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bhsmith352
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I am brand new at this, so forgive me if I say anything obviously dumb. I am looking to put an optic on a brand new FN SCAR 17. My budget is unlimited for the optic, because it's an investment. I want to buy the right optic the first time, and I'll never have to worry about it again.
I want something that I can take long-range courses with, but still shoot up close with fast. I was hoping for one in FFP where the reticle when 'zoomed out' will be illuminated bright and used as a fast aiming system, but when 'zoomed in' would expand into a useable mil-dot type reticle. Think "DMR" when you are thinking about this optic. I want it to be a fully capable rifle for 'normal' within 100 yard engagements, but also be able to set it on a sandbag and punch paper at 800 yards. Requirements: Budget- unlimited. Magnification range- the lowest end can't be any higher than 3.5 or so. Maybe 4. The high end of the range must be 10 or over. Higher is even better. So a 3-9 is no good, but a 2-12 would be great! A 5-25 is too high on the low end. It would be nice if it had a very large range, like the bushnell elete tactical 3.5-21. I want it to be useable in a closer quarters shot but still give me target ID and clarity at distance. Focal Plane- First Focal Plane Tube Diameter- I'm not super worked up about it. 30mm would be fine. Objective Size- Again, not super worried about it. Whatever size. Paralax- it would be great if it had a side-paralax adjusting knob. Illumination- Daylight visible illumination (very bright preffered). Reticle- when zoomed in, needs to have a good useable mil-dot reticle. I think something like this: http://i.imgur.com/vFPjK.png might be good as it gives a 'aiming dot' that's illuminated on low magnification and is a useable mil-based reticle on higher magnification. Turrets- I'd prefer something like the turrets in the bushnell elete tactical 3.5-21, where they are locked until you pull them up to adjust them. It will be used in the field, so free-turning turrets that can get bumped and turned while climbing fences, crossing creeks, and crawling are not good. Zero-stop would be nice. Adjustment Range- needs to have enough elevation adjustment to shoot out to 1000 without guessing and without putting on a 20 moa scope mount. Weight/Size- Obviously, smaller is preffered, given the same capabilities. This will be a carried rifle, so if I can avoid slapping on a 2 pound scope that would be great, but not the end of the world. Any suggestions that meet the criteria would be welcomed. Again, don't worry about price, just the best possible optic for this role. |
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bhsmith352
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also forgot that the adjustments need to be in mils, and be VERY repeatable and accurate. I want to set zero, do a box drill, have it be at zero, then crank it all the way to the extremes of the elevation and windage, then return it to zero and have the same point of impact.
Also, I forgot to mention this- it has to be rugged. Like, drop the rifle on accident while climbing over a creek and the optic bounces off a rock and falls in the water, and pick it up and drive on rugged. |
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http://swfa.com/Vortex-3-18x50-Razor-HD-Gen-II-34mm-Rifle-Scope-P67731.aspx
one of the heaviest scopes on the market but nearly perfect in every other way. I've seen these go on sale sometimes they can be had for 1000ish or less if your patient for sales |
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For up close, you should be looking at setting up a small red-dot at a 45 degree angle. It adds very little weight and extends your capability by a fair bit.
As far as magnified scopes go, the lightest high end scope that would work for you is Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44. It is the smallest of the bunch by a solid margin. I am currently working on an article with the following scopes, so I have had them side by side:
The Mark 6 I have here has the CMR-W reticle which some find too thick, but I like quite a bit. It also has the M5B2 turret, which I do not like a whole lot at all. The M5C2 turret I have seen was much better. With red dot sights, I like to use the really small ones for this, like the diminutive Meopta Meosight III or the new Leupold Deltapoint. I made a "poor man's 1x/10x" sight out of a SWFA SS 10x42HD and small red dot at a 45 deg offset and it works surprisingly well: The next heaviest scope in that table is Tangent Theta which is an exceptionally nice design and in many ways may be the one to beat, but the 30mm tube version has a dual turn reticle that gives you 12mrad total adjustment after zero. That is enough for my purposes, but YMMV. Lastly, the Nightforce ATACR F1 4-16x50 was made with accurate gas guns in mind and while heavier than the Leupold, it is compact and exceptionally well made with a good elevation turret that locks on zero. ILya |
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thanks all for the responses I'm really considering the tangent theta. I hadn't even heard of them before, but it looks perfect. The only other model I was going to ask about, that nobody seems to mention or talk about is the Trijicon TARS. Why is it that this optic seems to be banished from the long range shooting community?
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TARS is a nice scope, but it is expensive and weighs three pounds (quite literally three pounds). I have seen a few of these around and they seem good, but I do not think they stand out enough to penetrate the market.
They need to bribe their way into some military contract to make a splash. Without that, it is s tough sell at the price they want. ILya
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