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Came across something extremely cool today. 

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What have you always dreamed of in a mirrorless camera? Full-frame? Class-leading optics? The Nikon name emblazoned on top? Your dreams may be answered soon because Nikon has used its 101st birthday to announce the development of its own full-frame mirrorless camera system officially, complete with a new, currently unnamed mount and fresh NIKKOR glass.

Designed from the ground up, the Nikon mirrorless will feature a brand-new mount, one that Nikon claims opens the door for groundbreaking optical opportunities. As a company with more than a century of experience in this field, it will be interesting to see how the new NIKKOR lenses make use of this system and what distinct advantages they might deliver over other systems.

For existing Nikon users with NIKKOR lenses, Nikon is also developing a mount adapter that will enable the use of a wide variety of F-Mount NIKKOR lenses with the new camera.

Last year, Nikon announced the D850, a class-leading DSLR that we absolutely loved during our time reviewing it. Even today, it has remained as immensely popular as it was at the time of its launch. Taking this experience forward, we are excited to see what Nikon will bring to the market in the mirrorless category.

While it has announced the development of a mirrorless camera, the company has also reaffirmed its commitment to continuing to bringing DSLRs to market, providing photographers with even more choice when it comes to their imaging tools.

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Dammit...they had me VERY interested until they said "new mount." Granted, they said F-mount lenses could be used "with an adapter." The use of adapters usually means some functionality or capability is lost, though. I don't understand why they wouldn't design it to allow current Nikon customers to use their existing F lenses. That doesn't seem like the smartest move to me, but maybe there are valid tech/design reasons to get away from the F-mount. Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing what they came up with. They're really going to have to bring their "A" game to go head to head with Sony in the FF mirrorless category.
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I noticed that too. Mirrorless is the wave of the future like you said a while back. I'm anxious to see how this thing looks. I have no doubt the images it supplies will be nothing short of amazing. 

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Dammit...they had me VERY interested until they said "new mount." Granted, they said F-mount lenses could be used "with an adapter." The use of adapters usually means some functionality or capability is lost, though. I don't understand why they wouldn't design it to allow current Nikon customers to use their existing F lenses. That doesn't seem like the smartest move to me, but maybe there are valid tech/design reasons to get away from the F-mount. Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing what they came up with. They're really going to have to bring their "A" game to go head to head with Sony in the FF mirrorless category.

There are valid tech reasons.

Also, there is no reason to have loss of functionality with adapters if the company making the adaptor also makes the camera and the lens.

If they made a mirrorless camera with the original F-mount, it would be virtually guaranteed to die a slow painful death over the next few years.

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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

I noticed that too. Mirrorless is the wave of the future like you said a while back. I'm anxious to see how this thing looks. I have no doubt the images it supplies will be nothing short of amazing. 


Why no doubt?  We know virtually nothing about this camera so far.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


There are valid tech reasons.

Also, there is no reason to have loss of functionality with adapters if the company making the adaptor also makes the camera and the lens.

If they made a mirrorless camera with the original F-mount, it would be virtually guaranteed to die a slow painful death over the next few years.

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I believe you, but it would seem logical to me that, mirrorless or not, a FF sensor size should be able to support the F-mount. I realize that change is always inevitable and everything eventually evolves over time, but why would the F-mount pose design limitations on a new class of lenses for a mirrorless camera when dealing with a FF size sensor? Isn't a mount nothing more than a bayonet design, a prescribed diameter hole in the body compatible with the sensor area, and a set of electrical contacts to drive focusing and aperture control? If all it takes is an adapter to use F lenses on their new mount, and assuming no functionality is lost as a penalty by doing so, then why not just use the same connection for the new lenses? Given that the mount design is an exterior feature that's part of the lens shell and is a connection and electrical contact interface, I don't understand how that would in some way limit the design possibilities of the optical system inside the lens, unless part of the concern is reducing lens outside diameter...but then we're still dealing with a FF size sensor.

The thing that concerns me and makes me think maybe some functionality might be lost with the adapter is the statement in their press release that "some" F-mount lenses could be used with the adapter. 

Of course, all I can do is speculate until I see what they unveil. It would be nice to have a body with similar or better capability, resolution, and pro build quality as the D850 that's also thinner and lighter.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


There are valid tech reasons.

Also, there is no reason to have loss of functionality with adapters if the company making the adaptor also makes the camera and the lens.

If they made a mirrorless camera with the original F-mount, it would be virtually guaranteed to die a slow painful death over the next few years.

ILya

I believe you, but it would seem logical to me that, mirrorless or not, a FF sensor size should be able to support the F-mount. I realize that change is always inevitable and everything eventually evolves over time, but why would the F-mount pose design limitations on a new class of lenses for a mirrorless camera when dealing with a FF size sensor? Isn't a mount nothing more than a bayonet design, a prescribed diameter hole in the body compatible with the sensor area, and a set of electrical contacts to drive focusing and aperture control? If all it takes is an adapter to use F lenses on their new mount, and assuming no functionality is lost as a penalty by doing so, then why not just use the same connection for the new lenses? Given that the mount design is an exterior feature that's part of the lens shell and is a connection and electrical contact interface, I don't understand how that would in some way limit the design possibilities of the optical system inside the lens, unless part of the concern is reducing lens outside diameter...but then we're still dealing with a FF size sensor.

The thing that concerns me and makes me think maybe some functionality might be lost with the adapter is the statement in their press release that "some" F-mount lenses could be used with the adapter. 

Of course, all I can do is speculate until I see what they unveil. It would be nice to have a body with similar or better capability, resolution, and pro build quality as the D850 that's also thinner and lighter.

The problem is flange distance.  There is a huge advantage in having a shorter flange distance for wide angle lenses.  Flange distance is why with traditional DSLRs wide angle lenses are so large.

The adapter will likely not support older lenses that relied on the motor in the body to adjust aperture.  Some Nikon bodies already do not support those lenses.

ILya
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