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Going to get a Kimber Open Country.  84M action, new this year.  I need to use multiple scopes on it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670061227
http://www.kimberamerica.com/open-country

This will be a hunting rifle, range toy and shoot an occasional NRA high power match if I can find one in my orbit.
I'll need to swap between;
  • A light weight, low power hunting scope for toting around. TBD
  • My SWFA 6X, 20 oz.
  • One of the Leupold silhouette scopes (fixed 12X or 25X) for standing off hand competition, 14 oz. 
This may eventually evolve into more rifles but for now, how do I swap scopes on this thing and keep zero?
I don't need to win any competitions, I just want to play with my hunting rifle.  I know very little about rings and bases etc. so any help is appreciated.  Thanks ahead, Clinton.



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Put a 20MOA rail on it, and mount all the scopes with the same brand rings (aadland would be a good choice, he uses very good quality fasteners and the lugs do a great job of minimizing movement front-to-back with on/off rotations.

Expect up to a 1MOA shift with each on/off cycle, meaning check zero before shooting for anything important.

The trick to what you want to do is a good torque wrench, and putting them in exactly the same spot and exactly the same way each time.  Like shooting, consistency will help immensely.
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What RC suggeted will work.

However, it is a bit of a pain, and you will spend some money on bases, rings, tourque wrenches, etc.

Have you considered investing in a decent variable scope that will satisfy both needs?

There are several very nice 3-15x designs out there that might work for you.

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Wow, those Aadlands are beefy looking.  Would go great with the SWFA 6X.  I was surprised by their lightweight specs.  The Leupolds are 1" tubes and although the Aadlands have an insert, I'm not wild about the look with the smaller tube.  Maybe I could find a similar scope with a 30mm or different rings.  Tks for the reply.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

What RC suggeted will work.

However, it is a bit of a pain, and you will spend some money on bases, rings, tourque wrenches, etc.

Have you considered investing in a decent variable scope that will satisfy both needs?

There are several very nice 3-15x designs out there that might work for you.

ILya

Yes I have.  What has kept me from that is that high power Silhouette is shot from a standing position and the rifles tend to have high combs and taller scope rings to get a good cheek welds and sight picture from that position.  In that case I thought I would just swap to a taller scope setup and lace up a cheek riser to the stock.  I could see how at 25X the reticle could be pretty shaky without a good fit.  Maybe I'm making too much of this, I don't really know.
The other side of that is, I wanted a smaller, lighter scope for stalking than your typical 3-15X.
Thoughts?
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Wow, offhand at 25X, i would hate that - though I don't shoot competitively.

There are a few ways to skin this cat. I agree with Koshkin that one catch-all scope would be simpler; but I was answering the original post as asked - I was not endorsing the solution.

You will definitely be several hundred in on wrench and various rings this way, before you get to buying glass.

The whole thing makes little sense to me, but it is doable nonetheless.
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RC, your opinions are welcome. Honestly, I wasn't sure how common this practice was. For all I knew, it was easy.

It looks to me like beginners use a 12X until they get used to it and then wish that ram targets @ 400 meters were bigger so they jump up in power and learn to discipline the reticle.
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Swapping scopes is not uncommon, but not as common for target shooting. Making the mounting very repeatable can be involved, but not it of the question with high quality rings.

25x top end with such a light rifle would be difficult. Honestly, if I were you, I would get something like the Razor HD LH 3-15x42 (this is the lightest high quality option I can think of) and set it up for your offhand shooting. Then add a removable cheekpiece that would allow you to have a proper cheekweld for hunting with the same rings.

That way, instead of swapping scopes, you just deal with the cheekpiece.

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Several companies make quick detachable rings. I tend to like La Rue model 719 30mm rings for this issue.  

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For frequent swapping if scores, I would stay away from LaRue. I have not had good luck with them at all.

Over time, they seem to chew up the rail which messes with reliability.

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I would do rings and a torque wrench over a mount, but that's just me. There is no on/off option that holds absolute zero.
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Tks for all of the replies, they are very much appreciated. I have some shopping around to do and weighing the costs. Clinton.
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