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"All scopes have that" In regard to the distortion near min/max elevation travel. Hear we go again. Whacko
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Mine is unique… only one they ever built...


Apparently.

 I think I'm just going to send it back for a refund and keep the Kahles. The Hensoldt had veiling flare way beyond sunset looking in the general direction of west. I'm not sure the lens defects are the cause. Probably needs a 6" sunshade. My Razor Gen 2 had veiling flare as well. It was eliminated by going 10 feet into my house looking through the door at a target. I don't have that convenience of shielding the scope from the brighter sky out in the field. The Kahles has very little, surprisingly. 
 Oh well.
 
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Probably a good choice for you…

My experience is much different.
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There is a LOT in these blogs and the information is invaluable.  It will take some time to digest.
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The picture you've posted is scary! It looks as if my grandson did a dismantling job on it. I've looked through a ton if Henny's stuff never seen one I wasn't impressed with. That said, never say never I guess!
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I'm really confused with this post. If I received a scope with the lense in the condition you said and the pic you posted I'd immediately be sending it back for a new Hensoldt. I wouldn't continue to ask about distortion, flare, etc. because you're evaluation and testing would be flawed due to the condition of the optics.


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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

I'm really confused with this post. If I received a scope with the lense in the condition you said and the pic you posted I'd immediately be sending it back for a new Hensoldt. I wouldn't continue to ask about distortion, flare, etc. because you're evaluation and testing would be flawed due to the condition of the optics.




Tru dat, even if I bought a $100 scope that had spots on the internal lenses, that baby would be headed back for replacement. 
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I've decided to give the Hensoldt another chance. I asked for an exchange instead of the refund. I hope none of the issues I found are in the new one.
So, end the confusion. ;)
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Got my replacement. This one says Zeiss on the bottom of the eyepiece. The previous had Cassidian Optronics. Both Hensoldt on top.
 The distortion near min and max elevation is about the same as is the 6X distortion around the edges. It definitely needs a sunshade even with overcast about to downpour skies. A makeshift sunshade out of paper improved the image. Eliminated most of the haze.
 It might be a few days before I see sunshine for the final test.
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Originally posted by Scottyman Scottyman wrote:

Got my replacement. This one says Zeiss on the bottom of the eyepiece. The previous had Cassidian Optronics. Both Hensoldt on top.
 The distortion near min and max elevation is about the same as is the 6X distortion around the edges. It definitely needs a sunshade even with overcast about to downpour skies. A makeshift sunshade out of paper improved the image. Eliminated most of the haze.
 It might be a few days before I see sunshine for the final test.

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Are you serious? I have what to gain for lying? Loco I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
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Originally posted by Scottyman Scottyman wrote:

Are you serious? I have what to gain for lying? Loco I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
Everyone's eyes are different… I guess you could have that bad a reaction to Hensoldt.  However, your descriptions of what you are experiencing are outlandish, totally anathema to reaction of the MANY people I've had look through mine.  No, you cannot… even if you came here you could not… at best you could just be jinxed.

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If Kahles glass is as good or better than Hensoldt, you have the best Kahles yet made, or the worst Hensoldt, or both.

I own both, it ain't even close. For my 2, I should say.
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My 6-24x72 Henny has never shown any of the problems the gentleman with the smudged lenses listed. It quite simply is THE best passive Night Vision made.  To get better NV you need a scope that electronically enhances the image.  Over the last 20 years I've had a half-dozen Nighforces, five S&B 5-25x56 scopes, standard Zeiss scopes, IOR, and probably some others - The Henny so far has been the ONLY scope I didn't try to trade away or sell for another project.  I am going to will it to my daughter upon my passing.  She LOVES it!
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I´ve found a 2012 Zeiss Optronics / Hensoldt brochure on the net and wonder about elevation ranges: 

6-24x72 SFP: +- 100cm at 100m (=200cm total)
6-24x56 SFP: +- 80cm at 100m (=160cm total)

So far no surprise. 

Now in a 2012 presentation there is the 6-24x72 SAM listed as available with either SFP or FFP, but there is just a single value for elevation adjustment range: 

6-24x74: +-100cm at 100m (=200cm total, see above)

And here is the strange thing. In the same presentation there are also the 3-12x56 and 4-16x56 models, and they show a difference in adjustment range depending on FFP or SFP: 

3-12x56 SFP: +-200cm at 100m (=400cm total)
3-12x56 FFP: +-150cm at 100m (=300cm total)  (25% loss)

4-16x56 SFP: +-150cm at 100m (=300cm total)
4-16x56 FFP: +-112cm at 100m (=224cm total)  (24,6% loss)

Given that we seem to loose some elevation range by going for a FFP, I wonder what the reason for that is (asking for a technical explanation). 

I wonder if the 6-24x72 SAM will suffer from that as well, as only SFP elevation is shown. If the same principle applies, can we estimate that a FFP SAM would have around 25% loss as well, which means it will end up having around 150cm / +-75cm adjustment only ? 

I´m asking because I soon will get one and need to decide between SFP and FFP. I prefer FFP, but wasn´t aware of the reduced elevation range so far...



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  I looked through a Hensoldt 6-24x72 and it is probably the best I have seen. I have S&B,Zeiss, Swarovski,Leica,NF etc etc...
 After looking through it I ordered one.It should be here in about 3 weeks.
 Incidentally, on expensive optics I had to learn the hard way.Just save yourself the time and get yourself a Near Manufacturing Alpha mount. They never leave a mark on the scope and therefore save you money in the long run if you want to sell the optic. They are $325 Canadian dollars....
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Originally posted by canuck525 canuck525 wrote:

  I looked through a Hensoldt 6-24x72 and it is probably the best I have seen. I have S&B,Zeiss, Swarovski,Leica,NF etc etc...
 After looking through it I ordered one.It should be here in about 3 weeks.
 Incidentally, on expensive optics I had to learn the hard way.Just save yourself the time and get yourself a Near Manufacturing Alpha mount. They never leave a mark on the scope and therefore save you money in the long run if you want to sell the optic. They are $325 Canadian dollars....

I agree… the Near Alphamount is superior in every respect.  It supports all my highest quality scopes.
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