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Excellent. Thunbs Up  I had a feeling that the FFII would do well and that the Nikon Prostaff wouldn't fair as well.

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Excellent, I  greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into this, what I liked best was that you chose winners and losers and explained why,  I expect that this review will be useful to many people, thank you again.
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Fantantic job Sir.  Thank You
 
It appears that the Barska SWAT scope was not your favorite, true?
 
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hmm imagine that the vortex scope won, i knew they made good stuff. thanks for the time and the awesome write ups as usual you do a great service to all of us.
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Good job on the review Excellent....I would be interested in how the buckmaster compares as mentioned at the end of the write up...
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Thanks for doing this.  I'll be interested to see how the Sightron and Redfield compare, if you get to it.
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awesome write up, would be very interested to see how the buckmaster fairs against the ff II and the diamondback
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Thank You very much.  The exact information I was looking for.
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I wish you had thrown in a Weaver Classic and compared it to the rest. Ive heard it is very good for the money.
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Thanks, Ilya.
Thanks, SWFA.
Wish Vortex (or Burris) would offer a heavy duplex on a few of their scopes.
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After reading your conclusions, it makes me think that companies that have everything riding on their reputation for sport/tactical optics will be a better bet. Nikon has a general reputation for high quality and innovative products (e.g. D90 camera). But perhaps a large company with its fingers in many pots (some of them vastly larger than others) just lets some product lines languish.
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i think the nikon buckmaster should have been tested it is in that price range
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Ilya,

 

Thanks for all your efforts with this project.  I've done a little of this myself and it is truly time consuming (but fun) and your work here is much appreciated.

 

To all,

 

Nikon is very capable of making some serious optics.  In addition to their DSLR cameras/lens they also make lithography equipment (and they are very competitive too) that is used by many wafer manufacturing companies.  I have no doubt they (and Canon too if they were so inclined) could make scopes that could rival some of the higher end companies (US Optics, Nightforce, Zeiss, Sawrovski) but I guess it all comes down to breaking into this market segma.

 

As far as Nikon's warranty, I had a 6.5-20x44 Monarch scope that threw a reticle and it was replaced with a 6-25x50 brand new, in the wrap, Monarch with no questions asked.  Thats as good as gets in my view.  I would hesitate buying a Nikon refurbed scope because it only has a 90 day warranty, after that, any repairs are on you but otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.

 

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Excellent

How refreshing to have a thorough review of so many products, by someone WITH experience, and WITHOUT an axe to grind!  

I hadn't thought that segmentation within the scope market would happen $25 increments.  I found it very interesting to see the "break" in performance levels at $175.00.  Naturally, I'm now really curious to see where the next plateau is:  $225?  $250? $300?   And of course that brings the question of, "what does another $25/$50/$100 get me over this level of scope?".  See what ingrates we are? You do all of this hard work, & we give you more questions than you gave us answers!

I'd also like to express thanks for including the Barska in the test.   With all the buzz about the amazing Chinese binos in the past year, I was eager to see if this scope could hang with the others.  I suppose I'm a bit surprised that it was never in the running.  I've never been inclined to look at one, but that's because I've looked through them & found them wanting.  Rather, I've considered the owners I've met, & determined there wasn't a whole lot of discernment involved when the scope was purchased.

Thanks Again,

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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

i think the nikon buckmaster should have been tested it is in that price range

The way the original comparison was set up, I was looking for scopes under $200.

Here is the thread with the original discussion:

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Originally posted by tjtjwdad tjtjwdad wrote:

Ilya,

 

Thanks for all your efforts with this project.  I've done a little of this myself and it is truly time consuming (but fun) and your work here is much appreciated.

 

To all,

 

Nikon is very capable of making some serious optics.  In addition to their DSLR cameras/lens they also make lithography equipment (and they are very competitive too) that is used by many wafer manufacturing companies.  I have no doubt they (and Canon too if they were so inclined) could make scopes that could rival some of the higher end companies (US Optics, Nightforce, Zeiss, Sawrovski) but I guess it all comes down to breaking into this market segma.

 

As far as Nikon's warranty, I had a 6.5-20x44 Monarch scope that threw a reticle and it was replaced with a 6-25x50 brand new, in the wrap, Monarch with no questions asked.  Thats as good as gets in my view.  I would hesitate buying a Nikon refurbed scope because it only has a 90 day warranty, after that, any repairs are on you but otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.

 

Jim 

Nikon is definitely capable of making some super glass and does offer it in many products.  I just happened to not like the ProStaff.  I suspect that Buckmaster would be veyr competitive with Fullfield II and Diamondback.

As a side note, Nikon's lithography business is not doing well.  At all.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

 

As a side note, Nikon's lithography business is not doing well.  At all.

ILya
 
In the semi conductor industry its pretty competitive among the tool suppliers.  I do see a lot of Nikon products but I see a lot of ASML too.  No Canon's here although they're also in that market. 
 
Thanks again for the report.
 
Jim
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ya a sightron s1 is 135 bucks and it would fare well with all of them
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why is this site so anti- nikon
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Far from anti Nikon, Nikon's have received many favorable reviews and comments here.  The only negative thing I've heard about Nikon is their C/S is so so.
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Awesome review ILya!!!

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Good review.  Thanks for the effort.

 
Curious why you left out the Weaver Classic?  Something with the scope or just had too many and needed to narrow it down?
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Originally posted by Idaho Scot Idaho Scot wrote:

Good review.  Thanks for the effort.

 
Curious why you left out the Weaver Classic?  Something with the scope or just had too many and needed to narrow it down?

Too many.  I ran a poll on which five "under $200" scopes were of most interest to forum members and compared those.

I linked that thread a few posts before this one.

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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

why is this site so anti- nikon

there are quite a few prominent members here who praise nikon highly. i am one of them, im not alone. they get a bad wrap from the cs dept.
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Thanks for the review ILya.
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