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Topic: best bullet for the money..........
Posted By: bobaldoo
Subject: best bullet for the money..........
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 00:22
was wondering which bullet you all think would be the best bullet for all around performance in 165/180 grain going around 2800 to 3000 fps..was looking at the SST(100 bullets = 40$)but was told they dont stand up well for bigger game, the nosler partition,hornady GMX and most of barnes are all a buck a shot.... which is the best all a bullet for the buck..............

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Posted By: gulf1263
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 04:20
Question one is what are you hunting?
Question two is do you care about being successful?
Next to bullet placement, bullet performance is the next most important factor.
An expensive bullet that helps down the animal is much cheaper than one that wounds the animal and allows it to escape and die.
In many states the hunting regulations say if you wound an animal it is the same as taking it..you could lose a once in a lifetime chance for a trophy or if hunting on private land you may be declared persona-non-grata.
Using cheap bullets to hunt dangerous game will get you or someone else maimed or killed.
Higher velocities require better bullets, in your case at the minimum you will need a Nosler Accubond or Swift Sirroco in case you have to take a shot close in.
These bullets work well for deer up through elk.
Tougher game means you will have to go with Nosler Partion, Swift A-Frame, Lapua Naturalis, Barnes TSX, etc.
You will only need about twenty five to fifty rounds to actually hunt with over several years, most being fired to sight in your rifle each year.
Think of results, not cost.
Art





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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 09:25
Bullet placement is the key...If the bullet goes where you want it to, the animal goes down. From your listed velocities, it sounds like you are shooting an '06. And from my personal experience if you hit them in the boiler room they go down. If you don't think your bullet has the penetration to punch through the shoulder, go behind it! For me, accuracy is always the key. If  the bullet doesn't come out the other side, who cares as long as the animal is dead...

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 09:32
Sierra game kings are great bullets and much cheaper than all the premium stuff

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 10:17
For cheap bullets, I have had great success with the Hornady BTSP Interlock bullets.  Dropped many animals with them out of many different guns.  Cheaper than the SSTs and I like them better.  The SSTs are too explosive for me.  Had one hit and elk in the shoulder at 80 yards and it didn't even go through the shoulder.  The BTSP do.

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 10:39

Amaxs work well also, But gulf post is correct, we really need more info on what you intend to hunt!  



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Posted By: bobaldoo
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 14:06
mostly deer and elk,sometimes moose depending on my draws.. i was looking at sierra gameking, hornady interlock and interbonds...i used the gameking before i started reloading in federal premium and they were second to none when it came to accuracy but was unsure how well they would hold up with a large animal like a moose.....

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Posted By: DCAMM94
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 16:05
The interbonds are a great bullet also.  Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have the same secant ogive and sectional density as their interloc cousins.  Not too expensive to check that out, especially at the range, to determine if they shoot well.  I've had good luck with them.  However, with all of that said, my $$ on hunting bullets has been going with Barnes and Nosler lately.  I don't hunt deer with it, but just two days ago I took TWO hogs, one running, one standing, with 55gr TSX bullets from my .223 Rem.  Shot placement is the key, as on hogs I shoot for the ear, but those bullets expand, hold together, and penetrate.  I personally believe that Barnes has changed the game on hunting bullets, and give more penetration, expansion, and wound channel in a lighter bullet than their heavier cup and core and bonded counterparts.  Shoot what you want, but after my testing, my hunting loads have been either Barnes or Nosler partitions.  Here's some gratuitous self promotion for your Saturday (my two Barnes kills from this week):



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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 16:41
Originally posted by bobaldoo bobaldoo wrote:

was wondering which bullet you all think would be the best bullet for all around performance in 165/180 grain going around 2800 to 3000 fps..was looking at the SST(100 bullets = 40$)but was told they dont stand up well for bigger game, the nosler partition,hornady GMX and most of barnes are all a buck a shot.... which is the best all a bullet for the buck..............
 
From an 06 or 300 mag I'm assuming ?


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 16:51
I like barnes tts.

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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 17:32
I've had good luck with both SGK and SST's, but when choosing these bullets I've always stayed on heavy side for calibre.

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Posted By: gulf1263
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 18:45
IMHO if you are hunting moose with a .300 Mag you will need a much tougher bullet in case you have to take a close in shoot or the animal does not co-operate and takes off, a backside to front side shot requires a much tougher bullet..I know this form experience.
You can use the less expensive bullets for deer through elk, buy the tougher, more expensive bullets for moose.
Again, the cost is not that great when compared to the cost of the rest of your equipment and the time and effort you will put in getting to your site and hunting.
A box of premium bullets is about twenty-five gallons of regular and maybe twenty gallons of diesel..cheap for the extra performance and peace of mind they provide.
Think of the results, a successful hunt..focus on those not all the other junk.
Art


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Posted By: bobaldoo
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 20:26
this load if for an 06..probably gonna stick with the hornady gmx, 100 bullet for 80 buck and seems to be very well constructed and groups well..was just wondering what the lower end stuff was like,i will give the SGK a try though....much appeciated and thanks..............

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Posted By: sakomato
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 21:28

The 200 gr Accubond is about 60 cents each.  They have a ballistic coefficient of .588 which is way up there. 

This is what they do on an Elk at 150 yds out of a 30-06

 
 
Shoot good out of 30-06
 
 
or a 300 win mag
 
 
DO NOT USE THESE LOADS IN YOUR GUN WITHOUT STARTING LOWER AND WORKING UP
 
 


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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: June/16/2012 at 22:56
Nosler fan myself...........

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Posted By: Dyelynn
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 10:13
the short answer to your question is, if you're putting the bullet in the right spot, any of the previously mentioned bullets will probably get the job done.  the SST's or nosler ballistic tips are probably not going to hold together as well as the monolithic or bonded bullets and thus won't be optimum for larger animals like elk or moose.  you'll also probably want to take a 180 grain bullet as a minimum for these animals for your .06.  a 180gr or 200gr barnes TSX is probably going to work better than a 165gr GMX, especially on moose.

hornady GMX = Barnes TSX
hornady interbond = any bonded core, accubond, ect bullet, incl nosler accubond
nosler partition = swift a frame, winchester xp3

these are all general approximations... meaning they're roughly equivalent

both the hornady gmx and the barnes bullets are monolithic, rather than having a lead core bonded in some way to a gilding metal jacket.  haven't researched the GMX as much, but the barnes bullets are constructed to expand in a clover leaf pattern for consistency.

the interbond/accubond all promise to have a different bonding method to keep the jacket from completely separating from the core, which is supposed to help control expansion and deliver more of the bullets weight consistently through an animal... listos: the bullet doesn't explode, but does expand

the sectionalized bullets (partition, aframe, ect) all have a gilding metal section that basically makes part of the bullet not expand, while allowing the other part to expand.  like the bonded bullets they promise more weight retention through-out expansion.

for the folks that tout sierra game kings... it's basically the same bullet as a remmington core lokt, or a soft point boat tail bullet.   you'd probably save a lot of money buying the remmys.




Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 11:53
Sierra Game kings are a lot like core-lokt's, except they have much higher BC's and are generally a much more consistent bullet. But other than that, ya pretty much the same thing...

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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 15:43
I've been fortunate to kill over 100 head of game in the last 41 years.  Mostly whitetails, mule deer, and aoudad, with an occasional elk and antelope.  Get what shoots best in your rifle and have at it.  Deer aren't hard to kill IMO with any of the hunting bullets today, from corelokts to partitions.  I personally do not like lead free, long for caliber bullets like Barnes X, etc.  I've found that the nosler partition is the most reliable hunting bullet ever made.  It performs as it should every single time.  That being said, I've killed lots of 'em with SST's, Hornady SP's, and IB's.   


Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 20:16
Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Nosler fan myself...........
 
same here. Ballistic Tips (actually Ballistic Silver Tips) are my go to bullets and have been for a long time. Not sure how effective that black coating is, but I can tell you all that I do less cleaning and more shooting w/o cleaning till I get back to the man cave. My 06 loves the 168 gr. and my 300 WM loves the 180 gr Ballistic Silver Tips. I also run the 140 gr BST's in my 280 Ackley. Nosler BT's and the BST's have proven to be the most accurate bullets in my rifles. I remember reading an article by Kenny Jarrett regarding the Ballistic Tips and in short he said that when testing his rifles during load developing and they don't deliver 1/2 MOA groups, he takes the rifle back to the shop to find out what's wrong the rifle.
If you need or want a tougher bullet, the Accubond is the way I'd roll for elk or moose, although in recent years Nosler has added a thicker/tougher jacket to the 30 cal 180's.
 
As some other's have mentioned, I've taken several decent sized bucks with Seirra Game Kings and they are pretty accurate too, although not as accurate as the Nosler's in my rifles.


Posted By: bobaldoo
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 23:43
dont know much about the barnes stuff but have been working with the gmx's and to a new relaoder not a big fan of how long they have to make the bullet being lead free to get to 165/180 gr. always in the back of my mind on how deep your seating the bullet and how much this screws with compression near the top 2 listed loads compared to a much shorter interlock ..anyways went out and purchased the hornady interlock, interbond and the nosler partitons give all three a try and whichever works the best out of my gun is the winner whatever the cost is........

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Posted By: PPD7800
Date Posted: June/18/2012 at 23:54

I’ll agree with JGRaider use what shoots best in your rifle. It is all about shot placement! If you can’t guarantee a perfect heart lung shot at you personal comfortable shooting/hunting distances then you probably should not take the shot.

 

I am a huge fan of SST and A-Max. More so of SST on four leg game and A-Max on two leg game. I have seen and took part of plenty ballistic test on gelatin using A-Max and it creates one hell of a temporary and permanent wound channel. I used Hornady .308 TAP 168gr A-Max on an Antelope, it was almost a strait on shot that entered the chest cavity and exited from the animal’s left shoulder taking out both lungs the heart and disintegrating the left shoulder to the point the leg was only attached by skin.

 

My friend used his 06 with a 150gr SST on his Speed Goat. He fired two shots and got two hits on him broadside. The hits opened the chest cavity with a huge U shaped hole from the brisket to about 8 inches in to the chest just gone. I know some people like bullets that retain almost all of their weight,  mushroom real well and penetrate all the way through the animal. Me, I want a bullet that will retain about 50-70 of its weight and give me about 20-22 inches of penetration. This puts plenty of devastation into the vitals.

 

I don’t have much experience with bonded stuff on live things but I will say, stay away from Federal bonded soft point. It groups real well at 100yds but I find I am lucky to hold minute of pickup truck at 400yds.  With that said test your ammo at distances you figure is you maximum shooting capability.



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Posted By: bobaldoo
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 00:20
both guys i go hunting with use SST in a 338win mag and a 300RUM and absolutely love them, last year the 338 hit a deer at 70 yard and dropped the it on the spot, the exit wound was about a 2" hole with most of the insides drawn out ...i think the biggest complaint about the SST is if you mess up and the exit wound become the shoulder it doesn't leave much meat....just from what ive heard....

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Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 11:39
@Sakomoto...
NICE SHOOTING!
Could you explain that first pic- the one with the bullet sitting in hair?

I really like the 200 gr. Accubond. It hits as hard from an '06 at 600 yds as a .30-30 150 gr. does at 50 yds., but doubt if I'd ever make a shot on game at that distance and unsure how they'd mushroom at that range.
The 208 gr. A-Max looks promising- shoot way out there. Thinly constructed... might have better terminal performance @ long distance than Accubonds, while up- close should mimic SSTs- have about decided that the SST is a sure stopper, but so is a bazooka.

It's important to practice with what you plan to shoot, so considering price, SST may be the best compromise.

Have had jacket separations from old-tech boattails/cup and core, etc, but most have still blown holes through the far side- they are now my practice bullets- now using modern tech, as in the Barnes and bonded- core bullets for hunting. I don't think it matters a whit what you hit 'em with- it's shot placement as well as damage to vitals. Complete pass- through is a worthy goal...

My handgun hunting loads are more than sufficient to go through a deer @ 100yds end-to-end and cut a big hole all the way through. They aren't hollow points...



Have gotten obsessive/compulsive on buying components and now have enough bullets in so many flavors (including oddballs) to burn through more barrels than I have barrels.
Ever seen a .308 Remington 180 gr. SPCL? How about a Hornady .308 175 gr. RN?
(not factory: re- swaged from .311).








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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 11:49
For anything but moose, probably about anything recommended so far will work. If I was going to hunt moose - which I haven't yet - it would be with a 200 or 220 gr. Partition loaded with a muzzle velocity of around 2300 fps. I've drilled right through elk and deer at close range with Accubonds loaded to 2750 fps. Most of the moose I've seen have been at ranges under 100 yards. And more than a few at less than 50. I'd expect while hunting to blunder into one in heavy brush at close range.

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Posted By: sakomato
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 17:35
Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

@Sakomoto...
NICE SHOOTING!
Could you explain that first pic- the one with the bullet sitting in hair?

 
Went clean through hitting rib going in and winding up lodged backwards on the far side.
 
DRT


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Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 19:36
Thanks sakomoto

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Posted By: Crosswire
Date Posted: June/19/2012 at 20:20
Not to rain on your question but we all use different bullets and I suspect we each think our's is the very 'best for the money.'  Bottom line is we gotta make our own choice after apprasal of our probable needs.   Not many of us 'need' a premium bullet but if we think it's 'worth it', it is. 
 
I don't need costly bullets.  I hunt deer and they really ain't all that hard to put down so and there are several bullets giving terminal results I'm perfectly happy with.  Bucky


Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: June/20/2012 at 19:37
Crosswire said;
"I don't need costly bullets.  I hunt deer and they really ain't all that hard to put down so and there are several bullets giving terminal results I'm perfectly happy with.  Bucky"
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That's pretty much hittin' the nail right on the head.

The only rifle that I concerned myself about terminal performance for a deer is an AR, for which I decided to use Barnes TSX. For all other (bigger) rifles, it really doesn't matter. I do like to shoot at targets way off over yonder and a lot of modern bullets with great ballistics are good for that, but they cost a bit more- which keeps me looking for when they go on sale.

Well, to backtrack a bit, I do have a stock of ammo loaded hot/hot with 180 gr. Partitions, but that's for big boar wallopin'... wouldn't want to just aggravate one of 'em up close.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/21/2012 at 06:03
 
 Yep.  Terminal performance is what determines my choices.  Afterall,I'm the one who has to do the butchering.  My main c&c bullets over the yrs have been the discontinued Nosler Solid Base(still got a few) and the Speer flat base Hot Cores.  As far a premium bullets go my son has settled on the 115gr Partition for an "all-arounder" in his .25-06 M70.


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Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: June/21/2012 at 10:53
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
 Yep.  Terminal performance is what determines my choices.  Afterall,I'm the one who has to do the butchering.  My main c&c bullets over the yrs have been the discontinued Nosler Solid Base(still got a few) and the Speer flat base Hot Cores.  As far a premium bullets go my son has settled on the 115gr Partition for an "all-arounder" in his .25-06 M70.
I was hoarding my last partial box of Speer Hot- cors as I'd thought that they were  discontinued, but i see Speer still makes them and they have always performed perfectly for me... would have mentioned them earlier but thought they were gone from the market.

I'd guess that historically the vast majority of deer killed in the US were by whatever was in the cheapest box of ammo available locally.


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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: June/21/2012 at 16:05
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
 Yep.  Terminal performance is what determines my choices.  Afterall,I'm the one who has to do the butchering.  My main c&c bullets over the yrs have been the discontinued Nosler Solid Base(still got a few) and the Speer flat base Hot Cores.  As far a premium bullets go my son has settled on the 115gr Partition for an "all-arounder" in his .25-06 M70.

Those Nosler solid base bullets are fantastic, as you well know.  Wish I could find some for my 7mag.  


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/21/2012 at 16:21
 
  Only Hot Cores I use now are the 270gr for my 9.3x62.  Used the 130gr in my buds .270 Win for many yrs.  GLAD they didn't discontinue the Hot Cores.
 
  Speaking of "discontinue".  Nosler dropping the SB caught me by surprise the first time but not the second.  I've got a fair supply of the .308 150's but they didn't bring back the 100's in .257 cal so I went with the 115 Partition.  I used the 140gr SB in my 7mm Rem Mag for the short few yrs I had it. Accurate with perfect(for me)terminal performance.


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Posted By: DCAMM94
Date Posted: June/21/2012 at 17:35
How do the 270gr HotCors do in the 9.3x62?  What type of ballistics do you see from them?  I need a shorter heavy pill for mine.  The 285gr TSX takes up too much case volume and is tough to seat with my dies (gets stuck in the seater plug and pulls back out because it's a compressed charge).  I like the hotcors and used to load the 150gr .308 when my BLR was a .308 Win.  That might be just the ticket for my 9.3x62.  Especially like the fact that it's what I call "semi-bonded."  Should be fine at 9.3 velocities either way.  Thanks.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: June/22/2012 at 07:55
im still using the good old sierra's in everything i own, except my .375H&H.  ive yet to have an animal get away from me. imo placement is more important than construction of the bullet.

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/22/2012 at 09:29
Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

How do the 270gr HotCors do in the 9.3x62?  What type of ballistics do you see from them?  I need a shorter heavy pill for mine.  The 285gr TSX takes up too much case volume and is tough to seat with my dies (gets stuck in the seater plug and pulls back out because it's a compressed charge).  I like the hotcors and used to load the 150gr .308 when my BLR was a .308 Win.  That might be just the ticket for my 9.3x62.  Especially like the fact that it's what I call "semi-bonded."  Should be fine at 9.3 velocities either way.  Thanks.
 
 
  I've only used the 9.3 270gr Speer on whitetail so far.  Seems the black bear don't want to co-operate.  But I'd expect similar results.  The first deer I shot with them I wanted to see the damage done when the poi can't be where you'd like so I shot the smallish buck through both shoulders(75yds or so broadside).  I got a caliber size entrance hole and about a quater size exit one.  Bullet ended up who knows where.  No blood gelled meat but a good bit of bone fragments as would be expected. I've read where the 270 Speer is too "soft" for larger game. Say elk size and up. I can't comment because I've never used them on such.  But I'd say that seeing what little damage was done on body of the buck I shot I'd not be concerned in trying them on the larger stuff. Maybe if you were to push the bullet at a higher velocity things would be different but at just over 2400fps out of my rifle's 20"bbl with GOOD accuracy I'm satisfied.
 
  Too long of a story to tell about the only two deer I shot with the .308cal 150gr Gamekings BUT when you push them fast and hit game up close things get complicated and MESSY.   


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Posted By: DCAMM94
Date Posted: June/22/2012 at 10:07
That's good information.  Thanks.  The only thing I've shot with my 9.3 besides paper is a south texas feral hog.  He was quartering to at 100yds and I put it on his closest shoulder.  Bullet was the Norma 232gr Vulcan.  Love it.  The hog was about a 150 pounder, so about deer sized in our parts, but obviously much tougher.  It hit him HARD.  At impact he was tossed 2 feet off the ground and almost turned a complete flip.  When he landed, he was DRT.  The vulcans (as opposed to the Orxy) aren't bonded, and I can push them from my CZ full stock (sounds like that may be what you're running, too) at over 2600 with no pressure signs.  If I was going for elk, I would probably think about the Oryx in the same weight, due to the bonded core.  Ballistics should be similar, if not identical.

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Posted By: bobaldoo
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 23:52
Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

For cheap bullets, I have had great success with the Hornady BTSP Interlock bullets.  Dropped many animals with them out of many different guns.  Cheaper than the SSTs and I like them better.  The SSTs are too explosive for me.  Had one hit and elk in the shoulder at 80 yards and it didn't even go through the shoulder.  The BTSP do.


thanks for the tip on the interlocks, it only my second load tested and im already under an inch, low cost and accurate exactly what i was looking for.....

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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 10:32
The Speer HotCor 165 grain flat-based bullets have been my absolute favorite in a .30-06.  The deer and antelope I've shot with them have been DRT (dead right there).  I haven't pushed them past 2800 fps, however.
 
I would expect the new DeepCurl version to be at least as good.  Given their construction, they should hold together even better at higher velocities.  You might want to give them a try.  If nothing else, this could give you an inexpensive target and deer load, and let you save the expensive bullets for actual hunts for larger animals.
 
Incidentally, the Speer web site shows .300 Win Mag loads for this bullet in the 3000 fps range.    


Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: July/06/2012 at 22:38
The thing I like best about those plastic tip bullets is their resistance to tip deformation. Just bought 400 soft points for dirt cheap and their lead meplats/tips are typically imperfect... shouldn't affect the groups too much. Over time, I've kinda developed a technique of spinning the lead nose on a piece of polished steel with my fingers to "correct" deformation a bit... doesn't help them in the magazine, though.

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: July/07/2012 at 10:20
 
  Yea,deformed tips do look bad but I doubt they affect hunting accuracy at the ranges most game is taken at.  BUT repairing them as you (and I Bucky) do can't hurt your confidence any.


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Posted By: Stevey Ducks
Date Posted: July/20/2012 at 14:52
I use Barnes tipped triple shocks.
 
They are pricy but how many bullets are needed to kill game animals like deer, elk and whatever.
 
My .30-06 combo is 168 gr Barnes tipped 3x with 58 gr H4350. I use the same load with 168 gr Hornady hpbt bullets and they group very closely and cost less then half as much. The Barnes bullets are seated deeper. Groups fired at 400 yds between the 2 need minor adjustments.
 
I load a 50 round box 20 Barnes & 30 Hornady's.
 
I have 2 short mags but see very little practical difference between them and the 06 except the long all copper 168 gr. Barnes bullets need to be seated very deep in the short mags to allow for a 2.8 COL.



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