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Topic: Who Manufactures The Super Sniper Scopes
Posted By: Ranger007
Subject: Who Manufactures The Super Sniper Scopes
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 19:11
Ok I've heard it by numerous people/sources and the answer differs. Where is it referenced in black, who makes the Super Sniper Scopes? Why is SWFA the only place that sells them?

Please set me on the straight and narrow.

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Posted By: grnjeep1
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 19:19
I don't think anyone knows for sure, except the guys from SWFA.  I've heard light optical works, but who knows...Either way, these scopes will hold their own against any manufacturer out there.


Posted By: 308 Sav
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 19:21
SWFA

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Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 20:16
I always thought is was the Japanese firm who originally built them for Tasco.




Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 21:03
It doesn't really matter, they are subject to SWFA's specs, quality control, and customer service, so buy with confidence!

SWFA designs and markets the scopes, so they sell them.  This is good, because it saves you and me from paying the dreaded, greedy middleman.

Robin Hood


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 21:16
Elves...



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Posted By: grnjeep1
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 21:45
After getting my 3-9 and looking through it, I wouldn't be suprised if they were made by elves. Glass as good, if not better than a MK4, and at half the price. Good stuff Yippee


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 21:47
Elves?  The tooth fairy brought mineBucky


Posted By: moeman
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 23:46
Geez,  what does a guy need to do to get an honest answer?


Posted By: Mike McDonald
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 06:36
More rumors about where these are made than about the Kennedy assassination.  All about as factual.
In the end it really does not matter............don't know what countries my " made in America"cars are manufactured/assembled in but I still drive them just fine.


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 07:17
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Elves?  The tooth fairy brought mineBucky
 
There you go hanging with fairy's again....
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 07:18
NO NO NO  I we can't turn another thread into rubish...........
No No


Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 08:01
Only SWFA knows for sure where they are made. As for why they are only available from SWFA, its because they own the rights to the scope, and choose not to sell it through any other outlets.

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 08:23
Like most things now a days...  The SS scopes are wholey owned by SWFA and built by somebody else.  As long as the specifications and base design are good then the proper QC is preformed you get a quality product.  Got to keep a close QC eye on your suppliers!!!

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Posted By: HOLLOWPOINT
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 08:41
Maybe those scopes are made in a large, red county far away in the east.
 
 
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Posted By: HOLLOWPOINT
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 08:42
countRy of course.........

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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 09:25
NO! They are definitely not NOT, Chinese made! I have had 2, both were made in Japan.

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 16:32
This comes up all the time and I don't understand why.
 
I think that people think that companies like Bushnell, Night Force, Simmons, Millett, etc. all have their own factories and that they build scopes for smaller companies in their factories.  This is not the case.  The only companies that have their own manufacturing facilities reside in Germany and Austria with a few other exceptions.  Everything else comes from factories scattered all over the orient that are not owned by any name brand.  The days of a company actually producing their own products in house is long gone.
 
Another common misconception is relating one name brand to another.  For instance the guy asking was probably looking to get an answer like, Bushnell.  Then he would assume that our scope is the same as a particular Bushnell scope.  Most of these factories are capable of producing extremely high end scope all the way down to Barfska type scopes.  You supply them with the specs and they build it.  You supply them with a budget and they'll hit it.
 
Even if we told you the name of the factory you would not know any more than you do right now because it is not relevant and has no bearing for comparison sake.  For instance if I told you that our scopes are made in The Ping Pang Chow factory in Japan, what would you have learned about our products?
 
With a large pile of money you could travel the orient and come to market with The Ranger007 scope line and it could be whatever you want it to be from NightForce quality to BSA quality and there are many factories that could do it.  They have "house" scopes already designed that they can just glue your logo on if you like.  That is why you see so many scopes that look alike with different names on them because these smaller companies did not design anything, they just wanted a scope line with their name on it.  These off the shelf scopes are typically mass produced low budget scopes.
 
We have taken a completely different approach with our products.  They are not off the shelf, they are all custom, proprietary designs built to our specifications and our specifications are strict and tight with no compromises in regards to final product integrity.  We keep the bean counter out of all design meetings (sorry Mom).  If we can save 50 cents by making something out of plastic instead of an alloy we typically opt to spend an extra 50 cents and make it out of hardened steel.  Same with our glass and coatings recipes.
 
This business model would not work if our products had to go through the normal channels of distribution because the mark up and overhead would have them prices way out of the market.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 16:39
Excellent post Chris,  sticky it ?


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 18:47
Wow, thanks for clearing that up Chris as it started to sound like you were the Tooth Fairy [:}
 
By the way, all SWFA  scopes are great designs & very reasonable so just about anyone can have a nice piece of glass,Thanks ExcellentExcellentExcellentExcellent 


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Posted By: feklar
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 19:19
Ok...so where are they on the 2011 scope chart?  You know the one with brand names like zeiss and swarovski on the top and barska on the bottom?
 
 


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 21:13
The new models would easily be up around  Zeiss Conquest  Leupold VX3 Bushnell 4200 but below the high end Euro $$$ scopes and way above middle of the road. The old models just a tad below that level but quite useable with the 6x being the best of them that I have had and the 12x being the only model I have not had.

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: February/09/2011 at 22:46
My SS 3-9 beats my 4200 3-9 in every aspect in my opinion.  I am not saying the 4200 is not a nice scope, but I put the SS above the 4200 in the ratings myself.  Can't comment on the Conquest or the VX3 since I don't have either.


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Posted By: Plange
Date Posted: February/10/2011 at 14:28
Very nice response Chris,
 
The bottom line is that it is a world economy out there and it will never be "like the old days" again. When we went to design and build our scope we could not even find a simple 8mm screw that was made in the USA- oh there were many places we could buy them but the actual screw was made overseas- it isn't cost effective anymore to make certain things in house or in country.
 
That said, the bottom line with any company is what it is willing to spend on the design of the product, manufacture, QC and distribution and still hit a certain price point and be able to keep the doors open.
 
If the company that spec'c the design can keep a good QC on the product and keep the manufacturer honest then you should have a good product- if that company does due diligence on this then I myself would have no problem purchasing anything from them.
 
From what I have seen the SS scope line is very good for money which in turns equals a good value to the end consumer.
 
Paul


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/10/2011 at 16:27
Paul,
 
I came close to saying they are made by Nunya.
 
Tell Chris, he'll get a good laugh out of it.
 
Wink
 
 


Posted By: Plange
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 10:31
LOL, I will tell him.
He now laughs at that.....Big Smile
Later,
Paul


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 11:00
Nice response Chris!

Not that there is all that much to add, but I will say this:  at this point I own four different models of Super Sniper scopes and I have been exceedingly happy with the performance of all four of them.

To put that statement in perspective, I have looked at just about every scope out there.  Typically more than once.

To answer the next inevitable question: what about the really fancy stuff? Premier Heritage, etc? how do the Super Snipers stack up with those?

They do not compete against each other.  Different market segments.  However, Super Sniper scopes routinely compete with and do well against similarly configured scopes that are 60% to 70% more expensive.  In order to get a serious step up, you pretty much have to go to the likes of Premier, S&B, Hensoldt, etc.

ILya


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 12:13
Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

More rumors about where these are made than about the Kennedy assassination.  All about as factual.
In the end it really does not matter............don't know what countries my " made in America"cars are manufactured/assembled in but I still drive them just fine.
 
This.
 
I've never, ever cared where or who makes the Super Snipers. All I know is they are an incredible value, provide excellent performance and backed up by the good folks at SWFA.
 
  


Posted By: Beaudean
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 14:03
If I recall correctly, I own optics by Nikon, old Redfield, Burris, Bushnell, Ziess, Weaver, Swift.... and I don't think I could tell you who or where any were made.  They could all be made by the same company for all I know.
My burning question is,  why won't SWFA honor the 110% Low Price Guarantee with the Super Snipers? Wink
 
BTW, I don't won a Super Sniper, yet!


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 14:14
Maybe cause they are the only seller of them.

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 14:36
Originally posted by Beaudean Beaudean wrote:

My burning question is,  why won't SWFA honor the 110% Low Price Guarantee with the Super Snipers? Wink


Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Maybe cause they are the only seller of them.


Couldn't individual employees within SWFA be asked separately for a price quote then...like they were each separate companies? There's gotta be some way to squeeze some value of out of these scopes. Big Smile


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Posted By: TraderJack
Date Posted: June/21/2013 at 04:07
I really don't care WHO makes them, as long as it's NOT the Ruskies or the Somalie pirates...
I'm getting one for my .308!


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/21/2013 at 08:37
Originally posted by TraderJack TraderJack wrote:

I really don't care WHO makes them, as long as it's NOT the Ruskies or the Somalie pirates...
I'm getting one for my .308!

"You chose wisely..."


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Posted By: REP
Date Posted: June/21/2013 at 16:57
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Elves...


LOVE IT!!!


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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 05:39
So what I take out of this thread is that I need to go capture some elves and force them into hard labor making scopes for me to sell. I'll start my own line of JLUD products.....now are elves found in caves or the end of the rainbow?

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Posted By: sucker76
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 09:35
I sure hope elves make them.  Isn't Santa an elf?


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 10:00
Elves can be found in caves and at the end of the rainbow.  The ones at the end of the rainbow are more difficult to catch and tend to already be wealthy so you should go for the ones in caves.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 10:05
 So What if the elves are in a cave at the end of a rainbow? 

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 11:06
I saw that question coming a mile away!!!Smile
 
SWFA is sole sourse for SS scopes.  Their sales staff is salaried and receive no commissions.
 
SWFA CS its good as it gets and are wonderful to work with!!!!
 
What more could you realistically ask for???


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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 19:04
If you need to tell someone you saved a buck get one off the Samplelist. It may be one that was only used for a photo op.

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Posted By: Mike McDonald
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 19:10
So let me ask you this:

If I told you where they were made.....and I just might have that information..............would you even have any idea about who the heck that was anyway???
Would you even be able to tell us what else they made and if that product was any good at all?

Just buy the darn scope, and follow the Optics talk rule # 1 ;
If you some how manage to actually break one you have to tell us all how you managed it.

I used to have a job trying to break the suckers and that never happened.    


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 21:48
Good point Mr. McDonald. 


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: June/26/2013 at 22:36
There are only one clan on the planet that can brake a SS scope.......The Elves.......Wink

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2013 at 05:33

Deep within the interior of Elvendom, far removed from Rivendell and Lothlorien, unknown except by rumor, and untouched by The Great Evil, Elven smithies and visionists work all hours of night and day... labouring to overcome the creeping darkness.  Long have they fought against obscuration and aberration, inadequate eye relief and exit pupil, mechanical inadequacy... silently, almost without notice.  But there will come a day... a day when these mighty warriors emerge from their solitude and never ending strife to present to the world the finest optical devices the descendents of the Calaquendi could produce.  The Day of Reckoning is nearly upon us...  Rejoice, all ye who hunt, who take some joy in the shooting of fine rifles, who directly battle the foes of freedom... it is coming...



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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: June/27/2013 at 10:32
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Taz of the silver tongue clan.... Smile


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/27/2013 at 20:46
I don't care if they're made by elves in trees, caves or at the end of a rainbo, or any combination there of, or by Nordic Blacksmiths and Atlantis scientist. The two I use are dead nuts true, and I'm more than pleased, cause they're what I need.

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Posted By: hatton mann
Date Posted: June/28/2013 at 02:05
"For instance if I told you that our scopes are made in The Ping Pang Chow factory in Japan, what would you have learned about our products?"

The Chinese have an optics plant in Japan ? That's getting pretty darned tricky !

"We have taken a completely different approach with our products. They are not off the shelf, they are all custom, proprietary designs built to our specifications and our specifications are strict and tight with no compromises in regards to final product integrity. We keep the bean counter out of all design meetings (sorry Mom). If we can save 50 cents by making something out of plastic instead of an alloy we typically opt to spend an extra 50 cents and make it out of hardened steel. Same with our glass and coatings recipes."

That's how I would do it,,, !


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: June/28/2013 at 05:37
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Thank God thats the way SWFA does it!!! Excellent  Excellent  Excellent


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Posted By: KrazeLegs
Date Posted: July/09/2013 at 18:46
I think the tubes are made by Vulcan himself, they are reallllly tough!!



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