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    Posted: February/21/2011 at 08:54
Need some advice here.
The mk4 leupy 1-5x's
I don't really need illumination and feel its only one more thing to go wrong.

IS there any difference in the light gathering ability of the 30mm tube versus the 1"??

The m2 turrets seem good for correcting the spr marks.
I haven't seem the closed 1" tube turrets so I ask if they are re-settable?

Sort of a toss up.

I could swing to a SS 1-4 or viper PST or Burris XTR.

My veiw is for a subsonic and sonic round out to 325+ and the SPR gives me the distance with change of power with out knob turning.
20 mil instead of 5 mil.

Yep I maybe Loco
low power for a fast short work.
This is for hunting and range plinking.
Real hunting distance wouldn't be that far and no knob turning required.
prolly 150 - 200 tops with out a rangefinder.
Plenty far enough for us heathens
I hate those "ballistic never match stuff reticles 13.26 moa Loco  but could use one with a cheat sheet and enough time to get used to one.

Exposed turrets seem vunerable to me for the drop on the noggin and shearing of those 200 tpi threads or whatever they are in them.

Feel free to blaze away for a Whipser scope for a "short light  handy carrry rifle" and why.



Input and experiences  welcome
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After using the SS 1-4 for a  week almost, I'd have to say go that route, the illumination is one of the most thought out useful designs availible and the glass is superb.  I plan on adding one to a 16" bolt gun for pest control soon.
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Whats it look like in low light.
do you have to zoom down to 2x to be able to see anything??
I'm not talking black bulls on white paper either.

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At low light it is fine, under the full moon we have had this week i have been able to see critters over 100yds away and take shots with it on my 17hmr.
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Thanks I'll look into it more

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DOGMAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2011 at 11:57
I have a VXII 1-4 and love it. I was thinking the 30mm 1-5 would be great in low light!
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Thanks for the comments
I still think the 1"leupy  would be a good light scope for me  (9oz) but I tend to change loads and zeros quite alot.

I'm pretty well decided the 30mm 1-5x spr could be quite use full. (16 0z) a few moa up or down on one of the spr marks

SFP as if I got time to range and twist knobs then  I've  got time to screw up the magnification.

Will I loose much resolution and clarity with a  20mm lens??compare to a 32mm


Is the leupy m2 knobs on the leupy 30mm the 3  screw type adjustment for the turret or lift and drop down?
The viper vortex moa 1-4x (16 0z) closed turret seems an alternative option for me also.

This is for a stalking rifle and a bit of close up stuff in scrub gun type stuff.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tabeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/18/2011 at 09:49
Just me personally - but I generally find that the value proposition of the Leupold series is less than optimum.  but that is a personal preference.

You might consider - the SS offering (as was suggested above already).  Also the Weaver 1-5x24 which seems to have daylight illum and 30mm tube (although also appears to be moa turret on a semi-milling reticle).  And then the Vortex HD - which goes upscale on the $ side but begins to trail off on value - again - IMO.  And finally - if you want outstanding glass, and are less concerned with FFP,etc - the Swarovski z6i 1-6 is fabulous.  Last I looked, there was one listed in A condition on the Sample List.
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Well its time for the leupy bashers to give me a reason to go over to a pst or ss. the swaro just won't cut it for me in elevation and is way over my humble budget.

Pst $500
SS $800
Leupy $900
They are my upper limit.
I have waited for over a year for these to come on the market and have been saving my pennies.
I'd like to side by side review a review of these 3.
Any on the web I can veiw??
Haven't found much yet.

The SS with mils is a downer for me 'cos I work in the 'old money so as to speak and mtres and cm is all fine with a tape measure but not mean anything in this minds eye.

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A mil reticle or mil turrets have nothing to do with the metric system, unless that is the system you choose to use. A mil is a unit of measure. It subtends to 1/1000's of whatever is being measured...1m @1000m, 1yd @1000yd. This why it can be used as a range finding device. If we know the size of the target, and the size of our reticle, we can find the variable(distance to the target).
   If our turrets match the reticle, we can use the reticle to adjust the point of impact of rounds. This makes adjusting fire simpler and much faster, for me anyways.
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Late to the game, my $0.02.

My Whisper wears a 1-4SS and I couldn't be happier.  It wore a 2.5-10 for awhile but that was simply too much for the task the gun is called upon to complete.

I have not compared the Leopold to the SS directly, but have used both - and this is my opinion:
glass in the SS is appreciably better
turrets on the SS feel better to me, better spacing, better click feel
SS is cheaper

Add to that the illumination on the SS is great, the scope is very well built, and SS scopes don't tend to break as much as Leupold scopes do (some will argue the point - mostly people who possess safe queens.)

I haven't run the PST yet but hear the glass is comparable to the older Vortex optics - meaning it is decent but not nearly as good as the SS.

Whispers are fun but present a whole new set of challenges.  For those challenges, I find the SS 1-4X to be the best option.
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And there is nothing metric about mils.
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Can't seem to find the list of the thickness of the various parts of the retinal for the  SS 1-4x
Being so many threads and things.Whacko


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Not that it makes any difference - and not to be a nit picker - but the concept of a milliradian is very much related to the metric system.  Any quantum that is a base 10 decimal variant of a parent unit is a metric system.  Who cares - well, that is a good question. 

the main feature of the metric system is the use of a standard set of inter-related base units and a standard set of prefixes in powers of ten that could be used to derive larger and smaller units from the base units
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below is a good read about the mil system and how it is an angular measurement (same as MOA), for some ppl this may be beating a dead horse but hopefully someone finds it informative.
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My drop for my sub loads goes like this

yrds   MOA 
25      0
50     1.9
75     5.9
100   10.4
125    15.3
150    20.4
175    25.7
200    31.1
220     39
275     49

327     72

Playing with ballistic tables I can't seem  to get any easy drops to remember in easy spacings with MIL  like  MOA

Maybe I should look at the viper vortex more closely with the 30 MOA retical + 110 moa to play with.

The SS gives me only about 10 +5 mil travel.
The leupy  15 mils + 60 moa
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Originally posted by barrabruce barrabruce wrote:


My drop for my sub loads goes like this
yrds   MOA 
25      0
50     1.9
75     5.9
100   10.4
125    15.3
150    20.4
175    25.7
200    31.1
220     39
275     49
327     72

Playing with ballistic tables I can't seem  to get any easy drops to remember in easy spacings with MIL  like  MOA

Maybe I should look at the viper vortex more closely with the 30 MOA retical + 110 moa to play with.

The SS gives me only about 10 +5 mil travel.
The leupy  15 mils + 60 moa
Barra
Not sure if i follow your logic, whether you use the vortex or the ss they both have hold marks (moa or mil), with the data you gave us below would be your drops in mils.
Yards Mils
25 0.00
50 0.55
100 3.03
150 5.93
200 9.05
As far as internal adjustment, i would be surprised if the ss was lacking, but maybe im wrong (what is the internal adjustment?).
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The SS internals 23 total or 12.5 mil
What gets me is I can't find from the "SS add the rectical line thickness's.
And spacing of the hash marks.

Yeah I here all great stuff but there is little info available for it.
Great manufactures specs   page.
I suppose I better just get one 'cos someone can shoot 800yrds with it.
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Originally posted by barrabruce barrabruce wrote:

The SS internals 23 total or 12.5 mil
What gets me is I can't find from the "SS add the rectical line thickness's.
And spacing of the hash marks.

Yeah I here all great stuff but there is little info available for it.
Great manufactures specs   page.
I suppose I better just get one 'cos someone can shoot 800yrds with it.
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As far as elevation goes, how much do you need on a 4x scope.

Conservatively you have 11 mills of adjustment in the knobs + 10 mills below the cross hairs in reticle.

That is roughly 38 moa in turrets and an additional 34 moa in the retical more if you use the post.

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