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I see I haven't posted here since I've shot the manual safety P365, so here goes.
The P365 came with 2 10 round mags, and I picked up a new Sig 12 round mag as well. All 3 mags have different bases, with one 10 rounder having no hook at the base to support the little finger, something I don't need. The other 10 and 12 round mags have the supports for the little finger with the 12 rounder being slightly longer than the 10 round mag. Since the P365 is replacing the PPK/s and will be an off duty/backup weapon, the 15 round magazine isn't needed right now.

I shot the P365 at reduced size steel torso targets from about 15 and 20 yards. I was standing in the shade and a thunderstorm was rolling in, so the light wasn't great. I also only shot 32 rounds from the 3 fully loaded mags because of the storm.

I was afraid that when I fired the pistol with 115gr. fmj Federal 9mm it may be a little snappy, uncomfortable, and a little uncontrollable. To my pleasant surprise, it was as comfortable if not more so than the PPK/s was. Not having to worry about shooting an uncomfortable pistol made it easy to make hits on my 2 targets. So easy that I tried to hit my steel target at 60yds with a round or two. I might need a little more practice to pull that one off. I was able to make head shots on my 15 and 20yd targets though. So far from what I can tell, this is an accurate little pistol for it's purpose. It beats a snub nose .38 in my opinion.

The safety was easy enough to operate, and the mag release was too. Again, for what this pistol is, the controls are reasonably easy to use. I have no complaints about the sights; they were easy to pick up and use. If I had any complaint about this pistol, it would be loading the magazines. They were like loading the last 2 rounds in a new Glock magazine for almost every round, and I had just loaded 3 new Glock magazines 3 times each. Maybe my thumb was just sore and tired, but the P365 mags weren't easy to load.

Overall I REALLY like the P365. It's not a duty pistol, but it is a great off duty/backup pistol. It's a great replacement for the pistol I carried for over 40 years for the same job.
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Yeah, I didn’t want to pick up a 15 round mag due to length. Mine came with the 12-rounder as well as 2 10s, with the same base plate difference Lynn mentioned above. I don’t want the grip to protrude any more than the 12- round mag provides and I feel 12+1 with an additional 10 on hand is plenty for carry. 
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The mags are indeed not pleasant to load, and they seem to stay that way, or mine has. There is good and bad in that: they don't take much of a "set", as some springs do; but they don't get easier to load either.

This is not a "fun at the range" gun anyway, so I am good with very reliable mags.

I'll get a few 15s to keep in car and vest, but yea, if I need a service weapon, this ain't it, but it'll do in a pinch.
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Took the P365 on its maiden range session today, along with my PPQ. Put 100 rounds through each. I was very surprised at how well I was able to shoot the little P365! It was far more controllable than I expected, and I was able to shoot it as “flat” as the PPQ. The 12 round mag certainly helps in that regard by providing more real estate for my hands. 

I had no malfunctions/stoppages of any kind. Groups out of the P365 were only about 20% larger than the PPQ, a gun I have about 3000 rounds through and just feels right to me. Considering how tiny the P365 is compared to the PPQ and the fact this was my first range session with it, I’m ecstatic over how well it shoots! Setting it side by side with my other pistolas, I’m still stunned by its mag capacity:size ratio! Even with the 12 rd mag, it’s smaller than all but 2 or 3 single stack micro nines I’m aware of. Because of this, I will most likely carry it in 12+1 config if it continues to perform as it did today.

I tried to come up with something to criticize about the P365, and the only real criticism I can come up with is the last 2 rounds are tough to load into the magazine, especially that final round. In fact, thumb soreness was what limited today’s round count to 100. 

So far so good!
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Mine is still going strong, no issues yet. I like mine quite a bit.

As for the others, the M17 and the Xfive, they are also fun to shoot. I gotta say, for plinking, the Xfive is my favorite gun to shoot: plenty of ammo, super-fine aiming point with the green fiber optic, great ergonomics, entirely usable trigger, and it now wears an RMS and is very quick on target.

Sig does indeed mess up at times, but I do not count MY new guns among those mess-ups. Had I bought a gen1 365 and had a firing pin breakage, I would definitely be singing a very different tune.
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I have mixed feelings toward Sig as a company. On the one hand, I've always been a fan of their products, having owned a P229 and P239 for a long time, and more recently bought one of their suppressors, and now the P365. On the other hand, I really lost a lot of respect for them based on their recent attitude toward well-known design issues they've had that they chose to "sweep under the rug" rather than acknowledge and address in a responsible manner.

I don't fault them for design flaws and mistakes. Most companies who manufacture anything with any mechanical complexity in sufficiently large volume will make them sooner or later. It's how you handle your mistakes and your attitude toward your customers that matters.

Sig's behavior during the P320/M17 drop safety fiasco was simply inexcusable. If the same had happened with, say, Ruger, they would have immediately owned up to the mistake, done a mandatory recall by advertising in all firearms media telling their customers that the design is unsafe without the recall parts installed, and promptly replaced the parts. Ruger and other responsible firearms manufacturers go above and beyond in their concern for their customers' safety. Not Sig. To this day, they steadfastly maintain that the original design is still "safe," that the consumer should just be diligent in making sure he doesn't drop the gun, and called the remedy to the problem a "voluntary upgrade." They described the problem as "minimal" in frequency and said "these incidents occurred in conditions that appear to be outside of normal testing protocols." Rather than admit that the purpose of the "upgraded trigger" was to reduce mass so that trigger inertia could not cause the pistol to fire when dropped on the rear of the slide, Sig chose to explain the new trigger thusly: "the new trigger for the P320 pistol will feature a thinner profile and reduced mass. This is expected to improve the trigger-pull experience." Rather than admit the addition of a trigger bar disconnector was done to enhance drop safety, they chose to describe that addition thusly: "the updated slide will feature a disconnect notch near the striker assembly. This is a mechanical improvement over the previous commercial series of P320 pistols. These changes are expected to refine functionality for the pistol and improve both its ergonomics and performance." Wow!

See the Q&A from their website today, where they still deflect responsibility for a potentially dangerous condition with very carefully worded language:


As it pertains to the P365, they never publicly acknowledged the design flaws in the original gen that led to firing pin breakage, taking the same "nothing to see here folks" attitude they did with the P320 drop safety issue. Yet they tacitly admitted there was a problem by quietly redesigning the striker with a larger radius at the base of the firing pin protrusion...



When anyone sent in a first gen P365 for service, they installed the new striker on the bottom whether it needed replacement or not, without telling the customer it's a new design. This way, they avoid having to admit they made a mistake. Just another "upgrade" that they're providing the customer out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sig offers great products once the bugs are all worked out. Again, I don't fault Sig for making mistakes, and I feel that occasional mistakes are just part of the design process when offering something new and entirely different from previous designs. I'm a fan of many of Sig's products. So far, I really love the current P365 and hope it continues to love me back over the long haul. I would have bought a P365 much sooner had it not been for the cavalier attitude Sig has shown toward their loyal customers for their mistakes, as I believe the design to be a true game changer. It's hard to ignore a 12+1 capacity gun, with a good trigger, great OEM sights, good ergonomics, that shoots great, AND still manages to be a bit smaller than a G43! Still, Sig Sauer as a company entity needs to take a few lessons in humility and corporate ethics from competitors like Ruger.
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I agree they handle it in terrible ways, no question. I take issue with Trijicon for similar reasons, the primary difference being people generally cannot be killed by their product flaws.

Sig makes some awesome stuff, and doesn't like to talk about it when they do not.

The current gen 365 is a good one, and I carry it due to the thing, not the company or their many failures.
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Gee Ted, I hate it when you hold your feelings back.

Now I'm not giving Sig a pass over these issues, but they are certainly not the only well known and respected firearms company to do the same thing they did. Ever wonder why Smith&Wesson has a Model 66, a model 66-2, a 66-3, etc.. If you asked S&W back in the day, they would tell you they were manufacturing improvements, and not tell you they were changes made as a result of a law suit or design defects discovered by police departments. I had to remove a bunch of trigger stops from S&W revolvers, as directed by S&W because they lost a law suit, but the order was only for LE revolvers. I had to find out from the FBI that the Mod. 66 I was carrying could lock up if I fired to many .357 magnums in a short period of time, and the dash 2 had a heat shield that would prevent that. Never saw any kind of notice from S&W about that, but there was a 66-2.
These are just a few examples from one company, so it's not uncommon, and I loved S&W (not so much now).
The other thing you have to consider, Sig is a German company, and Germans are never wrong, they are just not done making improvements yet.

Anyway, I got a chance to shoot the 365 some more over the weekend, and I am really liking this little pistol more and more.
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Glad to hear. I saw the XL came out, might have to handle one and see if it is needed.

In the heat of summer, the 365 is usually very close by me, it has yet to suffer any manner of failure.
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