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I have dealt with a similar "best factory out of the box" proposal several times and gone with several different rifles all with varying degrees of satisfaction. If there is one thing I have learned it is that you should handle as many different rifles as possible before making a decision and do not make your decision based solely off the testimonials of others. 

While learning from the experiences of others can be very helpful in narrowing the field of potential firearms or scopes etc, it is really necessary for you to look at each item personally and see what "fits" you and what you like. A great example might from my personal experience is the browning x-bolt. I love the way it looks, it has very sleek, modern lines and an attractive finish in the walnut stocked hunter variation. Browning has a great reputation for accuracy and reliability etc, and I know more than a few people who own or have shot the rifle who give it the highest accolades. All that being said, I went to the store to purchase one and realized after shouldering the rifle several times that something about the stock design does not "fit" my built very well and the result is that I bang my cheekbone on the comb of the stock when I shoulder the rifle. 

The moral is, make sure you handle the rifle prior to purchasing it if that is at all possible, and try to handle as many rifles as possible before making your decision. As far as accuracy and reliability etc go, as long as you choose a reputable company you will likely get a gun that will shoot perfectly well for hunting purposes and will last longer than you will if cared for properly. Just my two cents.
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I vote the new FN Model 70 Winchester from your list but think Savage and Tikka should be included and they would be ranked at or near the top.
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Originally posted by mlv2k5 mlv2k5 wrote:

I have dealt with a similar "best factory out of the box" proposal several times and gone with several different rifles all with varying degrees of satisfaction. If there is one thing I have learned it is that you should handle as many different rifles as possible before making a decision and do not make your decision based solely off the testimonials of others. 

While learning from the experiences of others can be very helpful in narrowing the field of potential firearms or scopes etc, it is really necessary for you to look at each item personally and see what "fits" you and what you like. A great example might from my personal experience is the browning x-bolt. I love the way it looks, it has very sleek, modern lines and an attractive finish in the walnut stocked hunter variation. Browning has a great reputation for accuracy and reliability etc, and I know more than a few people who own or have shot the rifle who give it the highest accolades. All that being said, I went to the store to purchase one and realized after shouldering the rifle several times that something about the stock design does not "fit" my built very well and the result is that I bang my cheekbone on the comb of the stock when I shoulder the rifle. 

The moral is, make sure you handle the rifle prior to purchasing it if that is at all possible, and try to handle as many rifles as possible before making your decision. As far as accuracy and reliability etc go, as long as you choose a reputable company you will likely get a gun that will shoot perfectly well for hunting purposes and will last longer than you will if cared for properly. Just my two cents.



yep, same thing for me with the Xbolt
got one sent to me in 25-06
I can't slam it because doesn't fit me right of course..
But you are absolutely right about trying a bunch out, some just fit and feel right
it can be the most mechanically accurate rifle, but if doesn't fit or handle right.. then you are never going to really maximize it's potential

My brother is trying  the xbolt  right now and it doesn't seem to bother him.
though I am a lot more picky than him
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

All of my Remington M700's are great shooters. The bolts are easy to tear down and parts are everywhere.
 
My feelings exactly. In fairness, the Remington 700 might not be the most accurate rifle "out of the box" today, but it's damn close. A simple trigger adjustment to an acceptable pull weight is usually required though. The Savage rifles have a good reputation for accuracy, but I'm not all that crazy about their looks. Tikka's shoot very good too, but that plastic TG/floorplate assembly and bolt shroud is rather cheesy. The new FN Winchester's are a far cry better than the New Haven one's in fit and finish and are reported to be very accurate too.
 
I think the bean counters at all the major companies are killing the looks and feel of their rifles with plastic used these days, but it is what it is as they say. I also really like the Kimber rifles and owned one in 7-08. They may not be tack drivers, but I feel they offer they nicest fit, finish and feel of any modern production rifle available today. They have excellent triggers right out of the box too.
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The only rifles I never ever had to tweak in any way (just put a scope on them), and shot great, no muss or fuss straight from the box I brought it home with, was the  Savage 10 w/Accutrigger(purchased in 2007) which gave one ragged hole with a five round shot group, and
Weatherby Vanguard (purchased three weeks ago) 1 1/4" from the box with the cheaper (US made) ammo.  Both of these are .243 shooting 100 grains.

My CZ combo (.222rem/12ga), CZ 527, Marlin MR-7 and Remington 700 varmint, all had to have some sort of tinkering, or glass bedding,barrel floating or a trigger job, before I could get decent groups.

Now on a slightly different area, I had a gunsmith build a sported M98 for me with a .308 24" bbl, for less than $450, and that puppy is a tack driver!  So that is an option you may also consider.
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Up the budget a bit and grab a Cooper....go with 280 or even 280 Ackley. Dream of a rifle. Otherwise I got a very nice savage 308 with 5r rifling, hs precision stock, and threaded barrel for under 1k.

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Gotta go with Remington 700. I own several and they are all tack drivers with premium ammo.
 
The second is Sako. I own a couple of them and woo!!!!! I can scan some paper targets and show them you'd think the were shot with a custom gun.
 
Remington 700
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I've owned two Sako 75's in 270.Both will shoot 1/2" groups at 100 with factory ammo. I had a bad experience with customer service on my first Sako.Had the store owner where I purchased my gun not refunded my money I would have been stuck with a very damaged in shipping rifle.Beretta claimed my bolt had come loose in shipping and beat the snot out of my receiver.There was not a single mark on the bolt,(must have been made from diamonds),and it was obvious that the marks had been made when it slipped in an unpadded vice.
 
I'm about decided my next rifle will be a FN model 70 Winchester featherweight Delux as soon as I get to see one in person and confirm no plastic trigger guards or magazine body.For great accuracy and price though,Savage is the choice.
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I just purchased a X Bolt 300 win mag medallion series mounted a Euro Black diamond scope amazing groupinng already......I'm happy with it so far
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Okay guys I am buying a Browning X Bolt with the Duratouch stock and fluted stainless barrel and action.  Seems my friend/local gun shop bought them on close out and they are a really good deal.  I'll either get a 7mm-08 or a .25-06  I should pick it up this weekend hopefully if Irene doesn't keep me from going to the shop.  Now what scope to put on it?  Leupold, Swarovski, Zeiss?  Other suggestions?  What size scope should I get?  
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Personally I would go for the 7mm-08.  But that is entirely a matter of opinion.  A good midrange scope should suffice. 3-9 2-7 something in that category and range...
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Originally posted by bird_hunter66 bird_hunter66 wrote:

Looking for a new rifle this fall and just wondered what you guys thought was the best rifle out of the box for the following?

Remington 700
Ruger M77
Winchester Model 70
Browning X-Bolt
Kimber
Weatherby Mark V

I'l looking for a .7mm-08, .25-06, .270, or .308.

Tell me what you like about the particular model that your suggesting.  Thanks guys always nice to get opinions with people who have experience with rifles.   
We have a long list of what everyone likes best.  For me the last 3 Tikka's I have bought have been absolutely fantastic. The last four savages I have bought have been fantastic.  The last 3 Remmingtons have been fantastic but they were R5 Mil Specs and Police PSS guns and the heavy barrel Remmingtons seem to be more carefully put together. The last Browning I had was a disaster, The last Sako A7 I had was a disaster, the last winchester I had was a disaster but I see they have gone back to the controlled feed extractor to fix the problem I had with a coyote lite 300WSM.  I will say that I am amazed at the accuracy of the Tikka's and the consistency but their guns are checked for accuracy before leaving the factory and if they dont shoot well they dont leave the factory. While I have not owned a Kimber Montana it would certainly be very high on my list.
Choice of calibers is a different matter.  One should select caliber depending on what game one wishes to hunt and the distance involved.  Of the cartridges you list  I only currentlly own the .308 which I find to be a very versitile cartridge with good availibility of ammo.  If you reload the  7mm08 is a wonderful choice for low recoil probably the best of the cartridges listed above if you are recoil sensitive. I am not; so I tend to perfer rifles in the .308, 30-06,  300 WM, and 300 WSM and of those my favorite is fast becoming the 300WSM unless I am standing beside it when it goes off.  I see little value in the .270 compared to the .280 which is a 7mm based on the  30-06 case - truely a fine choice due to the bullets available to reloaders.  I would strongly consider 30-06 as well because it is typically a bit faster than .308. I do find .308 cases easier to load than 30-06 but I find the 300WSM cases just as easy to load as a .308 but with no need to push the max limits to get higher velocity.  The other cartridge that merits great consideration is the .243 which seems to be quite adequate for deer with quality bullets and ideal for coyotes and other critters with lighter bullets.
I bought a .243 Savage stainless accutrigger accustock rifle and it really liked the 100 grain Winchester WinMAX ammo.  I have had a .25-06 but it seemed only to like the lightest weigh bullets which didn't work for me.  Be sure to check barrel twist rate to know what weight bullet will do best.  
 
All in all I think a Kimber Montana in a 7mm08 or its big brother the 280 which is 7mm off of a 30-06 case would be a fine choice if you want to make that kind of investment if not buy a Tikka and dont look back.  If you will need to acquire ammo in the middle of nowher base caliber choice on what you can typically find at wally world which eliminates some of the more cool calibers but those old standby cartridges have killed a lot of game especially the 30-06.
 
 
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Went to my friends shop this weekend and picked out a Browning X-Bolt 7mm-08 Durotouch Stock and Stainless Fluted Barrel.  It was a hard choice between the Winchester Model 70 and the Browning but I thought the Browning felt better when I mounted it.  Plus with Browning paying up to .8% of the tax it was hard to turn down.  I already have a Remington Model 700 in .243 SPS Stainless/Synthedic that I really love but just wanted to add another rifle to my safe.  

While I was there I saw a really nice used Remington 700 VSSF in .223 Stainless Fluted Barrel 26" in like new condition with its original box, paperwork, etc.  Looks like it hadn't been shot much at all.  I have heard that these are real tack drivers and I enjoy varmit hunting year round so I picked that up as well.  Now I need to move to the scope section and see what you guys would suggest for a scope for these two rifles.  I'm thinking Leupold, Swarovski, Zeiss or anything along those lines.  For right now I might just scope up one of these and wait a while and save up to scope the other.  Thanks guys for all your help and suggestions.  

Next up for me will be either a .25-06, .308 or 30-06 Winchester Model 70 when my friend run across a real nice used one.  




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