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Buster95
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Posted: May/08/2018 at 18:59 |
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I don't have much experience with "tactical" scope. I'm interested in a SWFA SS scope but I would like to know which one between the SWFA SS 10x42 MOA-Quad, 1/4 MOA Clicks (Stock# SS10X42MOA) and the SWFA SS 10x42 Mil-Dot, 1/4 MOA Clicks (Stock# SS10X42) is a MOA/MOA scope?
Also, the SWFA SS 10x42 Mil-Quad, 1/10 MIL Clicks, 5 MIL Revolution (Stock# SS10X42MQ) is a MIL/MIL scope? Also, which one is the better choice between rear focus and side focus? |
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supertool73
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No one is better than the other, its just about your needs and uses. IMO getting one with turrets that match the reticle is a good idea. Mil/mil. Rear focus will save you $100 and works just as good.
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Skylar McMahon
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Stock number SS10X42MOA has a MOA-dot reticle with matching MOA turrets.
That's correct. This scope has a enhanced mil-dot reticle with matching MRAD adjustments.
User preference. Granted, the side focus has an tactical advantage. Meaning you are able to maintain a sight picture and then use your weak eye to determine the side focus value. Where with the rear focus, in order to determine the value, you have to exit your sight picture, silhouette yourself, looking on top of the scope. However overall, the functionality is the same.
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supertool73
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I seldom look at the parallax dials to focus the parallax. IMO looking through the scope and watching is the best way to get perfect focus as the numbers on the knobs are seldom accurate. If doing it that way, either side or rear works just fine. Regardless of which way in the end you have to look through the scope to get it perfect anyway, so I figure why bother even looking at the knob.
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Buster95
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Thanks for the replies
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tahqua
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Sorry about late to the party. I like mil/mil but i could deal with moa/moa quite easily. My SS scopes are all mil/mil and the learning curve was real short thanks to http://www.opticstalk.com/sighting-in-a-mil-mil-scope_topic32905.html
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GiantGreg
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MIl/MIl, not because its better, but because you will buy more scopes eventually and its best to learn one and master it. And not all companies use true MOA, some use inchs @100 and call it MOA, but its not the same, so you can have error in your dope and not realize if you think your shooting moa but your actually shooting inches.
Just go MIl MIL and be done. |
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BeltFed
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+1 on MIL/MIL.
I just find it easier to use. |
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Kickboxer
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I have no real "technical" preference of Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA, however MOA is my personal preference... and it irritates some people. In a pure tactical environment, I would go with Mil/Mil. I have an almost equivalent number of each format. My absolute best and most preferred scopes are Zeiss... my Hensoldt is as close to perfect as I can possibly imagine and it is mil/mil(actually mil/cm/100m but who's keeping score there). My USOptics is MOA/MOA and a joy to work with. I have a March 2-24 in MOA/MOA that, truth be known, I actually wish I had purchased in Mil/Mil format. Don't tell anybody.
FInd the format that suits YOU, go with it... Choose the format you like/want.
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GiantGreg
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Only reason I see to buy moa moa scope is if your shooting something like fclass where the target rings are moa based.
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Skylar McMahon
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There are some out there, whom cannot wrap their head around it. The idea that MRAD is metric, wether false notion or not is still there and the thought that since we are Americans and learned imperial measurements growing up and metric is totally alien. Like Ilya once said, with moderately retarded measurement it ultimately doesn't matter what one user opts to buy, and now I'm paraphrasing, as long as the turrets adjustment match that of the reticle in the scope you can use either. Personally, like you, I prefer MRAD to anything else. Simply because it is base10 scaling. To jump from dot to dot, equates to 10 clicks on your turret. So if I miss, I will use the reticle, count in the direction of which I missed and let's say its five mils. five times ten equals fifty. Then I will go to my turret, dial fifty clicks in the opposite direction and then shoot again. Immediately the point of impact will shift to correspond with the point of aim. Multiplying by ten is significantly faster to do in my head than quarters.
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tahqua
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For many hunters, it is easy for them to equate moa to linear since 1 moa equals 1.047 inch at 100 yards, double that for 200 yards and so on.
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GiantGreg
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Biggest problem I seen, and it's common is they round it to an inch. Which doesn't equate to much at 100-200 yards, but adding 4.7% error adds up when you get further out. People need to quit thinking in inches, and understand is an angular measurement. Don't correct dope by how many inches you think your off. Get matching reticle turrets, and use your reticle to correct. |
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tahqua
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This is the tactical scope forum and I fully understand. I am just being the devils advocate for the 200 yard hunters that just have to be tacticool for their optics. It is easier to set their 30.06 for two inches high at 100 yards if they just set the dials for 2 moa high.
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Doug
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Buster95
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For a .308 a 10X42 is enough or a 12X42, 16X42 or a 20X42 is a better choice, if I'm right lower the magnification better is the image quality?
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billyburl2
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I would stick with either the 10x, or 12x. Higher magnification fixed power scopes imho are strictly for square ranges. The confined field of view makes targets harder to find! Plus they usually have a picky eye box, that make cheek weld much more critical.
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