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gfaith69
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Posted: June/17/2018 at 21:31 |
Does anyone know why its so hard to find a good fixed 10x power mil dot scope? Looking for a good scope with MRAD turrets that can be zeroed and really don't need a lighted reticle. Im still kinda new to scopes but this is what Im looking for. I know I can get a SWFA but I wouldn't mind if I spent twice as much as a SWFA as long as it had good turrets that will hold zero and good glass. A buddy of mine had a IOR Valdada fixed 10x a few years ago but I guess They don't make it anymore in fixed power. I know I can get variable scope and just leave it on 10x but that to me is wasted money. When The same money can go into a fixed scope and get better glass a turrets. And not all the crap it takes to make a variable scope. Any thoughts or ideas? How about a good place to look? Yes Ive tried competitor and mid way usa. Thank You for your time and help. |
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sucker76
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I'm a big fan of my SWFA 10x. You can get 3rd party zero stop shims too.
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koshkin
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Have you been watching Tibosaurus Rex videos on Youtube? These days, whenever I get a question from someone looking for a fixed 10x, that is usually inspired by his videos.
Be that as it may, while there aren't all that many fixed power 10x scopes out there, there are still a few: Good ones start with a $300 SWFA Classic. Next step up is the SWFA SSHD 10x42 which features improved turrets and optics. If you want something better than that, there is always S&B PMII. It is very expensive, but it is probably the finest 10x scopes out there. There are still a few 10x42 and 10x56 IORs out there. 10x42 is a decent scope but you have to be careful since many of those have mismatched turrets. 10x56 is a turd. Sightron made a 10x42 S3 for a while, but the only ones I have seen lately also had mismatched turrets. A pretty good scope otherwise. If you are looking for one with a christmas tree style reticle, I think MTC Viper Pro 10x44 is your only viable option. I have not done a full test on this on yet, but it seems like a respectable design. ILya
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Kickboxer
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I have used the SS 10x Classic, have a SS10xHD. The 10xHD is the scope I currently use on my "Yuma rifle"... Ruger American with upgraded stock (it REALLY needed that), extended bolt handle, Timney 1.5lb tactical trigger. I have access to a 1000 yard range and it is excellent for that. Great glass and excellent mechanicals. Like ILya said, if you don't mind going high dollar, the S&B is the crème de la crème, but the 10xHD is more than adequate.
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Rancid Coolaid
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When you say the SWFA, I would guess you are referring to the $300 Classic. If so, the 10X HD is what you want. I own both, have used both quite a bit, and the HD is worth the difference and more. The turrets are much improved and the glass is appreciably better (though I always thought the 10X classic glass was exceptional for the price.) On IOR used, be wary: they range from great to horrible in terms of support. I stopped buying a few years ago when support was just south of terrible. If you buy a used 10X IOR (which I had, I think it was the 10x50 - and liked), we aware you might be buying someone else's headache. And if the 10X HD isn't quite enough scope, the S&B will surely not disappoint.
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In quite possibly the biggest piece of optics overkill I have ever witnessed, I know a chap who has one of these on his .22lr bolt action (And I've got a 4x32 diatal on a sub 12ftlb air rifle...) However, the S&B 10x42 is AWESOME!
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gfaith69
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Thank you for all your help. Like I said before Im still new to the so called long range or tactical scopes. So for me a fixed power that I don't have to worry about range corrections because I have it on the wrong setting or other factors would be much easier. Im not saying that the SWFA is bad because I have no idea if it is or not. The S&B isn't even close to my price range even to try. But Im just looking for my options. And what I can find online witch isn't much. Im really just looking for a good scope for some precision type shooting at the range. To try and get 5 rounds in the same hole. And also a little hunting from time to time. But I believe in buying "The Best" that I can afford only once instead of getting 2 or 3 that arnt that good or wont work for me. Thank you all again |
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koshkin
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If you do not want to worry about range corrections, you simply need a FFP variable. The reticle in FFP scopes is always the same size with respect to the target. Or you can go fixed, of course.
Perhaps we should start over: what is your application and how much do you want to spend? ILya
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Rancid Coolaid
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For bench shooting, for groups or punching reactive targets, a good 10X is all you need. You won't be adjusting fire on the reticle, probably. A fixed 10X isn't great for hunting. Prioritize what you want to do, then go from there. Be aware that just because military and/or LE were using a fixed 10X 20 years ago does not mean it is the best choice for anything today. I've run fixed and variables, and everything I own now - with the exception of a few fixed 4X or 6X on specialty guns - is variable. If this is your introduction to shooting scoped guns, get the $300 SWFA to learn on, then upgrade later when you know exactly what you need to do differently. Selling the SS 10X will be easy, and you will recover most of your investment.
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gfaith69
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Koshkin yes I know about the ffp, but for me in my area Im going to have to buy on line. Unless I want to drive 2-2 1/2 hrs one way to find a good shop that carries a variety of scopes to look at. When I go to a website and look at the specs. I don't see anywhere on them if they are ffp or sfp. Along with if they are moa or mrad. Or any other options. Just the basic info. So with all that being said. Im still learning, Reading, listening, and studding. This will be going on a 308 bolt. and I would say my max price would be 650.00. Ive always have be told to spend as much on you scope as you do your gun. Weather that's actually true or not I don't know. But that's what im going by.
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gfaith69
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Ok this is the deal. why im getting into the long range shooting. Here locally some of the guys get together for shooting competitions. Not sanctioned or anything that I know of. But the basics are. You have 4 targets marked 1 - 4 ranging anywhere from 100 to 525 yards With no marking on the range. The range is 550 yards long and about 200 yards wide. Its a bare field with no land marks. You must engage targets in order 1-4 no matter where they are on the range. For example target 1 is at 475 yards target 2 is at 125 yards target 3 is at 300 yards and target 4 is at 230. The only thing known is the target size. 4'x4' with rings inside that are numbered 1 thru 5. 5 being a 4" { I think } bulls eye. A non shooter {ME} or someone who has gotten knocked out of the completion is in charge of target placement. Get on a 4 wheeler. Pick them up and put them where ever you want. The shooter then has 2 minutes to make as many shots as they can and try to get the highest score. After each round the lowest point shooter is out and the targets are moved again. So that's why I thought a fixed power would be best for me. Don't have a lot of time to figure the calculations or type them in. But just use the mil dots to figure it out. Let me know what you all think and what might be my best solution. |
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koshkin
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OK.
If I were you, I would get this scope: It is a FFP variable, so you do not need to worry about what magnification you are on. Adjust magnification to whatever look appeals to you and go for it. The math is the same regardless of what magnification you are at. It is priced about right for you and it is a very robust design with a very usable magnification range. If you are new to scopes, go through this when you have time: I'll update it at some point, but it still gives you good background info. ILya
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SageRatSafaris
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If a scope is FFP, the description will definitely and prominently say so. If it says nothing about focal plane, it is safe to assume it is SFP. Put another way, assume scopes are SFP unless they say they are FFP. On swfa.com (and other scope seller websites), there's usually a table of specifications for each scope. For MOA/MRAD, check the "click value" specification. MOA scopes will have 1/4 MOA clicks (sometimes 1/8 MOA). MRAD scopes will have 1/10 MRAD clicks. If a scope has subtension markings in the reticle, chances are excellent that the markings match the turrets. 10 years ago, it was more common to find mil reticles with moa turrets, but today nearly everyone has stopped making mixed moa/mil scopes. Here's a list of every single FFP scope with at least 14X and at least 60 MOA of total elevation range: |
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billyburl2
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I think a fixed 10x would be great for that game. The only exception is going too bee the fixed field of view as well. I find myself turning down my scopes more often, for wider field of view.
In an open field this wouldn't be a huge issue. But with a maximum of 500 yards, even a 6x scope is very capable. A ffp variable will always be better, but both the classic and the hd model of the SS10x will do well. |
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SWFA SS HD 10x42 Tactical 30mm RiflescopeMil-Quad, 1/10 MIL Clicks, Rear Focus, HD ModelStock# SSHD10X42MQ $799.95More than your stated top dollar. |
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Love that mil-quad reticle, very easy to work with.
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