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Topic: 7mm-08 or 25-06 X-Bolt?
Posted By: SamC
Subject: 7mm-08 or 25-06 X-Bolt?
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 21:55
I'm thinking of buying a long range rifle for deer hunting. I want something light and easy to shoot as I get older, maybe an X-Bolt Stainless in 7mm-08 or 25-06, what do you recommend in both caliber and rifle and why?
Thanks,
Sam


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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/04/2009 at 22:53
Both are wonderful I like 25s just cuz, the only difference in the two are velocities and short and long actions with the 25 you can load or buy lighter bullets. either one would be a good choice. personally I would choose a 260 over the 7-08


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 01:05

Yes the .260 Rem would be a fine choice that 6.5mm bullet has superior balistic coeffecient.

Good Call  It's not a really common round but it certainly should be.  If you are not a reloader you might just stay with .308 due to ammo availability - it may be hard to find right now but there is a lot of it out there.  I doubt there is a significant difference in recoil between the .308   7mm 08  and 260 Rem as they are all based on the same case and bullet weights can vary significantly as can powder charges. It also is really easy to find a good quality rifle in a .308   I think the Savage 10FP 20 inch barrel tactical is awesome but considering the political climate I would reccomend  a stainless gun. Ruger seems to have a nice solid rifle with a very solid extractor but for a little more you can find a Tika or Sako. The Sako style extractor on these is quite good. I did not have good luck with a Winchester extractor and while I like Remmington I think you are more likely to find a stainless gun in a Ruger or a Tika/Sako.



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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 04:07
I agree! Something light and easier to carry around in the field as we get older is much better.
 
As an owner of one, I happen to have considerable experience with a 16.5" barreled Ruger compact, available for `09 in the 260 Remy and in the 7mm/08, which are two ideal cartridges for deer.
 
There is no better, quicker handling and easier to carry bolt rifle on the planet than the Ruger compacts. Long range, short range, mountains, open plains, in the brush or timbers, or as a truck gun, the Ruger would make an excellent choice. As mine, the more recent Rugers over the last 3-5 years are very accurate. The new LC6 triggers are sweet too.
 
The little secret is, that regardless of the cartridge chosen in the Ruger compact and given the same ammo or identical reloads, the shorter 16.5" tube (31% shorter than a 24" er), only loses 4.5% in overall velocity vs a full sized 24" barrel. No deer or any game hunted at any shooting distance will ever know that 4.5% difference. A great trade off in return for hours of carrying enjoyment and great handling in the field.  My own chrony results prove that as well as Dick Metcalf`s chrony results which I can reference. His test rifle was a 7mm/08 Mk2 Frontier, which in appearance only, is just like my Frontier which is chambered in the 300 WSM.
 
My friend who has loved mine for almost two years, just got his new stainless 300 RCM compact Hawkeye which I played with for an hour. Too powerful maybe for your needs, but what a great, fast handling easy and wonderful carrying piece. 
 
Once you go do some hiking and climbing with one of these,,,you`ll get spoiled...I know!   
 
 
 


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Posted By: swtucker
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 06:52

I really like a 7mm-08.  If you reload then the .260 is probably better, if you don't reload the ammo selection is not near that of a 7mm-08.  I owned both calibers in the same rifle and found the recoil to be the same.



Posted By: John Barsness
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 09:08
The biggest factor in flattening trajectory to 400 yards or so is muzzle velocity, not ballistic coefficient. The higher BC of 6.5mm bullets doesn't really begin to make a difference until around 500 yards, and even this it is minimal. Since a 7mm-08 can get at least 100 fps more muzzle velocity over the .260 with any given bullet weight, the 7-08 will shoot a little flatter over normal hunting ranges. Plus, ammunition for the 7mm-08 is widely available, while .260 ammo is often hard to find.
 
I like the 6.5s myself, and always have at least a couple hunting rifles in 6.5mm chamberings. But let's not get carried away with theory on their superiority.
 
Personally, for a light-weight deer rifle I would go with the .25-06. A good 100-grain bullet at 3200-3350 (depending on whether you use factory or handloads) will shoot flatter than any of the other calibers mentioned, and kill any deer that walks--and often quicker than heavier bullets at slower velocities.


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 09:39
  +1 although we've settled lately on the 115 Partition as a do all for my sons Mod70 .25-06 its trajectory when we used  100gr Solid Base bullets duplicated my .300 with 150gr SB's.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 09:57
Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

I agree! Something light and easier to carry around in the field as we get older is much better.
 
As an owner of one, I happen to have considerable experience with a 16.5" barreled Ruger compact, available for `09 in the 260 Remy and in the 7mm/08, which are two ideal cartridges for deer.
 
There is no better, quicker handling and easier to carry bolt rifle on the planet than the Ruger compacts. Long range, short range, mountains, open plains, in the brush or timbers, or as a truck gun, the Ruger would make an excellent choice. As mine, the more recent Rugers over the last 3-5 years are very accurate. The new LC6 triggers are sweet too.
 
The little secret is, that regardless of the cartridge chosen in the Ruger compact and given the same ammo or identical reloads, the shorter 16.5" tube (31% shorter than a 24" er), only loses 4.5% in overall velocity vs a full sized 24" barrel. No deer or any game hunted at any shooting distance will ever know that 4.5% difference. A great trade off in return for hours of carrying enjoyment and great handling in the field.  My own chrony results prove that as well as Dick Metcalf`s chrony results which I can reference. His test rifle was a 7mm/08 Mk2 Frontier, which in appearance only, is just like my Frontier which is chambered in the 300 WSM.
 
My friend who has loved mine for almost two years, just got his new stainless 300 RCM compact Hawkeye which I played with for an hour. Too powerful maybe for your needs, but what a great, fast handling easy and wonderful carrying piece. 
 
Once you go do some hiking and climbing with one of these,,,you`ll get spoiled...I know!   
 
 
 



LaughSqueeze, did you cut and paste that from a Ruger ad? 


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Posted By: hunter12345
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 10:25
I have the Kimber Montana in stainless 7mm-08 and find it to be an excellent lightweight rifle and light recoil with Remington 140 Nosler partitions.The rifle is made in Yonkers NY and fit and finish are top notch.


Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 10:31
You need to also consider the length of action.  Do you want a standard or short action?  Currently I have only 1 standard action and it is a 6.5x55 that I use for deer hunting.  Everything else I have are shorts (308, 243, etc).

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The're taking the hobbits to Isengard!!


Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 10:54
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

I agree! Something light and easier to carry around in the field as we get older is much better.
 
As an owner of one, I happen to have considerable experience with a 16.5" barreled Ruger compact, available for `09 in the 260 Remy and in the 7mm/08, which are two ideal cartridges for deer.
 
There is no better, quicker handling and easier to carry bolt rifle on the planet than the Ruger compacts. Long range, short range, mountains, open plains, in the brush or timbers, or as a truck gun, the Ruger would make an excellent choice. As mine, the more recent Rugers over the last 3-5 years are very accurate. The new LC6 triggers are sweet too.
 
The little secret is, that regardless of the cartridge chosen in the Ruger compact and given the same ammo or identical reloads, the shorter 16.5" tube (31% shorter than a 24" er), only loses 4.5% in overall velocity vs a full sized 24" barrel. No deer or any game hunted at any shooting distance will ever know that 4.5% difference. A great trade off in return for hours of carrying enjoyment and great handling in the field.  My own chrony results prove that as well as Dick Metcalf`s chrony results which I can reference. His test rifle was a 7mm/08 Mk2 Frontier, which in appearance only, is just like my Frontier which is chambered in the 300 WSM.
 
My friend who has loved mine for almost two years, just got his new stainless 300 RCM compact Hawkeye which I played with for an hour. Too powerful maybe for your needs, but what a great, fast handling easy and wonderful carrying piece. 
 
Once you go do some hiking and climbing with one of these,,,you`ll get spoiled...I know!   
 
 
 



LaughSqueeze, did you cut and paste that from a Ruger ad? 
.................Hell no! Ruger can`t do it as good as I can........Laugh

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300 WSM/375 Ruger....."All science, is truly the study of God`s wonderful work!"..."Bad news for liberals, is good news for America!".."What liberals hate, I love!".."What liberals like, I despise!"


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 14:21
25-06      257 Weatherby    257 Roberts    250 Savage    25-284 Win       25 STW      1/4 bore
  quarter-bores         25       these rock!Head Bang


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Posted By: CWT
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 14:28
If deer are what you are after all that matters is what you like. There is basically no difference other than heavier bullets available in the 7mm.

7mm-08 120grain  3000ft/sec muzzle and 2223ft/sec @ 300yds. 1316ft-lbs @300yds

25-06 120 grain  2990ft/sec muzzle and 2252ft/sec @ 300 yds. 1351ft-lbs @ 300yds.

Factory Remington Ammo.




Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 15:58
I also like the 25.06 for longer ranges, its super fast and flat using 100-110 grain bullets.

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Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 15:59

Thanks everyone, right now I'm leaning toward a 7mm-08 only because it has a short action and a shorter barrel but I haven't ruled out the 25-06 yet, IMHO John Barsness makes a compelling argument that the 25-06 may be a more versatile cartridge.

Sam

 



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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 16:03
Get what you want and not what others think will be a better choice.    Wink

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Posted By: CWT
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 19:12
I think the 7mm-08 is a more versatile round except if your going to be hunting predators. Now I ain't an expert but have been shooting critters for 36 yrs and I am an old man of  46 now. Bought my first 7mm-08 three years ago for my daughter( age 9 ) while in Ga to hunt with. I was so fond of it I had a semi-custom rifle made from a Winchester action. Together we have only shot 8 whitetails with the 7mm-08, but I've shot close to 30 piggys in GA in my last years before I moved back to NC. All were with 140 grain ballistic tips. Pigs don't like it, deer don't either! All piggys were 125lbs to 300lbs. Many shot in the shoulder quartering to me. Would the 25-06 worked as well? Yep. But with the biguns' I was glad I had the 140's. Long action, short action who cares really. Get what you want and be happy. They both work and work very well.


Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 19:55
I am trying to decide the same thing in the same gun, 7mm-08 or 25-06.   (Unfortunately the 260 is not available in the X-Bolt.  I have a 260 and a 308 and the 308 definitely has more felt recoil in equally weighted guns.  I love the 260 and it pains me to say this but I'd choose a 7mm-08 over it because of ammo availability).  The 25-06 and 7mm-08 are about even as far as availability in both guns and ammo but it does seem the premium ammo is more commonly available with the 7mm-08.

The recoils tables I've seen show (in general) that with factory ammo the 25-06 will have slightly less felt recoil than the 7mm-08 but it's close.  B/C's are generally a lot better with the 7mm's but there is some factory 25-06 with higher B/C's.  But with the higher muzzle velocities of the 25-06 the result is flatter trajectories (with the higher B/C bullets).  It's not a huge advantage and some would argue that the heavier 7mm's bullets are more resistant to winds.

Action size could be the deciding factor between the two if both are available in the same gun.  My experience as been smoother cycling with standard actions than with short actions because of less bolt binding.  Ironically I've found that I can also work a standard action faster than a short action, especially when shouldered.  Subjectively (and I know this is ridiculously immaterial) I like the feel of a standard action cartridge in my hands.  It gives me a slight bit more confidence when I'm loading my 270 than my 260 or my 30-06 than my 308.

Barrel length and weight might be another factor.  My handloading buddies tell me a 25-06 needs a 24" barrel whereas a 22" is sufficient for a 7mm-08.  The 7mm-08 is superior with shorter barrels.  Big Squeeze seems to be the expert on barrel length.  He's the man when it comes to the RCM's or really short barrels like the 16.5" versions.  If you want a really handy rifle I'd defer to him.  But if you're comparing the 24"/22" barrels above the deciding factor could be that the 7mm-08 would be about 2.5" shorter (and have slightly less weight).

Then there's bullet weight.  Some would argure that the 25-06 straddles the varmint/big game category with bullets topping out around 120 grains.  The 7mm-08 ammo I almost always see is 140 grain.  Is 20 grains that big of a difference?  Some think so.  If I was hog hunting I'd rather have a 140 grain 7mm bullet than a 120 grain 25 caliber bullet.  But for whitetail the 25 caliber 100 grain bullets and above are perfectly adequate.  The 7mm-08 might be more versatile as a big game caliber but SamC wants a deer gun.  I'd choose the 25-06.


Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 20:05
Timber well said.    I too am in the market been toying around making or buying a long distance shooter   I already own a 7x57,308, 250 imp. .  .was thinking on a 6.5-284 or an other 308 but now I think I going to go with the 25-06 or the 257 Weatherby I really like the 25 caliber rounds 100gr/115gr are plenty for deer and pigs and you can go 75gr/85gr on coyotes and prairie dogs.

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Posted By: CWT
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 20:26
I still say what apple do you want? Gala, Fuji, Red Delicious, or Wine Sap? Ain't much difference. What ever you like.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: March/05/2009 at 20:59
I like both cartridges very well.  It just so happens that my 2 favorite deer rifles are chambered in these 2 rounds.

Do what I did... get both!Wink  MAN LAW clearly states that you can't have too many guns!


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 07:57
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

25-06      257 Weatherby    257 Roberts    250 Savage    25-284 Win       25 STW      1/4 bore
  quarter-bores         25       these rock!Head Bang


eh, 6.5mm's are still better. i was just reading an article in shooting times and it appears that the writers at that magazine feel that the .260 is finally starting to catch on. i find that interesting and exciting.

one thing that i find interesting about the 1/4's is that most of them are wildcats. look at your list, only one of the selections you listed is an original design, the rest came to be because of something else. the 250 savage is the only original on the list.  the 25-20 and the the .256 arent orginal either. so the savage is unique to the .25's for being totally orginal.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:12
i just ran the ballistic calculations on the .260 and the 7-08 both using the max loads published in the hornady 7th ed manual. i used 140gr bullets for both rifles using the the two bullets with the highest b.c's and it was damn close at 500yds. there was only 70fps and 86ft lbs difference between the two and the 7-08 had a 200fps advantage from the start so the high b.c of the 6.5mm really makes a difference. for me that is a difference worth noting but an animal probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference, and somebody shooting that animal wouldnt either.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:18
For normal hunting distances that wont make much of a difference though especially since most of us don't shoot past 300 yards.  High BCs really start to make a difference after 500 to 600 yards.  That is why long range shooters are always wanting a new bullet design with a higher BC.

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:20
Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a long range rifle for deer hunting. I want something light and easy to shoot as I get older, maybe an X-Bolt Stainless in 7mm-08 or 25-06, what do you recommend in both caliber and rifle and why?
Thanks,
Sam
what is long range.??


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:24
ok i ran it again out to 300 yds this time and the difference is a little more 116fps and 165ft lbs

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:33
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

ok i ran it again out to 300 yds this time and the difference is a little more 116fps and 165ft lbs
 
pyro,
Which one had more fps and fp lbs at those ranges?
 
Dale,
My idea of long range shooting is 300-350 yards.
Sam


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Winston Churchill


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:34
Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a long range rifle for deer hunting. I want something light and easy to shoot as I get older, maybe an X-Bolt Stainless in 7mm-08 or 25-06, what do you recommend in both caliber and rifle and why?
Thanks,
Sam

if you buy a .260 i would buy a rem model 7 cdl


the .260 lost on both the 300 yd and 500yd distances. only because the 6.5mm bullets are long and eat up powder space, where the 7mm bullets have room to make the bullets bigger around so they are in turn shorter, so you get more room for powder.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:49
Sam - I would say .25-06.  Great on deer and can be loaded lighter for varmint, but you do burn a lot of powder to get there.  If you reload, recommend it because it brings another level of fulfillment to hunting, I would agree the .260.  It is a dandy little cartridge.  Speaking of reloading, just got my 4k of brass yesterday, there is work to be done!!

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Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:52
If you want to go with the 6.5 cal go with the 6.5x55.  Because it is a standard action you can seat the bullets way out there and add more powder.  They look neat too, kind of like claws. 

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The're taking the hobbits to Isengard!!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 09:53
the 6.5x55 is neat but the 6.5 rem mag is better

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 10:01
Good call on the 6.5 mag!  I have never owned one but I have certainly entertained the idea. 

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John 11:35
The're taking the hobbits to Isengard!!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 10:06
i love mine!!! i can load mine up to run with my .264win mag

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: BillyWayne
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 10:07
What kind of velocity are you getting with 140s?

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John 11:35
The're taking the hobbits to Isengard!!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 10:13
i dont shoot 140's in it, i use the 130gr accubond and the 120 gr tsx's. i shoot the 140gr in my .264 though. i dont know what kinds of velocities im looking at with my .264 since i made the powder loads up myself. im planning on shooting them over a friends chrono one of these weekends. i know my 6.5 will throw 130gr at about 3200 fps and im getting about 3300 with the 120's. the 140gr bullets didnt shoot worth a hoot out of the 6.5 just like the 130 and 120gr bullets didnt shoot to well out of my .264.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:05
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Timber well said.    I too am in the market been toying around making or buying a long distance shooter   I already own a 7x57,308, 250 imp. .  .was thinking on a 6.5-284 or an other 308 but now I think I going to go with the 25-06 or the 257 Weatherby I really like the 25 caliber rounds 100gr/115gr are plenty for deer and pigs and you can go 75gr/85gr on coyotes and prairie dogs.


Thanks! 

Man, do I wish I could hand-load!  The way you guys tayler loads is amazing.  Don't ask!  I wouldn't trust myself with nitroglycerin, no way!  Ha, ha.  I wish I did though because factory 257 Wby is mighty pricey.  I wish you didn't mention it rifle looney because I want one, ha ha!  But I think it's a whole different beast altogether. Obviously a long distance king with comparatively moderate recoil.  But isn't it a quantum leap over a 25-06 or 7mm-08?  Maybe a choice between a 257Wby and something like a 270WSM or 7mmWSM.  But 300-350 yards for deer, I don't think you need it.

The 260 is a real sweety.  Here's a gratuitous repeat of my 260 Mtn. 700 pictures:






Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:18
Thats nice I like the stainless and wood look, got a scope for that? . .  . the 257 Weatherby has always been on my gotta have list!  right now I am re chambering my encore in 250 ai to 25-284 due to problems with the chamber this will get me the velocity of a hot 25-06 I'm thinking 3350fps ive heard of 3400fps but I wont push it. Thats with a 100 gr. nosler balistic tip or partition.

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Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:30
rifle looney; "Thats nice I like the stainless and wood look, got a scope for that?"

Yes and no.  I had one and pulled it off for another rifle.  Suggestions?  Confession - I'm stuck on 30-06 for hunting right now so I'm 'rusty' with my 260.  But I still have a soft spot for her.


Posted By: medic52
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:30
I have a Ruger 1 in 25-06 w/ a bushnell 3200 3x9x50 a very deadly combination on our deer here. Best shot so far 360 yards DRT.............

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Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:32
Any idea what kind of velocity you get out of that 26" barrel on that Ruger #1?


Posted By: medic52
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:38
I shot a 120 Gr JHP on IMR 4064 44.5 grs the book says 2916 fps...

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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/06/2009 at 20:38
Originally posted by timber timber wrote:

Any idea what kind of velocity you get out of that 26" barrel on that Ruger #1?


I can tell ya .......ZZZZZZING!  Wink


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/07/2009 at 07:46
Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

Thats nice I like the stainless and wood look, got a scope for that? . .  . the 257 Weatherby has always been on my gotta have list!  right now I am re chambering my encore in 250 ai to 25-284 due to problems with the chamber this will get me the velocity of a hot 25-06 I'm thinking 3350fps ive heard of 3400fps but I wont push it. Thats with a 100 gr. nosler balistic tip or partition.


+1 i have been hot on the trail of a .257 roy for years, and i was very close to sealing the deal until that .375H&H showed up at the gun show in january. i would love to get one in a m700.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/08/2009 at 23:05
timber......... how 'bout a Kahles 2-7X36?  It looks pretty nice on my 700 mtn .260!

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take em!


Posted By: Relentless Pursuit
Date Posted: March/09/2009 at 19:32
A 25-06 Kimber Montana punched 25-06AI,wouldn't be too hard to take.
 
7-08 is still prolly my default chambering of choice..................


Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/11/2009 at 23:02
Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

timber......... how 'bout a Kahles 2-7X36?  It looks pretty nice on my 700 mtn .260!


Have a picture?  Why does SWFA have so few Khales listed?


Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: March/13/2009 at 09:34
Sam,
 
I own both.  7mm-08 Sako M591 and .25-06 Tikka 695.  I get 3330 +/- with a 100g Barnes TSX and <1.0 inch Groups.  With this set up (2.75 in. high at 100) there is no holdover on deer to 350 yds.  The 7mm-08 will also get you to 350 bit you may have to put it on his spine to hit him in the vitals.  With the .25-06 I just put it hlfway between the bell and the back and pull the trigger.  As for your choice of the X-Bolt the 7mm-08 will be little lighter than the .25-06.  I own one in .308 and with Talley lightweight base/rings and a Zeiss Conquest 3x9 it tips the scales at just a hair over 7lbs.  The .25-06 X-Bolt will probably weigh in about 1/2 to 3/4 lb. more.  Hope this helps.


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/13/2009 at 09:46
Thanks magshooter that was very helpful!
Sam


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Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: March/16/2009 at 12:17
Sam,
 
I want to clarify one thing.  The .25-06 is not dead on at 350.  The .25-06 will hit a little below (3+ inches) where you hold at 350 and the 7mm-08 will hit a lot more below (9+ inches) at 350 with the same +2.75 zero at 100 yds.  The +2.75 setting at 100 yds equates to a 300 yd zero with the .25-06 and a 250 yd zero with the 7mm-08.  I put my .25-06 where I hold because that puts the bullet right through the boiler.  Just wanted to be clear.
 
Magshooter


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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/17/2009 at 21:25
for what its worth.  I've had a chance to shoot my .260 700 Mtn a couple times now.  I used Core-lokt's in 140 and Premier AccuTip's in 120.  I was a little disappointed in the level of recoil.  I was hoping it would have been lower.  I don't think my son's .270 700 CDL kicks as much.  The CDL does have the R3 recoil pad and the MTN has an Kick-Eez.  Also, the .270 has a longer heavier barrel.  Maybe I just bought the wrong version for what I wanted.  Sure wish I could have shot it before I bought it!  Was really disappointed in the 120 grn Accutip's.  was hoping they would be noticably less.  If it's going to kick as much as a .270, I'd rather have the performance of the .270!  Maybe I should get a .25-06 in the CDL with the R3 or SuperCell.  Finding ammo was a bigger deal than I thought it would be too.  I have a competitor , basspro and scheels all local as well as a few smaller stores so it's not like i live in the sticks.  It's a very nice looking rifle and handles very nice too!  So, if you get one  with the hopes of light recoil, I wouldn't get the MTN version or the model 7.  Not sure Rem is making them in anything else this year. 

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Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/17/2009 at 22:46
Originally posted by magshooter1 magshooter1 wrote:

Sam,
 
I want to clarify one thing.  The .25-06 is not dead on at 350.  The .25-06 will hit a little below (3+ inches) where you hold at 350 and the 7mm-08 will hit a lot more below (9+ inches) at 350 with the same +2.75 zero at 100 yds.  The +2.75 setting at 100 yds equates to a 300 yd zero with the .25-06 and a 250 yd zero with the 7mm-08.  I put my .25-06 where I hold because that puts the bullet right through the boiler.  Just wanted to be clear.
 
Magshooter
 
Thanks magshooter!
Sam


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Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/17/2009 at 23:22
Hey Tip69.  Did you put a R3/Limbsaver pad on yet?  It will make a big difference.  But I would agree, my 260 Mtn recoils alot more than I expected.  I have lots of experience with a 700 CDL in 270 and I'd say the recoil is similar to my 260 Mtn.  I was surprised and yes, disappointed in the recoil of my 260.  But it's still a fairly easy shooter.  

Remember mine came with the R3 and I think yours didn't.  But I'd also agree the size and weight advantage of the Mtn over the CDL is debatable.  The MTN is about 3" shorter (41 5/8" vs. 44 1/2") and a pound lighter (6 1/2#'s vs. 7 1/2#'s).  It also feels smaller in the hands.  Is that a big difference and worth the performance deficit compared to a 270?  You'll have to decide. 

EDIT: Forgot to mention, a couple of shots really heats the barrel and consistency/accuracy falls off fast.  Assuming a hunting situation only requires 1, 2 or 3 shots at the most it's not a big deal.  But it's a pain at the range.  I'd also add the CDL is more accurate and easier to shoot accurately.  JMHO.

Here's a couple of ballistic numbers from a Remington catalog:
260 - 140 grain 2,351 ft.-lb. @ muzzle
270 - 140 grain 2,659 ft.-lb. @ muzzle
I think the short action is a 1/2" shorter than a standard action, therefore a 1/2" shorter powder column.  The handloaders know the powder grains of each.




Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: March/18/2009 at 07:39
The 1# lighter gun is what makes the difference in felt recoil.  If you or someone you know has the Lee Shooter software they can use it to calculate the recoil of a rifle or shotgun.

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/18/2009 at 20:19

No, I went with the Kick Eez.  Kind of pisses me off to because I had another smith that put a SIMS on a BPS and only charged $25.00.  Wish I would have gone back to him.  The idea of shooting the same ammo as my Son is making me think even harder about the .270.  There is a 700 CDL .270 with R3 at a local dealer for $529.99.  It's used but that never bothers me much.  I think my buddy might buy the .260 from me.  If so, I will take my son's gun and the .260 to the range and compare side-be-side.  If not much diff, I will probably get the used .270.

Damn, so many guns, so little $$$$.



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Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: March/19/2009 at 08:50
Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Damn, so many guns, so little $$$$.

 
Aint it a shame?


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Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/19/2009 at 12:43
Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

No, I went with the Kick Eez.  Kind of pisses me off to because I had another smith that put a SIMS on a BPS and only charged $25.00.  Wish I would have gone back to him.  The idea of shooting the same ammo as my Son is making me think even harder about the .270.  There is a 700 CDL .270 with R3 at a local dealer for $529.99.  It's used but that never bothers me much.  I think my buddy might buy the .260 from me.  If so, I will take my son's gun and the .260 to the range and compare side-be-side.  If not much diff, I will probably get the used .270.

Damn, so many guns, so little $$$$.



You're right.  I forgot about the Kick-Eez.  I would have thought it would have been better than the Limbsaver.  But if you're not happy with the Mtn. trade it.  Life's too short.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/19/2009 at 12:51
dont get me started on this one.BuckyLaugh

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/19/2009 at 20:33
come on pyro.... out with it!

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Posted By: timber
Date Posted: March/19/2009 at 23:40
270? Slap


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 09:33
 read the article greg rodriguez did in shooting times for april 2009 on the .260 intresting stuff.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 11:42
To bad the .260 didn't pan out the way you had hoped.  Sucks when they don't fit quit right, recoil harder than you like and/or procuring ammo takes some doing.  Getting the .270 would make getting ammo easier plus, like you said, you and your son could share ammo if you needed too.  Like Timber said, life is too short.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 12:17
the problem with the .260 was that remington screwed up, they used the wrong twists in their barrels. ruger has since fixed the problem with their rifles. but really the .260 is a fine choice

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 12:22
My father in law a retired Remington Arms salesman loves the 260 but my take is we already have virtually the same ballistics in the 7mm-08 and ammo for the 7mm-08 is easier to find.
Sam


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 12:26
you get less recoil with the .260, and i think this coming year you may be surprised how much the .260 will sell this year, from what im reading in the various mags they are really catching on.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 12:30
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

you get less recoil with the .260, and i think this coming year you may be surprised how much the .260 will sell this year, from what im reading in the various mags they are really catching on.
 
My father in law will love that if it happens!
Sam


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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 21:16
I saw that article pyro, it was the first article I read when it came in the mail!  I so wanted it to be a sweet little shooter.  Sometimes I think Remington is successful in spite of itself!  I got the 2009 catalog and they are only offering a .260 in the Model 7 this year.  I really don't get it!  Why not make one in the CDL with a twist for 140 grainers and up and market it as the perfect whitetail gun.... could even call it the "Whitetail Classic/Special"  Damn, they probably couldn't keep up with demand!  f**ktards!
 
If the job pans out and I get offered a perm. position, I will look for a cheap 700 short action and have a barrel made for it.  I think I could pick up a CDL stock for $50 or so, especially if it's in less than 100% condition.  Then I would have the good recoil pad with some weight from the stock and barrel, which should help with the recoil.
 
In case anyone is wondering why the big deal about recoil..... I want to be able to shoot it alot from the bench as well as hunt with it.  I never notice recoil when I'm hunting - only at the bench.  I could get around the ammo issue by reloading, so I still think I'll get another one someday!


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Posted By: rifle looney
Date Posted: March/20/2009 at 21:24
Hey Tip, look around and ask about special runs somebody might have some made up especially places in the east or mid states? a lot of large gun stores do this every year or so. Just to have something the other guy's don't. I wonder if you contact Remington if they would tell you or give you a list of these stores?.....maybe    Wink

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