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Rancid Coolaid
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Bolthunter, I am trying to give you a chance, but it isn't going well so far. Your singular example - in a conversation about color case hardened 1911s - is a guy that doesn't do 1911 color case hardening? He has no pictures of 1911s, he has no pricing for 1911s, and that is your example? Comparing to a shop known the world over for their 1911 work. In a conversation specifically about 1911s. I can do a web search, I'm all good there; but you made blanket and definitive statements that now seem to be ill informed or poorly composed. I am genuinely looking for someone that does Turnbull-quality work for a better price, and you claimed to have that information - but have thus far withheld it. I don't think the point needs to be continued, you've been asked a few times and offered nothing of consequence, I'll now seek answers elsewhere. So...back to the topic at hand: I will own a color case hardened 1911. |
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Bolthunter
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OK reading and understanding of text is a requirement of basic education. Dan will color case harden anything you wish. Just because Turnbull shows no examples of let’s say a Holland and Holland Dominion grade does not mean he would not perform such services for this firearm. This is getting ridiculous. Again, I am sorry for the semantics and banter. I take full responsibility.
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Bolthunter
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Consider Timberluxe, Wyoming Armory, Cheshire Gunroom, Jesse Smith and multiple others for restoration and case coloring. That being said I cannot begin to enumerate the number of custom guns and restorations that I have personally handled. If you are serious about restoration peruse any issue of the Double Gun and Single Shot Journal for those that offer professional restoration services. These can be found in the articles and list of advertisers. To rely completely on the well known reputation of Turnbull is well meaning but irresponsible as in any industry there is fierce competition.
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tahqua
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Because of this thread I have looked on the web at many examples. I would never have case coloring done to my remaining 1911. But, they sure make for a fine looking auto.
So, would case coloring hold up to holster wear?
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supertool73
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Its pretty and ugly all at the same time. |
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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tahqua
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I think that one looks fantastic. I like it far better than ones with engraving.
To heck with that metal checkering on a shooter.
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supertool73
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Rancid you could get one of your beloved Glocks case colored. |
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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tahqua
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Flipping gross!
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RifleDude
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The case hardening part holds up, but the colors that the process imparts onto the surface doesn’t go very deep and isn't very wear resistant at all. For this reason, it’s best used on parts that won’t get a lot of abrasive wear. Holsters are very hard on the case colors. This is one reason that Turnbull sprays a protective clear coat over their case color work, the other reason being that the clear coat makes the colors more vivid looking. |
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RifleDude
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One thing that is very important to consider with color case hardening... there seems to be a belief that you can do the process on just any ol' steel, and this isn't the case.
Color case hardening, as its name indicates, is a heat treat process, a more traditional form of case-hardening that uses natural organic sources of carbon for carburizing the skin of the part such as bone, wood charcoal, and leather. Modern methods use carburizing compounds that produce more of a gray colored surface. This process is done to create a hard outer "skin" or "case" for surface wear resistance while maintaining a softer, ductile core for toughness. Mild, low carbon steels are best for color case hardening/ modern case hardening because they can diffuse additional carbon into the surface without becoming too brittle. If you try to color case harden a modern chrome moly steel that has already been hardened, such as 4140 quenched and tempered, you run the risk of destroying the temper, making the part excessively brittle, and cause warpage and/or cracking. This is why companies who do color case hardening will not do it to some modern guns, and why the process was used a lot on antique guns that used mild steels. You run the same risks of brittleness and warping with parts that have very thin cross sections. You can still color caseharden a modern chrome moly steel, but you have to really know what you're doing and tightly control the process to avoid destroying the part's mechanical properties, and the part geometry has to be carefully considered, with thin cross sections to be avoided. Many of the modern firearms that have a "case color" finish (some Ruger Vaquero revolvers, for example) are not "real" color casehardened but instead are simulated finishes done chemically.
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Ted
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Rancid Coolaid
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My eventual heirloom piece will be color case hardened frame and a dep blue slide (I know there are differences in bluing process and result, I will be going for what looks best, as it will not be a shooter, but a looker. I have plenty of shooters.) I actually asked Turnbull a few years back if they would color case harden a HiPower frame, and they said no. I have a blued Novak HiPower that is freak'in artwork, but the frame isn't built like a 1911, so they said no go. On color case hardening a Glock: lipstick on a pig. Blasphemy! But such is the nature of freedom. And I have seen a few color case hardened 1911s that were daily carry guns, they were much more case hardened than "color" after awhile. As said above, the color doesn't go deep, and it wears pretty quickly in a holster. Color case harden a Glock, damn man, now I need some brain bleach, that's just wrong!
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