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Topic: Magnum Article
Posted By: pyro6999
Subject: Magnum Article
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:00
today i got my latest edition of rifleshooter mag, and inside was a very well written article from one of my favorites. craig boddington was talking about the new magnums vs the old, and even though i really do favor the good old magnums he did make some points that i think both sides could understand. excellent article mr. boddington.

what he basically concluded was that while the new magnums may not out preform or out sell any of the tried and true old school magnums, the gun makers of today are making these new magnums more desirable to the public with what craig calls "packaging" shorter tubes lighter rifles, stuff that is apparently popular today. he did make mention that while ammo availabilty may never catch up or catch on at all in some areas, and that just because you handload doesnt mean you will be able to equal or surpass the factory offerings due to them using "secret" powders etc.. but he does admit that he likes some of the newbies and still prefers some of the oldies too.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"



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Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:09
I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:12
to be honest with you i dont care for the remington offerings, in the short mags, there ultra mags on the other hand are excellent. the rcms i think will stick around, craig mentioned that while he hasnt latched onto any of the new .30 cal mags he is inamered by the .338rcm, close to the .338win in a shorter action and rifle.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:16
I'm with you on the Remingtons...I haven't looked at any of the Ruger stuff.  But I really like the little Ruger rifles. 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:19
ive held them in the store, and they are certainly a step up from the old mkII's thats for sure. i see that rcbs finally came out with dies for the rcms, now as soon as somebody comes up with brass and  some reloading data we may see it take off. kimber is also chambering rifles in the 300 and 338 rcms

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:28
There are 2 .338 RUM's at a gun shop here, I think they are about $600-$650 each.  Both look new, with Swift 3-9s on 'em.  I was tempted.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:29
im not sure how long the swifts would handle the recoil, but what the hey they have a lifetime replacement warranty

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:43
Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....
 
.270 WSM will survive for sure. Local gun shop here can't even keep ammo in stock. Boxes and boxes of 140gr. Accubonds go out the door. I asked why they never have any when I stop there, and he keeps telling me that they keep selling out. I told him to order more boxes next time!


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Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:43
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

im not sure how long the swifts would handle the recoil, but what the hey they have a lifetime replacement warranty
 
I thought the same thing about the scopes...I was wrong, they are .375 RUMs...even worse on the Swifts.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:51
dogger has a .375 rum and he loves it. he weres a past magnum recoil pad to shoot it off the bench but he says its like shooting a slug out of a 12ga.

craig mentioned he enjoys the .270 win but he said he would way rather have a .270wsm for hunting sheep etc. and he said in fact he owns 2 .270wsm's. they are an excellent choice in areas where shots are long and frequent


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:57
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I wonder which short mags will survive...I would guess .300wsm will be one, I don't see 'room' for a .300wsm, .300RSAUM and a .300RCM (hope I didn't miss one or make a new one up). JMO
 
If you hand load it's not as big of a deal, but if you don't....
 
.270 WSM will survive for sure. Local gun shop here can't even keep ammo in stock. Boxes and boxes of 140gr. Accubonds go out the door. I asked why they never have any when I stop there, and he keeps telling me that they keep selling out. I told him to order more boxes next time!
 
Yeah, the .270 wsm should be fine.  My concern is for the .300s.  I think the .25 WSSM might tank too, it's not easy to find a rifle chambered for it.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 13:58
i wont miss the .25wssm i had one and that little p.o.s pissed me off so bad, its the only rifle i ever owned that i couldnt make shoot worth a damn with hand loads, i know they are starting to make an appearance with the ar crowd.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 14:39
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

today i got my latest edition of rifleshooter mag, and inside was a very well written article from one of my favorites. craig boddington was talking about the new magnums vs the old, and even though i really do favor the good old magnums he did make some points that i think both sides could understand. excellent article mr. boddington.

what he basically concluded was that while the new magnums may not out preform or out sell any of the tried and true old school magnums, the gun makers of today are making these new magnums more desirable to the public with what craig calls "packaging" shorter tubes lighter rifles, stuff that is apparently popular today. he did make mention that while ammo availabilty may never catch up or catch on at all in some areas, and that just because you handload doesnt mean you will be able to equal or surpass the factory offerings due to them using "secret" powders etc.. but he does admit that he likes some of the newbies and still prefers some of the oldies too.
..............I`ll have to get that and read it!...Right up my alley!
 
Of the shorter mags, the one more likely to go bye-bye in the future will be the 300 RSAUM. Remington`s marketing program died on that one in lieu of their 300, 338 and 375 RUM`s.
 
Successful marketing and advertising is the key to anything new along with great products to back that up that marketing.
 
When it comes to teaming up, producing new product innovations in ammo and rifles, then marketing and advertising them, no one does it better than the team of Hornady and Ruger!
 
Because Hornady and Ruger are behind the RCM`s with their ammo and rifles, I see no reason for their eventual failure in the marketplace.
 
The 300 RCM is now being offered by Ruger in the 16.5" tubed compact. Because the 300 WSM was discontinued in the Frontier compacts for patent reasons 2 years ago, this rifle (like my 300 WSM Frontier), even lighter, offers considerable power from only a 35.5" OAL very handy and wonderful handling rifle. It may not quite reach the ballistics of the 300 WSM from the 16.5" barrel, but will be certainly close enough. I cannot stress enough how wonderful these little rifles are in the field.
 
If given the choice, compared to the 20" 300 RCM Hawkeye, I`d rather have the even shorter 16.5" tubed compact 300 RCM. Total overall velocity difference between the two will only be around 1.5% to 2.5% anyway. That`s nothing to be concerned with and won`t have any effect on stopping power or distance to the target.
 
Reloder 17, when I get my paws on that stuff,,,, will be my "TOP SECRET" powder! Can`t say for sure now, but based on what I`ve already chrony`d with the 180 gr SST`s and from what I`ve read about RL17, I`ll be aiming for 3000 fps from my 300 WSM`s 16.5" barrel. Success or not, will depend on when I see pressure signs, as each rifle as its own tolerance level for max loads and some rifles are faster bored than others which mine happens to be. But if I don`t reach 3000,,,,,no bigee,,,,,I already have 2917 fps in the can now with the 180 SST`s, but I`ll be happy with 2940 to 2999! Won`t make any difference on game anyway. I just love showing up to the range with my lil shorty and gettin the looks and questions as though it can`t shoot beyond 200 yards!!........Roll on Floor Laughing 
 
Oh yeah! RL17 is "top secret" all-right!!.....Cencored,,,,,,,Mouth Taped Shut
 
 


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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 14:42
i think craig was refering to other stuff like the new .370sako that came up with, essentially a 30-06 necked up to .366 but there isnt any way one could duplicate there factory numbers, stuff like that more than anything.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 14:49
I`ll just wait and see what RL 17 can produce. If I`m not mistaken though, the 300 WSM has more powder capacity than the 300 RCM?? Maybe using some RL17 in the 300 RCM can get the same specs as the RCM factory loadings? I wonder if Hornady`s secret stuff is RL17?

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 14:51
the rcm is in between the wsm and the rsum in total capacity. hornady's secret stuff is there own creation, norma does this kind of thing also.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 15:55
I also like the .270 wsm, while I no longer own one, I'll probably add one again in the future.  The reason I like the 270wsm, is because it actually exceeds the original 270, while all of the other short mags are pretty much just duplicating the originals.

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Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 16:16
I have the 243 wssm in a Browning and it is a great varmint rifle but the price of factory ammo makes it prohibitive for prairie dogs, sure works for coyotes though.
 
Duce Smile


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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 19:30
I believe the 300/270 wsm will take center stage...the25wssm is crap?   should have been 25wsm
to surpass the 25-06 and take on the 257 weatherby...ie..25 pronghorn if you like 25s there it is cheaper than the Roy.  the 223wssm is equal to the 22-250/scrap that one too.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 19:38
  Yea,I had high hopes for the 25wssm. Seems there are ALOT of bad experiences like pyro's.


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 19:45
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  Yea,I had high hopes for the 25wssm. Seems there are ALOT of bad experiences like pyro's.


Yeh! and only winchester makes ammo for it, and if you look nobody else chambers for it.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 19:58
  Yep,it's history. I'll just stick with my .25-06.


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/20/2009 at 20:00
Those wssm`s casings look funny too. The neck diameter a little out of porportion with the casing diameter.

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 10:42
they should have done a .264 wsm is what they should have don.

the problem with the 25wssm was that the shoulder was so steep and the neck was so short that they had to modify the follower and the ramp so that damn thing would even load up at all. steep geometry can be a pain in the ass in instances like that. it was an ok idea, but they would have been better served doing it in a wsm instead of the wssm, i know that jon sundra pleaded with winchester/browning to make the .25 in a wsm it made more sense. and he was right, the 25 was the first of the wssm's to be dropped.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 10:49
   Read a post somewhere that was saying  one of the top custom riflemakers(Charlie Sisk maybe?) would only use Winchesters CRPF action when building a rifle chambered for a WSM due to feeding problems. Got one in .300 WSM under the bed behind me. My friend's VERY recoil sensitive and can't handle it.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 10:54
i never had any feeding issues with my 300wsm, but that rifle was so light it beat me into submission so i traded it off on a .264 win mag.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 11:13
  That's the way my friends Win is. It's one of those Super Black Shadows I think it's called? Weighs in right at 7.5# w/sling and VX II 3-9x40 but no ammo. I LIKE it ALOT!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 12:04
mine was a browning composite stalker, it weighed in at 6.6lbs

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 12:12
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i never had any feeding issues with my 300wsm, but that rifle was so light it beat me into submission so i traded it off on a .264 win mag.
..................................Heavy Recoil..........Crutch..........Really Sad................................................Roll on Floor Laughing

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/22/2009 at 12:15
if that wsm was a "real" rifle instead of a "toy" version it would have been fine. if it would have weighed 7-8lbs without a scope it would have been nice.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/26/2009 at 21:20
I think Weatherby should cut down their cases and offer a couple Weatherby short mags there would be no infringement on Rick Jamison since they would by on a Weatherby radius shoulder?   not the same as his.  just think of all the short action nuts reactions.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 09:24
lazzeroni sorta does that except of course there cases arent belted. but who can afford 5-6 $5500 rifles?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 10:42
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

I think Weatherby should cut down their cases and offer a couple Weatherby short mags there would be no infringement on Rick Jamison since they would by on a Weatherby radius shoulder?   not the same as his.  just think of all the short action nuts reactions.
...........From what I understand, that`s why Ruger discontinued the 300-325 WSMs in their compacts because of patent infringement on Rick Jamison.....Oh well! I got mine though!!!
 
So what Ruger/Hornady did, was to come up with the RCMs based on a smaller version of the 375 Ruger case and bypass the WSMs plus any legalities all-together. Very clever!!!
 
Although possible, I don`t think we`ll see any new shorter cartridge creativity or innovation coming out of Weatherby.


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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 10:43
i wouldnt say that, push comes to shove and ed's boys will come up with something. 

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/27/2009 at 16:18
I was just thinking for them to stay in the game if it continues they would have a nitch just like they do with their regular rounds .$$$$$$$$$ short action real Weatherby?

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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/28/2009 at 20:43
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i wouldnt say that, push comes to shove and ed's boys will come up with something. 
..........Well!......The 300 WSM has been out since about 2000-2001, followed by the 270 WSM, 7 WSM and the 325 WSM. And yet during most of this decade, there has been nothing from Weatherby in the short mag ammo market which has been created from, or influenced by their regular Weatherby factory cartridges.
 
If Weatherby were to create shorter mags based on their longer existing cartridges, they certainly couldn`t call them and market them using the same WSM initials; short for (Weatherby Short Magnums) for patent reasons. That would really piss Winchester off!
 
Because of the WSM`s and now the new RCM`s, I don`t think that we will see any short mags coming from Weatherby, because there really isn`t anywhere else to go in design and innovating, that would be any improvement to what already exists. In other words, imo, you cannot take any existing factory Weatherby casing, shorten it up, make an improvement over either the WSM`s or the RCM`s, while maintaining an approx. COAL of a .308 Win or a little longer.
 
In the shorter mag market, Weatherby missed the boat. Whereas over the past few years and presently, Winchester with their WSM`s, Hornady and Ruger with the advent of the 375, 416 Rugers, 300-338 RCM`s and making rifles chambered for them, have capitalized big time!!!
 
Imo, if Weatherby does come out with some short mags, they won`t grow to the degree in popularity as the WSM`s or the up and coming RCM`s. I believe that Weatherby is a more traditional company, which prides itself in the longer magnum market and will stay that way!


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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/28/2009 at 20:54
Squeeze......I SAID THINK OF IT >>>>NOT RUIN IT, I HAVE A DREAM!.....LOL......build it and they will come?

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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/29/2009 at 01:02
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Squeeze......I SAID THINK OF IT >>>>NOT RUIN IT, I HAVE A DREAM!.....LOL......build it and they will come?
.........."I have a dream!" "I have a dream, that one day new little Weatherby Short Magnum cartridges can run around with little WSM and RCM cartridges,,,I have a dream today!"........Roll on Floor Laughing....Laugh

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/30/2009 at 15:54
OK.....whatever... and I guess a new Weatherby super squeezer is not in the future for you .

                                                                Reloader


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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/30/2009 at 18:29
squeeze after some research and development and a couple of phone calls we finally came up with a prototype sorry about the pictures and tooling marks but you get the picture told you it could be done./weatherby on the left / wsm on the right ..270



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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 13:03
Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Squeeze......I SAID THINK OF IT >>>>NOT RUIN IT, I HAVE A DREAM!.....LOL......build it and they will come?
.........."I have a dream!" "I have a dream, that one day new little Weatherby Short Magnum cartridges can run around with little WSM and RCM cartridges,,,I have a dream today!"........Roll on Floor Laughing....Laugh


The line for orders is around the corner, and a mile down the street

                                                  Shocked


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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 13:30
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

squeeze after some research and development and a couple of phone calls we finally came up with a prototype sorry about the pictures and tooling marks but you get the picture told you it could be done./weatherby on the left / wsm on the right ..270

.........It can be done all-right!.........But I don`t believe that Weatherby anytime soon, will market their own short mags based on their longer well-established cartridges. Doing so would conflict with their longer traditional Roy`s!! 

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 13:32
Yeh. I know but it gave me something to post on......lol

                                      Cool


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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 13:34
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

OK.....whatever... and I guess a new Weatherby super squeezer is not in the future for you .

                                                                Reloader
...With what I already have, probably not! I don`t believe that we`ll ever see a Weatherby rifle with a barrel 20" or less,  chambered in their short mag.
 
That would go against their traditional grain.


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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 15:17


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There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: January/31/2009 at 15:25
Question  cant figure what that is?  ^

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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: February/06/2009 at 19:01
Kickboxer what is that picture of?

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"Get Busy Livin' or get busy dyin'" -Red (Shawshank Redemption)


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: February/06/2009 at 21:11
Its the long list of surviving WSM & WSSM cartridges.

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Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/06/2009 at 21:19
It's a newfangled, modernized HACKSAW, for cutting down the size of cartridges.  A good hacksaw, a blowtorch and a three pound hammer and you can make metal look any way you want it...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 18:54
The 300WSM is perhaps my favorite 30.cal,though I'll always grab a .284 over a 30.
 
I love the 7WSM and 7SHAMU as well. A 25WSM would be sweet...................


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/10/2009 at 09:04
Originally posted by Relentless Pursuit Relentless Pursuit wrote:

The 300WSM is perhaps my favorite 30.cal,though I'll always grab a .284 over a 30.
 
I love the 7WSM and 7SHAMU as well. A 25WSM would be sweet...................

.264 wsm would be better stillDevil


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/10/2009 at 09:57
I'm simply not a 6.5 Slut and quit trying after a brace of 264Win's. The 7WSM smokes the whole outfit,but my 25cal afflictions are hardly secreted and 257Wby performance in a s/a do appeal.
 
Though I'll suffer with a trio of 25-284's...................
 


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 09:45
 
 
 
 
                                                       .    <----------can you see that????    Shocked


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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 11:12
It is amazing how much better things appear after 24 Hrs. Right ED.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 11:22
Thunbs Up

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 12:42
 
 
 
                                                                                              Eat and Drink


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Posted By: Magnum Opus
Date Posted: March/15/2009 at 04:47
Give the clueless 72hrs to get brave and they still refrain rebuttal.
 
Facts do remain facts,much to their consternation..............


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: March/15/2009 at 10:32
You didn't give us anything to rebutt,....Butt.  Except your attitude....which was handled as nicely as we could manage it without turning our forum into a WWW wrestling match.  Go get a job at the Pentagon.   I'm sure you'll fit right in....Wink   

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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: April/01/2009 at 20:50
( " squirrel-headed bastard......." )           Roll on Floor Laughing      I like that!!!   Laugh

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Posted By: Oldtrader3
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 19:55
I really miss the .300 H&H.  I have had (2) Pre-64, Model 70 Alaskan's and a Sporter made in the 1990's.  You can load to factory ammo standards or easily beat the .30 WSM ballistics without the high CUP. 
 
I guess that Winchester is only calibers up to the .338 WM.  No long or African calibers.  Of the new short mags, I believe also that the .270 WSM and .30 WSM are a real winners.  The .325 WSM is certainly getting the marketing hyperbole and seems to be catching on, despite only the 8mm jinx.


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Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 21:38
I am a big fan of the .300 H&H myself, but no, you can't load it up to beat the .300 WSM at the same pressures.
 
In fact case capacity is just about identical. About three years ago I talked my gunsmith friend Charlie Sisk into doing an experiment. He first chambered a HEAVY premium barrel to .300 H&H and ran some loads through it, using various bullet weights and powders, while recording the pressures on a Pressure Trace strain-gauge system.
 
Then he rechambered the same barrel to .300 WSM, so that the new chamber used the same throat as the .300 H&H chamber. Charlie ran the same bullets and powders through the .300 WSM, and found that the exact same powder charges produced almost exactly the same velocities and pressures. Sometimes they would be slightly higher in the WSM chamber and sometimes slightly higher in the .300 H&H chamber, but for all practical purposes the cartridges are identical except for case shape and length.
 
In fact with both chambers the same powder (Ramshot Hunter) turned out to be most accurate. The groups were shot on and indoor range with a high-powered scope. I can't remember it exactly but knowing Charlie it was probably a Leupold. I do remember the entire rifle weighed over 30 pounds, so it held pretty steadily!


Posted By: Oldtrader3
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 22:15
I used 69 grains of IMR 4350 with 165 Nosler Partitions in the .300 H&H.  With the 26" barrel it yielded about 3000fps.  That rifle/load worked on everything (mostly mule deer) that I shot with it up to 350 yards with a Zeiss 3-9x36 scope.  Of course you know that the 1000 yard record that was set with the .300 H&H which stood for quite a few years. 
 
My .30 WSM was also about the same velocity as the .300 H&H.  I gave the .30 WSM A-Bolt Medallion to my middle son.  He has moved to Laramie, WY and has an elk rifle in the .30 WSM.  Now I am without a .30 mag. but who knows what the future holds.


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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 22:17
Man I would love to see those recipes and groups!

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: Oldtrader3
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 22:24
For Wimbleton?  The groups with the IMR 4350 in (3) different .300 H&H, Model 70's were consistantly MOA.

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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 22:27
Actually from the test that John was referring to. As I currently load for .300 wsm.

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: May/28/2009 at 22:49
The results of the tests were published in HANDLOADER magazine maybe 2-3 years ago, I can't remember the issue.
 
My own present .300 H&H is a Model 70 Classic rebarreled by Classic Barrel & Gun Works ( http://www.cutrifle.com - www.cutrifle.com ) in Prescott, Arizona. They make cut-rifled, hand-lapped barrels and very fine rifles. I have both a synthetic and fancy walnut stock for it, and as you might imagine it shoots very well.
 
But since I am a rifle loony I also have a .300 WSM (one of the new South-Carolina Model 70's, with fancy wood,  that shoots very well itself), a Heym SR-21 .300 Winchester Magnum (also extremely accurate) and a Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA in .300 Wby. that also is right in there as far as accuracy.
 
What the heck I need four .300 magnums for I have no idea.


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: May/29/2009 at 07:32
  .300 H&H  versus  .300 WSM (Handloader #245)
 
   .300H&H w/180 Nosler Partition:
     Powder              RL19  67gr                            Hunter  67gr                             H4831  68gr
    Muzzle velocity    2914                                      2923                                         2918          
    Velocity spread    9                                            65                                             14
    Avg pressure       57,177psi                               64,686                                       56,165
    Pressure spread  3,034psi                                 4,171                                        1,517
    100yd accuracy   .31                                          .63                                            .75
 
 
   .300H&H w/150gr Barnes TSX:
     Powder                RL19  69gr                             Hunter  71gr                            H4831 76gr
     Muzzle velocity    3194                                       3241                                        3213
     Velocity spread    27                                           60                                            12
     Avg pressure       55,051psi                                66,481                                      52,170
     Pressure spread  1,213psi                                  4,551                                       4,854
     100yd accuracy    .88                                          .31                                            .60
 
 
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   .300 WSM w/180gr Nosler Partition:
     Powder                  RL19 67gr                             Hunter 67gr                     H4831 68gr
     Muzzle velocity       2918                                     2942                               

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