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I guess we will agree to disagree................I will agree that the wood is better on a Browning gun and it does have a smoother action out of the box, but I dont use rifles with wood stocks and IMO, a Ruger MK77 is the best rifle for the $$.  My Rugers have better triggers than my A-Bolts and all my guns are cut to 2.5 by the same smith......If the man is not open to changing rifle choice that is fine by me, just offering options.  I getting ready to buy the same cartridge rifle he his and really leaning to a Remington 700 so that I can build off of it in the future.  Not an option for him, as the money will be the same or more, but IMO, if you can't kill a deer @ 10-200 yards with a Ruger and quality glass, then its time to take up fishingWink.
 
 
 
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yeah i too would tak a 700 over either of those, i have a cheapo buckmaster scope on my ruger and it worked good enough to kill a deer for my wifes cousin who hadnt ever shot my rifle before, granted it was inside of 100yds but it died right there, one thing about the brownings i dont like is there safety
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Sorry for not replying sooner but we just had a power outage for about an hour or so. Wind is blowing heavy here all day, and must have taken down a power line.
Great ideas from everyone here. I am writing down the different models and makes that everyone has been mentioning to me. I have a problem when it comes to the Ruger. I have had the Ruger M-77 in .243 and did not care for it at all.
I even mounted a Leupold on top that cost me as much as the rifle did at the time. Sold both.
I have my Browning BAR and my Browning Citori for skeet that I absolutely love!
I am looking forward to the new X-Bolt. Never had one nor have I had the A-Bolt, but looking forward to owning one when the X-Bolt comes this way.
I think the 6X may be a bit stout for my close cover shots of 20 or 30 yards. I think for fixed power, I would go as high as a 4X and that would be it.
I do like the other suggestions you mention here. I will be going to the Dixie Deer Classic in Raleigh State Fairgrounds the first week of March and hope that there will be some dealers there that will let me look through some of the models you listed.
I am taking notes here!!
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if you like your bar and your citori im sure you will like the abolt, take a hard look at zeiss scopes
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Frank, honestly, for your budget I'd put a Leupld on top of the new gun.  I used them for years and for what you are wanting to spend, I think that Leupold will be your best option.  I have a VX-III 3.5-10-50mm that I thought I had sold on Ebay but the buyer has not paid.  If interested send me a PM.  It is pretty much mint with the exception of a pin size spot on the eye ring.  It may be too much scope for your taste, but as one other poster stated, why limit yourself with that gun?  GL.
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I am not opposed to looking at any other rifles at all. I have not paid anything on this rifle yet. My dealer said he will call me when the X-Bolt became available to him so I can place my order.
I am totally open on any rifle at this point as well as the scope. I have had different calibers from .243, .308, .270, .30-06, and .30-30. I have never had the 7mm-08 and thought it would be something fun to hunt with. I know everyone here understands the need for something different once in a while. A reason for another gun and scope I guess you could say.
The Zeiss that was suggested I am assuming is the Conquest. I do not know anything about them, but do know many speak highly of them. hat is another that is added to the list.
Not too sure how I feel about the Leupolds. Had the one on my Ruger M-77 .243 and did not see a lot of difference in the optics, but I am no pro with the scope qualities. I am not new to hunting, Been doing it since 13 and am now 56, but am somewhat new to picking the higher quality of the scopes. I feel that an informed person is one that is always willing to learn and listen.
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conquest is what im talking about correct, 7-08 is a good choice
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pyro6999,
Which Conquest are you suggesting as far as the power levels go?
I am looking at them now on the web site.
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Can you explain what is meant by the "2nd plane"?
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Originally posted by frankb frankb wrote:

I am not opposed to looking at any other rifles at all. I have not paid anything on this rifle yet. My dealer said he will call me when the X-Bolt became available to him so I can place my order.
I am totally open on any rifle at this point as well as the scope. I have had different calibers from .243, .308, .270, .30-06, and .30-30. I have never had the 7mm-08 and thought it would be something fun to hunt with. I know everyone here understands the need for something different once in a while. A reason for another gun and scope I guess you could say.
The Zeiss that was suggested I am assuming is the Conquest. I do not know anything about them, but do know many speak highly of them. hat is another that is added to the list.
Not too sure how I feel about the Leupolds. Had the one on my Ruger M-77 .243 and did not see a lot of difference in the optics, but I am no pro with the scope qualities. I am not new to hunting, Been doing it since 13 and am now 56, but am somewhat new to picking the higher quality of the scopes. I feel that an informed person is one that is always willing to learn and listen.
 
7mm-08 is an excellent caliber. It should serve you well.
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I cannot recommend the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 enough! This is a GREAT scope, you will not be dissapointed!        Bricat
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whats the deal with the crazy lines on the new Browning rifles?
 
seems kinda euro.
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IOR 4x ~360
Zeiss 4x~460
Zeiss 3x9x40~400
Zeiss 1.8x5 ~400
 
The 1.8v and fixed 4x Zeiss would be my picks.
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I had suggested Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 over the 2.5-8X32.  Just a little more light gathering with the 40 mm at dusk and dawn.
 
There have been many improvements in the X Bolt over the A Bolt, not only in ther trigger, but also the safety, which should answer questions about those items in previous posts.
 
As far as calibre, your choice is excellent.  If you examine ballistics tables in conjunction with the amount of free recoil in different calibres, you will find that the 7mm 08 offers very lttle perceived free recoil compared to the the velocity and energy it delivers.  That is why it is such a good choice.  
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The 4X is the scope I keep gravitating towards. Just need to pick the make and model.
Is there any benefits choosing a 2.5?? over a 3?? with all things being equal?
I see there is a .5 difference, but is that all?
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You need not sell me on the 7mm-08. I have been reading until my eyes want to fall out. I think it is the ideal caliber for what I want. I am not one for having a closed mind when others want to offer advise or their experiences and knowledge. Even at the age of 56, I enjoy learning, especially something I love so much and that is shooting and hunting.
The new Browning X-bolt seems to have the changes from the A-Bolt that everyone has been wanting and Browning answered it.
In my case,  choosing a proper scope is not all that cut and dry.
As I have explained before, I hunt close cover as well as an occasional 100 to 150 yard shot. But, those longer shots are not as common as my close cover shots. I can easily take what I call a close cover shot that can stretch out to about 60 or 70 yards and still be close cover. My land is heavily wooded with Southern Pines. All the under growth has been removed, or is still in process of being removed. An ongoing project of mine that is now 7 years old and still going.
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Originally posted by frankb frankb wrote:

The 4X is the scope I keep gravitating towards. Just need to pick the make and model.
Is there any benefits choosing a 2.5?? over a 3?? with all things being equal?
I see there is a .5 difference, but is that all?
 
Frank,
 
Look at a couple of things... The 7-08 is not a pounder, so you do not need alot of eye relief.  At the back end of the scope things like field of view and eye relief get determined.  You should make that work for you... Since you have close shots try and get as wide a field of view as possible.  Field of view and eye relief are regulated by the same elements... As one goes up the other goes down.  You know, know that you want a wide field of view and shorter eye relief.  You also want good low light performace.  Sound like Zeiss to me. 
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I hunt in a area of mature red pine and white pine, next to heavy cover which is a bedding area.  My shots are usually around 70 yards or less.  I started out many years ago with a 4 power scope, and graduated to a Bushnell Scopechief 2.5-8X32, then a Leupold Vari X III 2.5-8X36.  I usually keep my scope on about 4.5 power, but there have been many occasions that I was darn glad that I had the extra magnification, and sometimes wished that I had even more.  It's nice to have it when you need it.  Any still hunting is done at lowest magnification.   
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Originally posted by frankb frankb wrote:

pyro6999,
Which Conquest are you suggesting as far as the power levels go?
I am looking at them now on the web site.
2.5x8 conquest
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Originally posted by frankb frankb wrote:

Can you explain what is meant by the "2nd plane"?
 
maybe this will explain it and save on some typing
 
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All great ideas. Again, I am writing and making notes.
When using the Swift 2-7X40, I would keep the scope set on either the 2 or right at 4X.
When I used the Nikon 4X, there was no thinking involved. It was what it was.
Sure, there were times I wish I could have had more power, but that was to watch the deer as they came across the woodlines. I now carry my small 8X bino's that are very compact. That solved the problem of trying to use a loaded weapon for a spotting scope which I was never comfortable doing any way but I knew what the back drop was behind the area I was spotting. Now I just go for the bino's.
The Zeiss Conquest 4X seems to be a very nice scope. I do want to look through it.
Here is a real stupid question. Understand that I am not trying to go cheap by asking this question.
Between the Zeiss and Nikon Monarch in same 4 power, is the optics that much different?
Looking at the scopes in the store never does the scope any justice. The sports shop I go to always tells me to drag their scopes outside and take my time with them. They even have different areas set with the range finders so guys like me can judge with the actual distances that we hunt.
I took my range finder with me one day just to see if anyone was trying to pull my leg. The ranges they gave me for the different points of reference was spot on.
I want to go back to the sport shop on Tuesday (closed monday) and take a good look at the Zeiss and the Kahles, although the Kahles might be a bit above what I want to spend for my needs. I don't mind spending the extra, but is it really worth the extra money for what I want to use it for! Like they say; Get the right scope for the right job. That is what I am trying to do. If it called for getting a cheap scope, that is what I would have done. But I would like to have some quality glass with the new Browning.
Same goes for my choice of caliber. I love the .30-06, but feel it to be over kill for the short ranges I hunt so I use the .308 instead. And now adding the 7mm-08.
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pyro6999,
Thanks for that post.
I guess the ffp stands for first plane and sfp stands for second plane. If this is the case, then the fsp is the one I would be looking for for my needs if going with the fixed 4 X.
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if you wanna spend the extra to get a kahles, i would do that, if you compare the conquest to the nikon, you would notice the biggest differences at last light, and you may see more with a kahles yet, some of our members will say the zeiss and the kahles are really close and others will say the kahles is way better, if you go zeiss or kahles you will be happy either way
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Thanks to everyone for the efforts.
I hope to be able to eyeball both the scopes on Tuesday morning. That is the only way I will be able to make up my mind.
There is no way I want to put cheap glass on this new rifle. As I stated before, if the situation called for cheap, I would do it. But how can you possibly mount a coke bottle on a nice new Browning X-Bolt and be happy!!
I hope to let everyone know how it all turns out soon.
Frank
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thats just it we can give you our opinions but ultimately you gotta let your eyes tell you who makes a better scope.
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