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Topic: SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 Scopes FINALLY available!
Posted By: Brady
Subject: SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 Scopes FINALLY available!
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 15:33
The long awaited and long anticipated SS HD 1-4x24 scopes are FINALLY available!
All backorders and any new orders will start shipping 02-15-11.

The SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 takes new steps in quality and performance. Baring no expenses and designed to give the shooter the edge needed. The two new first focal plane MIL based reticles allow for unprecedented target acquisition at short ranges, yet still functional for long range precision shots. Matching 1/10 MIL turrets with 10 MIL’s per revolution available in exposed turrets or capped turrets. Daylight practical reticle offering 11 illuminated positions of intensity with an off setting in between each intensity.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48362.aspx - SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
•First Focal Plane Illuminated Donut (Circle/Mil-Scale)
•Exposed Turrets
$799.95

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48372.aspx - SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
•First Focal Plane Illuminated Donut (Circle/Mil-Scale)
•Capped Turrets
$799.95



http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48361.aspx - SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
•First Focal Plane Illuminated T (Circle/Mil-Scale)
•Exposed Turrets
$799.95

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P48373.aspx - SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
•First Focal Plane Illuminated T (Post/Mil-Scale)
•Capped Turrets
$799.95





















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Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 15:34
 


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 15:35
Super


Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:06
Do the turrets beneath the covers look the same as the exposed turrets?

Thanks


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:08
Don't think that is to possible based on the fact the exposed knobs are bigger than the caps on the covered ones.


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:16

Jump and SpinCall Me     Head Bang  



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:33
Interesting.

So, Brady, you are saying that the capped version with the donut reticle is available....

ILya


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Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:47
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Don't think that is to possible based on the fact the exposed knobs are bigger than the caps on the covered ones.


The caps look bigger than the exposed knobs to me.


Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:57
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Do the turrets beneath the covers look the same as the exposed turrets?

Thanks
 

Lower profile but still finger adjustable. You can pull it up and spin it back to zero then push it back down.



Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 16:57
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Interesting.

So, Brady, you are saying that the capped version with the donut reticle is available....

ILya
 
It will be on 02-15-11 Big Grin


Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 17:02
Both versions have a double battery module in the illumination rheostat. An included value that will become an option on future versions.
 


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 17:14
Very nice looking scopes!  I can't wait!!!

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Posted By: deadduck357
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 17:57
NICE, but you sure are making it hard to decide on which one. Capped or exposed, TOD or DOD, which combo ???


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 18:03
Just buy two, an exposed DOD and a capped TOD.  Big Smile  If you don't have two rifles needing scopes, now you will have an excuse to buy another rifle.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 18:31
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Just buy two, an exposed DOD and a capped TOD.  Big Smile  If you don't have two rifles needing scopes, now you will have an excuse to buy another rifle.

Therein lies the problem.  I want one (the scope I mean), but do not really have a rifle for it.

ILya


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 19:21
So tell me all the REALLLLLLLLY bad things about about the Pentax Gameseeker 4x, justifiable, so I can transfer the 4x Conquest to the .458 WinMag and get the SS1-4 for the Lott... of course they have to be observable, because my wife is going to look for and check every point...




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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 19:22
Man, that exposed turret scope looks like the perfect setup for my new AR.  Especially with a quick detach setup.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 19:35
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

So tell me all the REALLLLLLLLY bad things about about the Pentax Gameseeker 4x, justifiable, so I can transfer the 4x Conquest to the .458 WinMag and get the SS1-4 for the Lott... of course they have to be observable, because my wife is going to look for and check every point...



Do I have to give you all the good ideas?

Jeez... 

Option 1: 
Just tel your wife that you were replicating the "through the scope" shot, since those dipsticks at Myth Busters clearly do not know what they are doing.  Hence, you have to shoot the Gameseeker and that means you need a different scope for the Lott.

Option 2:
In case of zombie attacks, you need a well proven scope to be set up in QD rings.  Since Gameseeker has worked so well and you have total confidence in it, you plan to set it up as a back up for one of your rifles, hence the need for another to put on the Lott.

Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.

Should I go on or is this adequate?

ILya


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 19:42
Excellent   you thought this through ILya 


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 20:12
ILya, Dude, I don't have a scope on my .243BAR (I've been "hotswapping" to shoot the .243),  the 4x would be perfect for that for a zombie, or just about anything else, rifle for Lori and/or the girls.  Then the Conquest goes to the WinMag, the SS1-4 to the Lott.  If that doesn't work, Option 3 is "in effect".

 I think we've got this one.  It may take a few days to implement, but I see a SS1-4 in my future.  

Good going...


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Posted By: Griffin99
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 20:24
Crap, there goes more money!  Ilya, can anyone use #3 on you list or is it an exclusive offer?  


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Posted By: deadduck357
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 20:51
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Just buy two, an exposed DOD and a capped TOD.  Big Smile  If you don't have two rifles needing scopes, now you will have an excuse to buy another rifle.


Why not an capped DOD and a exposed TOD Wink


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 20:52
why not all 4


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 22:07
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

why not all 4

We expect nothing less of you, G... soon a picture of 4 of your rifles with the 1-4 on them all... It'll be a great picture.  How soon can we expect it????


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/11/2011 at 22:31
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:



Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.


Damn, I really like that one!  Would it be considered plagiarism if I used it?


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 01:15
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:



Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.


Damn, I really like that one!  Would it be considered plagiarism if I used it?

Yes it would be plagiarism, but that does not mean you can't use it.

ILya


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 01:18
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Excellent   you thought this through ILya 

Graham, this is just something off the top of my head.  Give me a few days to strategize and I'll come up with some really exotic schemes....


ILya


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 08:34
That picture will be ready sometime later this year KB, maybe in time for next years photo contest, being i sucked it up this year.....
 
ILya, I anxiously await the "exotic" schemes


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 10:58
The wait is almost over!

Having seen the first prototype (or second), I am very excited to see how the final product works out.  Hell, I told Chris I would buy the prototype (and that offer still stands.)

It should be a great match for many applications.


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Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 11:06
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

So tell me all the REALLLLLLLLY bad things about about the Pentax Gameseeker 4x, justifiable, so I can transfer the 4x Conquest to the .458 WinMag and get the SS1-4 for the Lott... of course they have to be observable, because my wife is going to look for and check every point...



Do I have to give you all the good ideas?

Jeez... 

Option 1: 
Just tel your wife that you were replicating the "through the scope" shot, since those dipsticks at Myth Busters clearly do not know what they are doing.  Hence, you have to shoot the Gameseeker and that means you need a different scope for the Lott.

Option 2:
In case of zombie attacks, you need a well proven scope to be set up in QD rings.  Since Gameseeker has worked so well and you have total confidence in it, you plan to set it up as a back up for one of your rifles, hence the need for another to put on the Lott.

Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.

Should I go on or is this adequate?

ILya


Once again, you are all heart.


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/12/2011 at 15:30
Outstanding!! Great job with the pics, Brady! Thunbs Up


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: February/14/2011 at 13:48
I can see now that this scope is going to cause me a lot of stress about my spending habits at the next KCR MG Shoot.

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Posted By: tabeast
Date Posted: February/14/2011 at 18:58
Wow, what a new toy rush.  Ordered my SS HD 1-4 on Saturday (late) and got my "Back Order" notice today.  Last I saw, they were "available" Feb 15.  Guess the pre sale wiped out the first lot (at least of my version).  Any clue when the second ship docks?  


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/15/2011 at 10:00
That notification was computer generated because technically they won't be in stock until Feb. 15.
 
You are shipping today.


Posted By: tabeast
Date Posted: February/15/2011 at 11:11
That's great.  I called yesterday to ask and the gentleman I spoke with said a week and a half at least.  But today - that works quite well!  Thank you.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/15/2011 at 17:03
UPS notification, mine is in the mail.

It's like Christmas - in February.  Or, as I like to think of it, Chris' belated Valentine's Day gift to me.

No homo, brother, no homo.


Pictures up tomorrow.


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Posted By: rreynol
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 06:26
Mine will be here Friday.  What size butler creek covers do I need for this?


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 11:03
Finally, my idiot UPS guy didn't screw up, the brown-cloaked Santa just rang my doorbell, the SS1-4 is here.  Mine is the uncapped turrets, circle reticle.

I was fortunate enough to play with the prototype, and am very impressed with the final product.

It will be mounted this afternoon, photos to come later today.

First impressions:

1.  Turrets feel good, not too stiff, not too soft.  After spinning the turrets a few times (if yours initially feels "mushy", spin the turrets to distribute the grease, and all will be well), clicks are audible and tactile.  Clicks are well spaced, turrets are very robust, nothing moving that shouldn't be, nothing flexing that shouldn't.  I like the markings facing the shooter, reminding me of up/down and left/right changes.  It seems like a small thing, till you correct in the wrong direction because the scope maker saved a few pennies by not putting the reference marks on the turrets (are you listening, Hensoldt?)


2.  Glass is very nice, very sharp, very clear.  I'd say it falls in line nicely with the 3-9 and 10X HD trend.  Comparing to a Nightforce 1-4X, I really can't tell any difference in glass.

3.  I like the reticle.  I liked the initial reticle.  At 4X, the circle is heavy, but the target (when centered) is plenty visible.  I need to figure out the markings and check for accuracy.  It is clear and sharp and I like it.

4.  The illumination issues that plagued the prototype are gone.  (For clarification, the initial prototype had an issue with illumination bleeding out of the reticle and filling the tube.)  Bleeding is gone.  At the highest setting, it is bright enough for daytime use, but light isn't filling the tube, just illuminating the reticle.  The extra battery compartment is really, really nice; as are the half-clicks on the illumination scale.  Rather than having to back it down to zero, they have added a half-click stop where you can park the illumination rheostat next to the needed intensity but have it turned off, and just a click away from on.  For those that have worked with other illumination systems, this is going to make you hate many other ill systems (IOR, Premier...)  

5.  Eye box is nice and long - and pretty forgiving, more so at 1X but not bad at any power setting.

6.  No tunneling (I hate tunneling.)  

7.  Fit and finish are very nice, nothing rattles and nothing moves without intention and purpose.

All in all, it is a fantastic little scope.  I will have it mounted later today and will snap a few pics.  It will be on the range soon for its initial trials.  The prototype held up well to some abuse, I expect nothing less of this one..

For those on the fence, I'd take this over the Trijicon any day, same is true of the Nightforce (if only for the better  illumination system - and the $500 savings over the Nightforce 1-4X.)

I have yet to handle a Premier 1-4 or PST1-4, that may be a comparison that needs to happen soon.

More to follow.


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Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 11:07
Originally posted by rreynol rreynol wrote:

Mine will be here Friday.  What size butler creek covers do I need for this?
 
19 Eye
02A Obj


Posted By: Utah
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 12:23

I'm very impressed. I was lucky enough to get to spend time with the prototype of these scopes a few months ago and was hopeful that the production models would be as nice as the prototypes. I'm happy to say that the production models are better. The prototypes had a rheostat adjustment on the illumination knob. The production model has 11 positions with an off setting between each setting so you can keep the position near your favorite setting. The knob also has a compartment to keep a spare battery in, nice touch.

The eleven illumination settings run from dim enough to only be practical in total darkness to daylight practical/visible. If anything it is slightly brighter than the prototypes whose picture you may have seen in various posts.

The elevation and windage adjustments are crisp and offer enough resistance to make accidentally changing them unlikely, (I have the exposed knob model). The adjustment increments are .1 mils with 10 mils per rotation.

The glass is better than I usually buy. I own several Leupold VXIIIs, Vortex Vipers, Weavers, Bushnells and this is the best glass I own by far. It is a professional grade optic.

The finish is a black mate and appears to be pretty rugged and the same finish that the prototypes had. I know the prototypes passed through several hands before I received them. I mounted them in a SWFA mount and GG&G QD mount. How many times they were mounted I don't know but when I sent them back I could not see any ring marks.

I got the circle reticle that, coupled with the FFP feature, allows you to "switch" between a red dot like reticle to a mil dot reticle with .1 mil adjustments and 10 mils per rotation. This design shows that SWFA is not afraid to think outside the box, This is not another "Me to" BDC that depends on a specific caliber, bullet weight and barrel length for its accuracy. Rather, it is a flexible system that allows you to come up with an accurate drop chart for any caliber, bullet weight or barrel length. The mildot can also be used as a BDC if you know your trajectory and distance.

I also got one of SWFAs new mounts (manufactured by BOBRO). One was loaned to me when when I tested the prototypes and it is excellent. The "Low, slightly forward" product number SWFA201300 places the SS 1-4 HD perfectly on an AR. I've used GG&G for years for flat top optics on an AR with out much thought. This mount has an excellent fit and finish and one feature that sets it apart, The lever that releases and tightens the mount to the rail has a lock on it that must be pushed down to release it.

I'll post pics after I mount it.

Thanks SWFA you have exceeded my expectation....again.

 



Posted By: rreynol
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 14:15
Need more pics for those of us that don't live within 1 UPS day of Texas! Big Grin


Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 14:52
Here is SVT Tactical's SSHD1-4x24TC mounted on his Savage.17hmr until his 450 Bushmaster comes in, in a couple of weeks.


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 14:57
Here is Trays7940's SSHD1-4x24TC mounted on his Winchester model 70 in .338 Win Mag. Dangerous game application. When your life counts on it durability and functionality is a must.
 


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 15:00
Close up


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Posted By: deadduck357
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 15:54
Chris, y'all still working on the BDC version ?


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 17:12
First pics, more coming.










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Posted By: deadduck357
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 20:18
Hello,

Have read you have one and have had previous experience with the prototypes. Are you having any issues with your 1-4x SS ? Chris sent me one today and not sure what to say about it.

Todd


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 20:45
No issues with mine, everything works as it should.

I have it mounted but have not yet put rounds down range, that report will be coming shortly.



In what way are you not sure what to say about it?


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Posted By: deadduck357
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 20:55
Well its dark now and didn't get a chance to play with it while sun was up. Will play with it tomorrow.


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 21:06
Those look so effin' sweet ...

Looks like another "need" is comin' my way.


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Posted By: Trays 7940
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 21:57
Forgot the pic...


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Posted By: Trays 7940
Date Posted: February/16/2011 at 22:00
Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Here is Trays7940's SSHD1-4x24TC mounted on his Winchester model 70 in .338 Win Mag. Dangerous game application. When your life counts on it durability and functionality is a must.
 


Hey, I like this one!!!  Big Smile
Thanks for the work Chris!  Excellent


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Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 07:18
Someone needs to put one on an AR-15.  We need to know if the ocular bell will clear a folded rear BUIS.
 
 


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 07:57
As soon as I get my new 450 upper i will get a picture of this for you.


Posted By: rreynol
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 07:58
I don't see why it wouldn't.  It looks to be about the same size as the 3-9x model on the back end.  I have one of those on an AR-15 in a Larue LT104 and the Troy folded sight fits under it fine.


Posted By: lumberjack149
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 08:02
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Someone needs to put one on an AR-15.  We need to know if the ocular bell will clear a folded rear BUIS.  
The swfa picture on the first page has it in a Bobro mount with plenty of clearance (not sure which BUIS they were using).
Better yet... someone needs to buy the capped version with the DOD reticle, then decide they dont want it and have swfa put it on the sample list so i can buy it discounted. Then ill post pictures for you.
A year ago i planned on buying the vortex PST 1-4 due to the price difference but after seeing how these SS 1-4 turned out i think i might have to save some more cash up (just have to hide it from the wife). Still curious on how the one with a BDC version would have turned out tho.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 08:09
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Someone needs to put one on an AR-15.  We need to know if the ocular bell will clear a folded rear BUIS.
 
 

In the AD Recon mount, mine wouldn't clear the YHM BUIS.

It's a crappy pic, I'll get some decent ones up later today.



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 11:51
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Someone needs to put one on an AR-15.  We need to know if the ocular bell will clear a folded rear BUIS.
 
 
That will vary with every mount made but to be most effecitve it would need to be a quick detachable ringmount.


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 11:52
Just my honest opinion on these is that you wont' need back up sights as these are built to dang tough to break anywaysBucky


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 12:05
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Someone needs to put one on an AR-15.  We need to know if the ocular bell will clear a folded rear BUIS.
 
 

I am guessing that would depend on the specific BUIS and the mount.

ILya


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Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 12:10


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 12:20
Boy do I wish we could get the illumination on the 3-9 model.  Any chance of that in the future?

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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 12:50


ADM Mount, Troy folding Battlesights.


Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 13:21
Can't get enough pics right? 
 


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 13:31
Thats right, lettem' fly!
 
BTW  everyone rub it into Cheaptrick that I got my 1-4 SS before himBucky 


Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/17/2011 at 13:59
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

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That will vary with every mount made . . .
 
Thank you Capt. Obvious.  Wink 
 
I suppose I will be more specific;
 
I'd like to see some pics of this scope mounted on an AR-15 with a rear BUIS.  That way we can get a better idea of what mount and BUIS combinations allow clearance.
 
I will be submitting a picture of a Troy BUIS and set of Leupold rings this weekend.
 
 


Posted By: rreynol
Date Posted: February/18/2011 at 20:48
Question for those of you that have received them.  I got mine today and seem to have an issue with the illumination knob.  Sometimes when switching to an 'on' position, it doesn't come on immediately.  You'll either have to switch it to the nearest off position and then back or fidget with the knob a little bit.  Have you noticed anything peculiar with your illumination settings?

Mine is the capped donut reticle, btw.



Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/18/2011 at 22:04
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

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That will vary with every mount made . . .
 
Thank you Capt. Obvious.  Wink 
 
I suppose I will be more specific;
 
I'd like to see some pics of this scope mounted on an AR-15 with a rear BUIS.  That way we can get a better idea of what mount and BUIS combinations allow clearance.
 
I will be submitting a picture of a Troy BUIS and set of Leupold rings this weekend.
 
 

Jason, you got two very similar responses from two very KNOWLEDGEABLE individuals.  So, Capt Obvious, perhaps your question was poorly stated.  You got appropriate responses to the question you asked.  


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/19/2011 at 12:49
Originally posted by rreynol rreynol wrote:

Question for those of you that have received them.  I got mine today and seem to have an issue with the illumination knob.  Sometimes when switching to an 'on' position, it doesn't come on immediately.  You'll either have to switch it to the nearest off position and then back or fidget with the knob a little bit.  Have you noticed anything peculiar with your illumination settings?

Mine is the capped donut reticle, btw.

 
I had one do the same thing and I just stretched the spring out a little in the battery lid and it fixed it.  Just not making good contact.
 
If that does not fix it holler at me via email mailto:chris@swfa.com - chris@swfa.com
 
 


Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/19/2011 at 15:53
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

 
Jason, you got two very similar responses from two very KNOWLEDGEABLE individuals.  So, Capt Obvious, perhaps your question was poorly stated. 


Way ahead of you . . . hence my second attempt at being more specific. It's funny though, a few guys knew what I meant. They must be less knowledgeable.  BTW, why it is that you know me, but I don't know you?

Back on topic, I'd like to report that my setup doesn't work with this scope.  I'm running a CASV-M rail and a pair of LaRue LT-719 rings. This combination gives me a center line height above the receiver of 1.41".  It won't clear a Troy BUIS.  It interferences by about 0.005" - 0.010"

I did not have this problem using this exact same setup with a 1-4x Nightforce.

It appears a center line height of around 1.50" or higher is required, at least with a Troy sight.  If you own any of the below, be advised;

Armalite one-piece mount  (1.25")
DNZ Dednutz  (1.375")
Nightforce Unimount  (1.40")
LaRue LT-158  (it's gonna be very close @ 1.44")














Posted By: flascot007
Date Posted: February/19/2011 at 17:35
I have jumped off and have traded my Leupold CQT and my Trijicon TR 24 for 2 of these with exposed turrets and the DOD. Can't wait to get them. I believe I have actually traded up.

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Posted By: flascot007
Date Posted: February/19/2011 at 17:40
Originally posted by flascot007 flascot007 wrote:

I have jumped off and have traded my Leupold CQT and my Trijicon TR 24 for 2 of these with exposed turrets and the DOD. Can't wait to get them. I believe I have actually traded up.


Oh, I forgot to mention I'm getting them with the SWFA Bobro mounts.

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Posted By: rreynol
Date Posted: February/19/2011 at 18:52
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

I had one do the same thing and I just stretched the spring out a little in the battery lid and it fixed it.  Just not making good contact.
 
If that does not fix it holler at me via email mailto:chris@swfa.com - chris@swfa.com
 
 


I tried that and it did not resolve the issue.  I've exchanged a couple of emails with Brady.  He made the same suggestion.  I forwarded you the last email I sent him. 


Posted By: akula88
Date Posted: February/20/2011 at 08:47
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

5.  Eye box is nice and long - and pretty forgiving, more so at 1X but not bad at any power setting.


I'm planning to mount one on my 16" AR15 with collapsible butt.  I'm not really an NTCH, but about an inch back.

With 3.75" eye relief  --  which Larue 30mm mount would you recommend?   LT-104 (standard) or LT-139 SPR-Extended?

I mounted my TR24 with a LT-104 and had some mixed feelings, especially in prone position.



Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/20/2011 at 09:49
I got mine, (donut/X-caps) last week!! 

Haven't had time to mount yet, but will by next weekend. 




Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/20/2011 at 14:50
Also, is anybody running this optic on a bolt gun?  


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: February/22/2011 at 09:27
Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Here is Trays7940's SSHD1-4x24TC mounted on his Winchester model 70 in .338 Win Mag. Dangerous game application.
 


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: February/22/2011 at 10:11
sporty

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Posted By: lumberjack149
Date Posted: February/22/2011 at 15:44
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:


 I'm running a CASV-M rail and a pair of LaRue LT-719 rings. This combination gives me a center line height above the receiver of 1.41".  It won't clear a Troy BUIS. 
It appears a center line height of around 1.50" or higher is required, at least with a Troy sight.  If you own any of the below, be advised;
Armalite one-piece mount  (1.25")
DNZ Dednutz  (1.375")
Nightforce Unimount  (1.40")
LaRue LT-158  (it's gonna be very close @ 1.44")
 
You might find this website helpful if youre looking to compare different 1 piece mounts for an AR.
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/optics/one_piece/ar15_onepiece_mounts.htm - http://www.maxicon.com/guns/optics/one_piece/ar15_onepiece_mounts.htm


Posted By: aTX427
Date Posted: February/22/2011 at 18:29
Originally posted by Brady Brady wrote:

 
Brady, question on this mount. It looks like the rings are screwed to the flat section, which is screwed to the mounting section. Is this correct? If so, it would seem like there is a large tolerance stack up and potentially leading to alignment issues. Thoughts and are there any one piece alternatives?


Posted By: Bobro Engineering
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 00:02
My name is Andrew Bobro, and I own Bobro Engineering.
 
Brady of SWFA asked me to address the question as to the engineering of the 201 Series mount.
 
The main base that houses the BLAC attachment assembly has a keyed interface with the riser, The riser (sub-base) has a "male" key that self aligns with the base, and is secured via two 10-32 studs.
 
The rings are mounted in a channel. The rings are aligned due to the profile of the ring base and the machined channel, the system "self aligns" due to this interface. Much like a cylinder is aligned within a "V" shaped channel, our ring interface follows the same principle. By utilizing a radiused interface, the 200 Series rings are aligned but have full contact at the mating surfaces.
 
In a nutshell, the two assemblies are "keyed" to each other, and cannot be shifted forward/back/left/right once assembled.
 
Hope that answers the question!


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 07:20
Thanks for your response, Mr. Bobro!  Welcome to OT!

I hope you will stick around, as we all benefit from participation from manufacturer's reps.

I really like the design of your products!


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 07:28
Awesome to have another great vendor representative on the Board.  Welcome


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 07:33
Bi-pod Type 3 looks intersting also.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 15:18
Got mine today, what a beaut it is.






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Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 15:20
Slick.  Like the mount too.

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Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 15:31

Thanks for the clarification Andrew and welcome to the OT!

 

Brady



Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 15:54
Very nice ST.  I like


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 16:01
Originally posted by Bobro Engineering Bobro Engineering wrote:

My name is Andrew Bobro, and I own Bobro Engineering.
 
Brady of SWFA asked me to address the question as to the engineering of the 201 Series mount.
 
The main base that houses the BLAC attachment assembly has a keyed interface with the riser, The riser (sub-base) has a "male" key that self aligns with the base, and is secured via two 10-32 studs.
 
The rings are mounted in a channel. The rings are aligned due to the profile of the ring base and the machined channel, the system "self aligns" due to this interface. Much like a cylinder is aligned within a "V" shaped channel, our ring interface follows the same principle. By utilizing a radiused interface, the 200 Series rings are aligned but have full contact at the mating surfaces.
 
In a nutshell, the two assemblies are "keyed" to each other, and cannot be shifted forward/back/left/right once assembled.
 
Hope that answers the question!

Thanks for the explanation, Andrew!
And welcome to OpticsTalk!

I heard you are in California somewhere.  Are we anywhere near each other? I am in Ventura county.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 16:03
ST what you got loaded up there on th edge of the picture?


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 16:10
223 wssm

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Posted By: Kiba
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 16:35
My 1-4 T-reticle and Bobro mount arrived yesterday. It's my first SS scope and so far I'm extremely happy with it. Hoping to get some trigger time with it on Sunday if the weather breaks or possibly take Monday or Tuesday off if I have to. Big Grin

Back to the scope... great build quality, excellent glass, knobs that are stiff enough to avoid accidental rotation but still have well defined clicks, and daylight-usable illumination. Great reticle design. Box test of the knobs was good as was reticle scaling.

A very versatile scope for sure, it's replacing a TA01 ACOG on my 16" AR I use for some paper work but mostly for steel plinking and coyotes. The ACOG has a reputation for being tough as nails and having good glass but the versatility of the 1-4 power made it well worth the switch.

Initial impression of the T-reticle is that it's fairly quick for close work and great for longer work at 4X because of the traditional and more "open" field of view-- however it takes me a moment to center the 3 posts on a target at close range.

Just when I thought I was happy I found Jon A's post with pics of the T-reticle and Donut reticle with both close and distant targets and day and night. Based on taking quick glances at those reticle pictures the donut really grabs your eyes and immediately centers itself on the target on 1X. Based on his pictures for close work the donut is the winner IMO but I'm still undecided if I can live with its more "busy" view at 4X which also partially obscures the area around the target.

Last night I had second thoughts about the T-reticle and started wishing I had purchased the donut reticle (or at least had both in my hands simultaneously for back to back testing!) I had nearly talked myself into keeping just the T-reticle until Chris Farris stepped up with an offer I couldn't refuse. A donut reticle and another Bobro mount is on the way for back to back testing. Excellent

Can't wait to get some trigger time behind both reticles to decide which one I like better in "real life." I need to decide if I want the cleaner 4X view of the T-reticle and sacrifice some 1X close range speed or if I can deal with a slighly more "cluttered" 4X view for the faster 1X close range target acquisition of the donut.

Kudos to Bobro as well, I've used LaRue and ARMS mounts in the past and being a mechanical engineer I'm very impressed with the Bobro mount. The locking mechanism and lever lock are IMO excellent designs, both sturdy and easy on the rail. My only gripe is the ring screw/nut arrangement; besides being uncommon (I'd hate to lose one) the nuts over the lever lock are difficult to get a torque wrench on without having a crowsfoot at your disposal. Once mounted the smooth top rings are a very sleek look. Personally I'd sacrifice a bit of the cosmetics for easy torque wrench accessibilty of top-mounted fasteners.



Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 16:49
Welcome to the OT Troy!
Thanks for your take on the ret.

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Posted By: Kiba
Date Posted: February/23/2011 at 17:21
Thanks!

I'm very impressed with the glass quality in this scope. For the price I was expecting glass clarity in between my Bushnell 4200s (3x 3-12 FFP's and a 6-24 x 40 SF mildot between my rimfires and air rifle) and the IORs on my centerfires (3x 3-18 x 42 FFP and 1x 3-18 x 50 FFP) but being biased towards the 4200 side of glass clarify.

After doing back to back lookthroughs at the same objects last night through various scopes I'd put the glass clarity much closer to the IOR end of the spectrum than the 4200 end of the spectrum. To say I was pleasantly surprised is an understatement.

A couple friends have looked through the T-reticle I have on hand and are seriously considering buying their own once their tax refunds come in.






Posted By: aTX427
Date Posted: February/24/2011 at 11:54

What is the minimum center to the top of the rail dimension for use with this scope?



Posted By: glock24
Date Posted: February/25/2011 at 08:15
Originally posted by aTX427 aTX427 wrote:

What is the minimum center to the top of the rail dimension for use with this scope?

 
I'm assuming your question relates to an AR-15, and the answer really depends on what (if any) rear BUIS you are running beneath the ocular bell.
 
For example, I'm running a very low- profile Troy BUIS, which (when folded) sits about 0.46" above the rail.  In order for my SS ocular bell to comfortably clear, I needed a minimum of 1.50", which is very typical for many of the popular once-peice cantiliever scope mounts out there.
 
Off the top of my head, you'd be in trouble if you planned to use an Armalite, Nightforce, or Dead Nutz scope mount.  Or any riser/ring combination that sits lower than 1.5".
 
Obviously the other option is to buy a lower-profile BUIS.  In my case, I kept my 1.41" centerline height combination, and bought a KAC 300m micro rear BUIS.  Now I'm all good.


Posted By: Kiba
Date Posted: February/26/2011 at 01:41
I now have the donut and T-reticle versions on hand and was able to do some quick close range tests (out to 25 yards) today when I came home from work.

I tried both reticles at 1x on a USPSA target setup at 25 yards. Starting from low gun and using a timer I wanted to see how fast I could shoulder the gun, get in the scope and on target and fire a single round. I'm not a 3-gun guy (yet) but I figure this was a good test for how quick each reticle was at close range. The donut reticle was not only a little faster from buzzer to shot but more telling was that the shot placement was more accurate compared to the T-reticle. Not by much but between the timer and targets it was readily apparent which reticle worked better for me at close range. The donut really grabs your eye and naturally centers itself on your target. With the T-reticle I was forming a quick sight picture using the 3 inner posts. It wasn't as intuitive as the donut and that showed in the times & shot placement. Both reticles got the job done but the donut was simply more effective.

While I didn't get a chance to shoot at any longer ranges (that will come tomorrow, Sunday, or Monday) I did take both scopes out and look at objects between 100-300 yards on 4X. Here the T-reticle has the more open and uncluttered view. The T-reticle is my preference at 4X.

With the donut reticle on 4X the now large circle isn't as much as a view obstruction as I thought it would be. However, I found it has another effect: I naturally wanted to center the target not only on the crosshairs but also in the circle-- which is OK as long as you don't want to do any holdovers. I very quickly noticed that I simulated a holdover I would catch myself trying to recenter the target within the large circle. The secondary circle is a real magnet for centering an object on 4X and I had to think about it and make an effort to maintain the holdover. I wasn't expecting that. I'm sure it will be easy to overcome with some use & practice.

Random thought... If SWFA could change the magnification range to say 1-6X, keep the current donut-reticle design but and scale the reticle in conjuction with the wider magnification range such that the secondary circle goes out of the field of view entirely leaving only the inner crosshairs at maximum magnification that would be fantastic. All the advantages of the donut at low powers and no FOV obstruction or donut "distraction" at higher powers for longer range work. In my opinion that would truly be the best of both reticle designs.

In summary... I still can't decide which one I want to keep!


Posted By: aTX427
Date Posted: February/26/2011 at 09:37
Originally posted by glock24 glock24 wrote:

Originally posted by aTX427 aTX427 wrote:


What is the minimum center to the top of the rail dimension for use with this scope?


 

I'm assuming your question relates to an AR-15, and the answer really depends on what (if any) rear BUIS you are running beneath the ocular bell.

 

For example, I'm running a very low- profile Troy BUIS, which (when folded) sits about 0.46" above the rail.  In order for my SS ocular bell to comfortably clear, I needed a minimum of 1.50", which is very typical for many of the popular once-peice cantiliever scope mounts out there.

 

Off the top of my head, you'd be in trouble if you planned to use an Armalite, Nightforce, or Dead Nutz scope mount.  Or any riser/ring combination that sits lower than 1.5".

 

Obviously the other option is to buy a lower-profile BUIS.  In my case, I kept my 1.41" centerline height combination, and bought a KAC 300m micro rear BUIS.  Now I'm a
ll good.


Yes, flat top Colt 6920 that has a removable handle mounted rear buis, so I really only need the ocular bell diameter. I was hoping to use a Badger uni-mount.


Posted By: Chrome223
Date Posted: February/26/2011 at 16:30
The bell seems to be 1.735" in diameter.  







Posted By: Chrome223
Date Posted: February/26/2011 at 16:31

2nd attempt attaching photo



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