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I have this ongoing page on my website that I update once a year, usually toward the end of the year as I start planning out my SHOT Show schedule.

I just updated it for 2017:

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 pity no DELTA'S in there Wink 
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Well done Sir! Thank you. 
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Originally posted by verminator verminator wrote:

 pity no DELTA'S in there Wink 


I've never laid eyes on one, unfortunately.

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My (quick, unnecessary, possibly not insightful) thoughts:

1.  Tangent Theta is indeed an impressive scope.  Mine rides a Seekins 6.5CM and I am very, very pleased with it.  After some turret-spinning and use in low light, I like it even more.  It wore a clip-on in front a few weeks ago, that was a bit much, but very functional.

2.  Though I hate liking Glocks, the damned things just flat-out work.  I have a lone wolf-built 19 with RMR and it gets lots of use and abuse, great gun, especially behind night vision.                                             
3.  On the "kids go to college", I have exactly that setup and love it.  Mine is a Burris Fastfire3 rather than a doctor, but it is outstanding from point blank to about 500 yards.  That is the perfect fit for an SS3-9.

4.  The Vortex UH-1 is growing on me.  More to follow.

5.  I need to try a Shield RMS.  I have a few RMRs but hate dealing with Trijicon when they screw something up - which they often do, and almost never take responsibility for.


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I always refer to your DLOO Recommendations page when I'm in the market for a new scope and good to see the update.

New Grendel AR is needing a new scope.  For the interim, it will be a Steiner T5Xi 3-15x50 that currently sits on a 308 AR that has been relegated to the safe.  Burris XTR might be a good option but probably opt for their 3-15x model.
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ILya, What's the price range on the tangent Theta 3-15x50?
I've had the Vortex Razor 3-18X50 on my wish list for some time, but the price tag scares me.
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The Shield RMS looks like a great sight for a Glock. I need to carry mine in a Blackhawk thigh holster though, so no room for it.
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I'm not sure I understand the remark.  
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I would like the article weighted a bit more on the weapon system to which the optic is attached.  You do make mention of weapons, but don't go into reasons for choices.  As an example:

If I had to choose an all-around system ("you can only have one rifle"), I'd be hard pressed to do better than an 18-20" AR10 with a mid (2-10 or 3-15) optic and a red dot or holo on an offset.  My example would be a sig 716 with a 2.5-10x42 NF in an American Defense Recon mount.  The 308 hits much harder than 223 or similar, and my kill radius exceeds that of the 6.5Grendel group.  Granted, I have more weight (not much) and fewer rounds (not many) and that will be seen as a negative to some.  I am a precision fire guy, I am good with both for the significant increase in capabilities.

This would stand in stark contrast to prior years, when I said my one would be a 300WM bolt gun, suppressed, 22-24" barrel, topped with a 3-15 or 3-18 (Premier Heritage was my go-to prior to Tangent Theta.)  That gun is and will always be my first love, but inside 700 yards, it's just too much specialization.  Beyond 700, the Grendel and 223 and even 224 or 6.5 just can't hang in terms of capabilities.  Mine is heavier, slower rate of fire, more cumbersome: true; however, my precision trumps your mag capacity, my simplicity trumps your gun that breaks more, and my long range deployment capabilities will eat your 16" gasser's lunch - and take the milk money too, metaphorically speaking.




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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I would like the article weighted a bit more on the weapon system to which the optic is attached.  You do make mention of weapons, but don't go into reasons for choices.  As an example:

If I had to choose an all-around system ("you can only have one rifle"), I'd be hard pressed to do better than an 18-20" AR10 with a mid (2-10 or 3-15) optic and a red dot or holo on an offset.  My example would be a sig 716 with a 2.5-10x42 NF in an American Defense Recon mount.  The 308 hits much harder than 223 or similar, and my kill radius exceeds that of the 6.5Grendel group.  Granted, I have more weight (not much) and fewer rounds (not many) and that will be seen as a negative to some.  I am a precision fire guy, I am good with both for the significant increase in capabilities.

This would stand in stark contrast to prior years, when I said my one would be a 300WM bolt gun, suppressed, 22-24" barrel, topped with a 3-15 or 3-18 (Premier Heritage was my go-to prior to Tangent Theta.)  That gun is and will always be my first love, but inside 700 yards, it's just too much specialization.  Beyond 700, the Grendel and 223 and even 224 or 6.5 just can't hang in terms of capabilities.  Mine is heavier, slower rate of fire, more cumbersome: true; however, my precision trumps your mag capacity, my simplicity trumps your gun that breaks more, and my long range deployment capabilities will eat your 16" gasser's lunch - and take the milk money too, metaphorically speaking.





My thoughts on "if I could only have one" have changed over time.  NEMO Omen Recon suppressed with USOptics 3.2-17.  It just doesn't get any better. 
I'd still want the .458 Lott slung across my back...
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The weapons systems is a different article that I am working on.

That one is a bit more speculative since I am an optics expert, not necessarily a weapons expert.  However, I picked up a few things over the years, so I have my own very specific preferences.

One of those is a very strong preference toward small frame ARs and cartridges that fit in it, hence the Grendel as still being my choice for that.  In terms of energy delivered on target, once we get past 400 yards, it is gives up about 100 yards to the 308, i.e. at 800 yards it has about the same amount of energy as 308 at 900 yards (assuming we are talking about the same overall package length, i.e. a 16" 308 vs 17" Grendel).

For a general purpose rifle, anything that happens beyond 800 yards is not very critical to me.  I am not going up against a platoon of snipers.  However, up close and personal is important and shot-to-shot recovery with the Grendel is much closer to 5.56 than to 308, while terminal performance is closer to 308 than to 5.56.

I fully agree that if need to significantly extend the range, other calibers make more sense.  That comes down to everyone's definition of "general purpose".  I suspect yours and mine differ.

ILya


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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

The Shield RMS looks like a great sight for a Glock. I need to carry mine in a Blackhawk thigh holster though, so no room for it.

There is a picture in there with Shield RMS mounted on my Glock 43:


Here is my longslide 10mm milled for Doctersight III (iron sights are not here yet):


By the way, if anyone needs some custom milling done on their Glock slide, I know a guy.  The job he did on my long slide 10mm is just superb.

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I have a 18" Grendel setup.  It wears the 3-15 SS.  I really do like the 3-15 range for most things.

As for the handgun, I will take my 226 Sig over the glock.
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With handguns, it comes down to what you are used to the most.  While a little brand loyalty discussion is always fun, the biggest reason I shoot Glocks is that I learned to shoot with one.  

Aside from that, I like tinkering with guns and Glocks are far easier to work on than any other handgun I am aware of. 

As far as the Grendel goes, mine also has a 18" tube and it launches 123gr factory Hornady ammo right around 2550 fps.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I have a few RMRs but hate dealing with Trijicon when they screw something up - which they often do, and almost never take responsibility for.


Have you had RMR malfunction(s) RC? If so, what happened?
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Nice blog posts, Ilya. I’ve owned or used roughly half of the optics you cite, and it’s hard to disagree with your selections.
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Ted, I’ve had several issues with Trijicon over the years, almost every time they refused to stand by their product. I have not had issues with my RMRs but know several did early on, and Trijicon all but blew them off.

They support shooting sports, they support our military, I get all that. I just hate being the customer and being treated like the error is mine when it obviously is not.
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Not trying to bust your chops, bro, nor am I trying to defend Trijicon, but you just said they “often” screw stuff up and “almost never” take responsibility. Those words have specific meanings and most readers would conclude from that statement that you have a long history of experiencing both repeated Trijicon product failures and lack of support for same. As someone who owns 2 Accupoints, 1 Accupower, 3 RMRs, 1 MRO, 5 sets of pistol night sights, and have considered buying more in the future, this is info I can use.

Which and how many Trijicon products have you had go TU on you, and what was their response?

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I have not had a whole lot of issues with Trijicon stuff, but dealing with them has always been complicated.

There were just not responsive.

Most recent thing I find was the widely caring parallax error on the MRO. That's a QC issue and they are blissfully ignoring it.

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Is the MRO’s parallax error greater than the typical amount of parallax error common to most, if not all reflex dot sights?
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Seems to vary a lot between the ones I've seen, and on bad ones it is notably worse than I expect for this money.

I saw a report by someone on it a while back, so I looked in on it a little.

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Here is the write-up that prompted me to start looking at MRO parallax:

All red dot sights have parallax issues, especially the ones with larger window sizes (there are other factors as well).  That is one of the areas where holographic sights have an advantage "by design" so to speak.

Every year at SHOT I go and poke fun at Aimpoint people and their parallax claims.  However, Aimpoints are fairly consistent int hat regard, so I know what I am working with.  MRO does not seem to be.

Either way, I prefer Shield SIS to both of them.

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