Ilya, I'm Gonna Be In Trouble

.....If I do what I'm thinking about doing, and it's largely your fault BTW.  I hope you know, I always appreciate your expertise, whether I agree with it 100% or not.  In this case you have peaked my interest in the VX6, with, of all things, a 30mm tube.  Even if I "don't need" the bigger tube, I may wring one out shortly. 

In another thread you remarked about the glass.  After a little more research, you, once again, are right on.  The powers that be at Leupold tell me it's a step up from the VX7, which I do know first hand had fantastic glass.  It's supposedly overall a step up from the VX7 in every way, I was told. 
I was also told the one I'm looking at, the 2-12 x42 w/plex reticle, has a pop up CDS compatible dial built in.  Do you know if that's true? The pics show a standard screw on cover, but I"m told it's underneath there.  Another question......one site shows a 120 MOA adjustment range @ 100 yds, while the VX3 CDS has 58 MOA.  Does this sound right?  As I said, I don't think I'd ever come close to needing it, but is it there?

I hope you know, since this is mostly your fault, I'm going to have to eat some serious humble pie around here and tell everyone I was wrong and did indeed join the "dark side".  Thanks a lot ! 

JGRaider wrote: I'm going to have to eat some serious humble pie around here and tell everyone I was wrong

 

N i i c e 300.......I know Bitterroot, it's a bitter pill to swallow, and I haven't even bought the darn thing yet.  I may be already guilty for just thinking about it.  I gave my FX to a good kid down the street, and gave my coonass hunting buddy the Elite, so I need something else.......

JGRaider wrote: N i i c e 300.......I know Bitterroot, it's a bitter pill to swallow, and I haven't even bought the darn thing yet.  I may be already guilty for just thinking about it.  I gave my FX to a good kid down the street, and gave my coonass hunting buddy the Elite, so I need something else.......

JGRaider wrote: .....If I do what I'm thinking about doing, and it's largely your fault BTW.  I hope you know, I always appreciate your expertise, whether I agree with it 100% or not.  In this case you have peaked my interest in the VX6, with, of all things, a 30mm tube.  Even if I "don't need" the bigger tube, I may wring one out shortly.  In another thread you remarked about the glass.  After a little more research, you, once again, are right on.  The powers that be at Leupold tell me it's a step up from the VX7, which I do know first hand had fantastic glass.  It's supposedly overall a step up from the VX7 in every way, I was told.  I was also told the one I'm looking at, the 2-12 x42 w/plex reticle, has a pop up CDS compatible dial built in.  Do you know if that's true? The pics show a standard screw on cover, but I"m told it's underneath there.  Another question......one site shows a 120 MOA adjustment range @ 100 yds, while the VX3 CDS has 58 MOA.  Does this sound right?  As I said, I don't think I'd ever come close to needing it, but is it there? I hope you know, since this is mostly your fault, I'm going to have to eat some serious humble pie around here and tell everyone I was wrong and did indeed join the "dark side".  Thanks a lot !

ah, another satisfied customer!!

Not a problem.  I do it all the time. 

I think the illuminated long range duplex looks interesting in the 2-12. It should be great for coyote and fox. I was already on the dark side so it won't be a problem.

 

Bitterroot Bulls wrote:   I am interested to get your take on the VX-6, JG.   As far as tube size goes, that has got to be one of the silliest things to argue about either way, so the humble pie shouldn't be too bitter...   and if you need to give anything else away, throw me a PM, it is probably time you moved out of that Prominar.

It is so silly it's embarrassing to be honest.  My momma taught me better too.  

Do any of you guys know the answer to my CDS/VX6 question?  A couple of sites, Cabelas and Midway, lead me to believe it's already CDS compatible.  Other sites make no mention of it. 

Thanks for piling on pyro.......

Leupold says the VX-6 is good to go with CDS.

http://www.leupold.com/CDS/

Edited by Bitterroot Bulls - January/07/2012 at 12:25

The only thing I've seen is a promotion for free custom calibrated CDS dials for VX-3 and R scopes. Maybe that was extended to the VX-6. I am not a tactical scope user like some of our members.  But, those would seem to contradict the need for the long range duplex. Though, holdover reticles should be faster than dialing.

300S&W wrote:    HEY!  There's absolutely nothing wrong with a little Humble Pie.

tahqua wrote: The only thing I've seen is a promotion for free custom calibrated CDS dials for VX-3 and R scopes. Maybe that was extended to the VX-6. I am not a tactical scope user like some of our members.  But, those would seem to contradict the need for the long range duplex. Though, holdover reticles should be faster than dialing.

As Bitterroot says, the CDS offer now includes the VX6 as per their website.   I'm not the least bit a tactical guy. I've bee a MPBR guy for almost 40 yrs and it works well.  I did try a CDS VX3 last season, though, out of curiosity.  I couldn't find a good buck to shoot, but was amazed at how easy (no wind to speak of) it was to bust plate sized rocks out to 600 yards with a simple twist of that CDS.  I had a muley hunter this past Nov and we briefly looked at a double drop tined, 210" bruiser at app 435 yards.  He gave us about a 15 second window and I'm wondering if the hunter had a CDS, M1, etc dial if he would have been able to kill that buck.   As with most really big muley bucks, you only see them once, and that was the last we ever saw of him. 

I'm thinking have both the reticle and the dials.  Then, if time allows, dial.

thats what they pay me the big bucks for

tahqua wrote: I'm thinking have both the reticle and the dials.  Then, if time allows, dial.

JGRaider wrote: tahqua wrote: The only thing I've seen is a promotion for free custom calibrated CDS dials for VX-3 and R scopes. Maybe that was extended to the VX-6. I am not a tactical scope user like some of our members.  But, those would seem to contradict the need for the long range duplex. Though, holdover reticles should be faster than dialing. As Bitterroot says, the CDS offer now includes the VX6 as per their website.   I'm not the least bit a tactical guy. I've bee a MPBR guy for almost 40 yrs and it works well.  I did try a CDS VX3 last season, though, out of curiosity.  I couldn't find a good buck to shoot, but was amazed at how easy (no wind to speak of) it was to bust plate sized rocks out to 600 yards with a simple twist of that CDS.  I had a muley hunter this past Nov and we briefly looked at a double drop tined, 210" bruiser at app 435 yards.  He gave us about a 15 second window and I'm wondering if the hunter had a CDS, M1, etc dial if he would have been able to kill that buck.   As with most really big muley bucks, you only see them once, and that was the last we ever saw of him.

I'm anxious to take a look at these VX6's as well.  If the glass is really that good at those prices they may have gone from lagging behind to jumping back to the front of the pack with these scopes.  Fast focus eyepiece, fixed eye relief, etc, nice.

On the CDS's, I've been using BDC knobs of my own making for a long time and they really are nice for hunting and general use out to medium ranges.  It really is much faster to dial to the range than look up a number in a chart and dial that (most people wont memorize). 

While frowned upon by many, most of the reasons can be overcome by simply using your head and understanding their limitations (don't expect the dial made for zero elevation to work perfectly at extreme ranges at 9000 ft, etc,--have a separate dial made for each location).

The way I do it with mils/moa included on the turret with the yardage lets you have your cake and eat it too somewhat, but it really isn't needed for a specific hunt until you get to ranges far beyond "medium." 

The pop-up/locking layout is also a good compromise for hunting use if it works well.  I have no problem with exposed turrets if they're really stiff as they are on some tactical scopes, but when they turn too easily they become a liability.  Requiring them to pop up can work very well.
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Jon A wrote: I'm anxious to take a look at these VX6's as well.  If the glass is really that good at those prices they may have gone from lagging behind to jumping back to the front of the pack with these scopes.  Fast focus eyepiece, fixed eye relief, etc, nice. On the CDS's, I've been using BDC knobs of my own making for a long time and they really are nice for hunting and general use out to medium ranges.  It really is much faster to dial to the range than look up a number in a chart and dial that (most people wont memorize).  While frowned upon by many, most of the reasons can be overcome by simply using your head and understanding their limitations (don't expect the dial made for zero elevation to work perfectly at extreme ranges at 9000 ft, etc,--have a separate dial made for each location). The way I do it with mils/moa included on the turret with the yardage lets you have your cake and eat it too somewhat, but it really isn't needed for a specific hunt until you get to ranges far beyond "medium."  The pop-up/locking layout is also a good compromise for hunting use if it works well.  I have no problem with exposed turrets if they're really stiff as they are on some tactical scopes, but when they turn too easily they become a liability.  Requiring them to pop up can work very well. < ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">

Edited by rustic - January/07/2012 at 22:03

Good job, that's the way to do it.

Edited by Jon A - January/07/2012 at 18:13

Hey Jon A.....can you give me a short course on mils?  I totally understand the MOA adjustments, just not mils.  

JGRaider wrote: N i i c e 300.......I know Bitterroot, it's a bitter pill to swallow, and I haven't even bought the darn thing yet.  I may be already guilty for just thinking about it.  I gave my FX to a good kid down the street, and gave my coonass hunting buddy the Elite, so I need something else.......

Whoooooaaaa.......  If you're in the business of giving away good optics please put my name somewhere on the list.  I'll even make it easy on you and schedule fedex to stop and pick it up to make things easier on you.