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    Posted: April/10/2019 at 08:17
Hello.
Help to make a choice. Opt for an optical sight for paper / sport. Currently available:

NjghtForce NXS 5.5-22, MLR no zerostop

Vortex Razor HD 5-20 EBR-2B Mrad turrets

Leupold Mark 4 8.5-25, TMR

It is supposed to shoot up to 1500m. Interested in the quality of the glass, the reliability and accuracy of the turrets... Rifle cal. 338lm.

Vortex likes FFP and a reticle of sight, NightForce for its reliability and trouble-free work, Leupold for the price :)

Sorry for the mistakes, English is not my native language.

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I could be wrong, but I think all NSX scopes are second focal plane, are they not? Or is it an ATACR rather than NSX?

I don't recommend Leupold scopes, so won't start now.

On the Vortex, that is an older model, it had some issues, but might be worth consideration if the price is right..

Given the platform and which scopes are prone to dying, I'd look at the Nightforce hard and maybe fall back to the Vortex. Vortex has a great warranty, but the gen1 HDs have been replaced with a far superior gen2.
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The Nightforce ATACR are 4-16, 5-25, or 7-35 magnfication.  The 5-25 ATACR could be first or second focal plane, and would have zero stop.  The only first focal plane Nightforce NXS scopes that I am aware of are 3.5-15.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I could be wrong, but I think all NSX scopes are second focal plane, are they not? Or is it an ATACR rather than NSX?

I don't recommend Leupold scopes, so won't start now.

On the Vortex, that is an older model, it had some issues, but might be worth consideration if the price is right..

Given the platform and which scopes are prone to dying, I'd look at the Nightforce hard and maybe fall back to the Vortex. Vortex has a great warranty, but the gen1 HDs have been replaced with a far superior gen2.
 


Exactly. NSX, second focal plane... This makes me look in the direction of Vortex.

With a warranty, alas, everything is not very uniform, in view of the sanctions and importation of optics by the smuggling :)
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At prices, here in Russia:

NightForce ATACR, new ~ 3000$, used ~ 2500$
NightForce NSX, new ~ 2100-2300$, used ~ 1700$
Vortex Razor HD gen1, new ~ 1600-1700$, used 1400$ GEN 2 ~ 2100-2200$
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Originally posted by EC8OR EC8OR wrote:

At prices, here in Russia:

NightForce ATACR, new ~ 3000$, used ~ 2500$
NightForce NSX, new ~ 2100-2300$, used ~ 1700$
Vortex Razor HD gen1, new ~ 1600-1700$, used 1400$ GEN 2 ~ 2100-2200$

Я бы на вашем месте купил Вортекс второго поколения, особенно если учитывать стоимость.

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So, Vortex it is
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by EC8OR EC8OR wrote:

At prices, here in Russia:

NightForce ATACR, new ~ 3000$, used ~ 2500$
NightForce NSX, new ~ 2100-2300$, used ~ 1700$
Vortex Razor HD gen1, new ~ 1600-1700$, used 1400$ GEN 2 ~ 2100-2200$

Я бы на вашем месте купил Вортекс второго поколения, особенно если учитывать стоимость.

Илья

I concur. Simply because your suggestion is so feature rich and for the amount of the others, even used, this suggestion could be had, new...for less money. 

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Я бы на вашем месте купил Вортекс второго поколения, особенно если учитывать стоимость.
Илья
 
Здравствуйте!
Как я понял, русский Вам не чужд))
 
Я понимаю, что ген2 это следующая ступень развития. И он лучше. Но разница в 500$, по крайней мере для меня, весьма существенна. Неужели ген 1 настолько плох, что и не стоит на него смотреть?
£ многих моих коллег Viper PST gen2 и они ими весьма довольны, я полагал что Razor Gen1 несколько лучше, чем Viper PST gen2...
 
На всякий случай переведу свой пост на английский, для других участников :) 
 
In English:
I understand that gene2 is the next stage of development. And he is better. But the difference of $ 500, at least for me, is quite significant. Is gene 1 so bad that you shouldn't look at it?

Many of my colleagues at Viper PST gen2 and they are very pleased with them, I thought that the Razor Gen1 is somewhat better than the Viper PST gen2 ...
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Originally posted by EC8OR EC8OR wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Я бы на вашем месте купил Вортекс второго поколения, особенно если учитывать стоимость.
Илья
 
Здравствуйте!
Как я понял, русский Вам не чужд))
 
Я понимаю, что ген2 это следующая ступень развития. И он лучше. Но разница в 500$, по крайней мере для меня, весьма существенна. Неужели ген 1 настолько плох, что и не стоит на него смотреть?
�£ многих моих коллег Viper PST gen2 и они ими весьма довольны, я полагал что Razor Gen1 несколько лучше, чем Viper PST gen2...
 
На всякий случай переведу свой пост на английский, для других участников :) 
 
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I understand that gene2 is the next stage of development. And he is better. But the difference of $ 500, at least for me, is quite significant. Is gene 1 so bad that you shouldn't look at it?

Many of my colleagues at Viper PST gen2 and they are very pleased with them, I thought that the Razor Gen1 is somewhat better than the Viper PST gen2 ...

You're right about Ilya having a native tongue. 

One of the issues that I have with the first gen Razor is; 35mm, Very few manufactures offer 35mm rings and often times they will be very expensive rings in order to attach it to your rifle. 

The PST like Ilya reference is 30mm. Much more common and as a result of that, much less expensive. 
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Originally posted by EC8OR EC8OR wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Я бы на вашем месте купил Вортекс второго поколения, особенно если учитывать стоимость.
Илья
 
Здравствуйте!
Как я понял, русский Вам не чужд))
 
Я понимаю, что ген2 это следующая ступень развития. И он лучше. Но разница в 500$, по крайней мере для меня, весьма существенна. Неужели ген 1 настолько плох, что и не стоит на него смотреть?
�£ многих моих коллег Viper PST gen2 и они ими весьма довольны, я полагал что Razor Gen1 несколько лучше, чем Viper PST gen2...
 
На всякий случай переведу свой пост на английский, для других участников :) 
 
In English:
I understand that gene2 is the next stage of development. And he is better. But the difference of $ 500, at least for me, is quite significant. Is gene 1 so bad that you shouldn't look at it?

Many of my colleagues at Viper PST gen2 and they are very pleased with them, I thought that the Razor Gen1 is somewhat better than the Viper PST gen2 ...

I am now on my work computer which does not have a russian keyboard, so I'll reply in English.

Gen 1 Razor is a very nice scope and if that is how much you are willing to spend, it will work very well for you.  Gen 2 is, however, better in every way.  You have to decide how much money you are willing to spend.  If you are also looking the the more expensive Nightforce, get the Razor Gen 2. 

If the purpose is to get the most bang for the buck, Razor Gen 1 is a very good option.

PST Gen 2 is not too far off from Gen 1 Razor in terms of optical quality, but Razor is still a little better and a little more robust.

With PST Gen 1, I really like the 3-15x44 model.  5-25x50 is quite nice as well, but I would take Razor Gen 1 over that.

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Many thanks for the replies!
And can you tell in more detail what kind of problems gen1 had?
How critical is it?
 
NightForce NSX bribes with its reliability, resistance to impact, durability ... But it doesn’t like the reticle and SFP at all. I just want FFP. And Vortex is confused by its durability / reliability.
 
And how do they compare glasses (NSX/Gen1)?
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Razor Gen 1 is a better scope than the NSX in every way possible.  It was designed to be better than the NSX.

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There was an ocular redesign and retro-fit, if I recall correctly (if not, Koshkin, let me know) for the gen1 Razor.

Given the price difference, yea, I too would probably lean Vortex. I have no idea what warranty coverage would be like outside the US for either option, but both are robust.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

There was an ocular redesign and retro-fit, if I recall correctly (if not, Koshkin, let me know) for the gen1 Razor.

Given the price difference, yea, I too would probably lean Vortex. I have no idea what warranty coverage would be like outside the US for either option, but both are robust.

Correct, but if buying new, none of that matters.  There was first an ocular redesign.  Then the turrets went from 5 mrad per turn to 10 mrad per turn.

If you buy a 10 mrad per turn scope, everything else will be up to date.

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Hello!
Received Vortex Razor HD 5-20 EBR-2B!
I compare it with the already existing NightForce NXS 8-32x56 NP-R1
So! The Magnification on both sights is set at x20, the parallax is rebuilt! 150 meters. Both sights are aimed at the same object at one point! Look ... Comments, I think there are unnecessary, is not it?
Razor:

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I am not sure what conclusion you are trying to make, but I hope you like the scope.

In the picture through the Nightforce, the camera is slightly misaligned behind the scope and exposure setting is wrong.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I am not sure what conclusion you are trying to make, but I hope you like the scope.

In the picture through the Nightforce, the camera is slightly misaligned behind the scope and exposure setting is wrong.

Ilya

The camera of the phone does not convey the difference! When you look at both sights live, the difference is even more noticeable. What can I say ... The picture is clear in both cases. But in NightForce, as if the color rendition slider was turned down ... Like some kind of smoke. The image in Reisor is brighter and richer.

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that sounds about right. Original NXS scopes resolved well, but contrast was not great and color was muted.

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