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Topic: Scope cleaning
Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Subject: Scope cleaning
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 21:46
When scope cleaning I haved used rubbing alcohol, windex, and coton swabs and I still get streaks on my glass! Even though, Windex says streak free. What do you guys use to clean your glass?



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Posted By: GetSome
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 21:55
ZEISS Lens wipes has been working for me, available just about anywhere.  I think I picked mine up at Wall Mart.  Follow the directions and you shouldn't have any problems with streaks.  Remember to clean any debris off with a brush and don't try to polish the lens.




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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 22:27
Windex is not recommended for coated optical glass.

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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 23:18
+1 on the Zeiss.If you don't have the coin for Zeiss go to any store where they make glasses & I'm sure they will be able to help you out.

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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/25/2012 at 23:33
Thnaks guys!


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 01:13
If you have been using Windex on your scopes, chances are you have either damaged the coatings on the outer glass surfaces or left some odd stains on them (or both).  I would check with the manufacturers on whether they can recoat them for you.

ILya


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Posted By: kesi
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 03:38
I use lens cleaner that I got from my girl friend:
 
http://www.euronakup.cz/cistic-objektivu-50-ml-pi-175.html?zenid=fc61c9fd16966567abb8a6d71f24b77b - http://www.euronakup.cz/cistic-objektivu-50-ml-pi-175.html?zenid=fc61c9fd16966567abb8a6d71f24b77b
 


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 04:26
If I had a girlfriend, I wouldn't need lens cleaner because I'd be dead. (Wife only needs open sights to get that job done).
 
Zeiss wipes and cleaning fluid have worked best for me.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 06:46
I think about an 8000 grit sandpaper works as well as Windex...

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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 07:34
Another vote for the Zeiss wipes. My wife gets them @ Wally World.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 07:53
http://swfa.com/Parkers-Perfect-Accessories-C1021.aspx -
http://swfa.com/Parkers-Perfect-Accessories-C1021.aspx
or
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx - http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx
 
 
here is a pen to use first though
http://swfa.com/SWFA-Lens-Pen-P1850.aspx - http://swfa.com/SWFA-Lens-Pen-P1850.aspx


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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 07:53
I called Leupold awhile back and they said windex would be fine use. Maybe I should call them back up.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 08:02
I hope you wrote down that person's name and the time/date you called.

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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 08:24
The Tech guy said they use acetone to clean lenses so he said windex would not hurt the lens. I just hate those streaks! So I will call them back up.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 08:42
I would try some of the professional glass cleaners mentioned above.  Don't "scrub" to hard on any glass surface no matter what method you use.   A few swipes with a brush and then a quick squirt of air to blow off any particles then use the wipes above as directed on the packages.  This will be the best cleaning method you can do for normal use.  If its extremely dirty I'll use the brush then rinse under a stream of water, once dry I start the above process again.

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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 12:30
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Windex is not recommended for coated optical glass.
 
That's right.
 
You will remove every coating on the lenses. Amonia will strip it right off. Skull Wink
 
You need to use something that is amonia free. Zeiss is what I use as well as David.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx - http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx
 
For the exterior, I would just wipe it off with a lint free towel.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 12:56
Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:


Zeiss is what I use as well as David.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx - http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx
 


Interesting!  That's the first I've ever heard anyone recommend using David to clean lenses!

Good tip, bro!



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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 12:59
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:


Zeiss is what I use as well as David.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx - http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Lens-Cleaning-Products-C1154.aspx
 


Interesting!  That's the first I've ever heard anyone recommend using David to clean lenses!

Good tip, bro!

 


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 13:23


BS Flag


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 14:09
Just how do you use David to clean your lenses? Do use him in a circlar motion or back and forth? Do you chop him into small pieces and rub them on the lense, or do you shove the scope in an oriface and shake vigorusly until clean? Do you just give him the scope and he knows some super secret  method to clean the scope that no one else knows?
I must know how you use this David.


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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 14:14
Lynn,
 
I'll take him, shake him, put him and in a bottle and spray him. Then like scrubbing bubbles let him do all the work.


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 14:37
I just called Leupold, windex with a microfiber or other non-abrasive cloth will absolutely NOT harm their lens coatings... I have the call recorded.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 14:38
Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Lynn,
 
I'll take him, shake him, put him and in a bottle and spray him. Then like scrubbing bubbles let him do all the work.
WORKS FOR MEBig Grin


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 15:04
Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just called Leupold, windex with a microfiber or other non-abrasive cloth will absolutely NOT harm their lens coatings... I have the call recorded.

Probably another reason I don't much care for Leupold.  Try to find this article:

Gun Cleaning Clinic: Sport Optics - Getting A Clearer View

By: Steve Schmidt

I don't have  this recorded, except in memory...


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 15:19
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just called Leupold, windex with a microfiber or other non-abrasive cloth will absolutely NOT harm their lens coatings... I have the call recorded.

Probably another reason I don't much care for Leupold.  Try to find this article:

Gun Cleaning Clinic: Sport Optics - Getting A Clearer View

By: Steve Schmidt

I don't have  this recorded, except in memory...


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 16:37
I have never had reason to send a scope back to Leupold but, I have used their C/S for ordering dials among other questions etc. I have no reason yet to doubt them so if they say windex is fine to use and, they back what they say and their product... good enough for me.
Up to this point their C/S has been nothing less than stellar for me. Last year I bought a scope less than a week before antelope season it only took two days for them to get a dial to me with no shipping cost and... the dial worked flawlessly.

I do have a little 3oz bottle of "zeiss" lens cleaner I use says - made in cleveland ohio - the bottle of windex I have under my sink in the kitchen also says made in cleveland ohio... go figure??? For all I know that "zeiss" lens cleaner could be made by windex... who knows??

Anyones guess I guess

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 17:34
I've posted this before. This process works well for me:
 
  1. Holding the scope so the lens is pointing down, blow compressed air on it to get as much loose dust/grit out as possible
  2. LIGHTLY use a clean brush, such as on a Lens Pen, to get a little more off, mostly from the tube, not the lens
  3. Flush the lens with a non-ammonia-based cleaner. (Zeiss works the best of what I've tried)
  4. LIGHTLY pull a Q-tip across the lens in a spiral pattern, starting in the center and using each Q-tip only once until most of the cleaning fluid is gone:


    (Note: You can use 4-5 Q-tips at once to soak up more lens cleaner...just go lightly!)
  5. Use a clean lens cloth or the other end of a clean lens pen to gently remove any streaks. I keep a lens cloth in a baggie and always use just one side for this step, e.g. if there's a label on the cloth like Pentax, only touch that side with your hands. Keep the other side oil-free.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 19:48
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just called Leupold, windex with a microfiber or other non-abrasive cloth will absolutely NOT harm their lens coatings... I have the call recorded.

Probably another reason I don't much care for Leupold.  Try to find this article:

Gun Cleaning Clinic: Sport Optics - Getting A Clearer View

By: Steve Schmidt

I don't have  this recorded, except in memory...


Is this the article you are referring to?

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=12624/GunTechdetail/Gun-Cleaning-Clinic-Sport-Optics-Getting-A-Clearer-View


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 20:47
I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b.
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.

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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 20:58
A bottle of Zeiss lense cleaner is about $5. Even if you have to skip lunch, it's worth it.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 21:05
Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b.
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.


How right you are, as a matter of fact... I always slap on a fresh coat of rain-x every year just before hunting season starts, we get a lot of rain out here....



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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 21:55
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most
said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh
for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b.
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.


How right you are, as a matter of fact... I always slap on a fresh coat of
rain-x every year just before hunting season starts, we get a lot of rain out
here....



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So true... so true that "ZEISS" lens cleaner - made in Cleveland - is as good as it gets. Wink - wink

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/26/2012 at 23:37
Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b.
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.

I suspect it is mostly a matter of who you get on the phone.

I have talked to CS people of a variety of scope makers and the vast majority of them do not know how to spell anti-reflective coatings, much less how they work and what might harm them.

I would not use Windex on coated optics.

As for your miraculous discovery of th emanufacture of Zeiss optical cleaning fluid, I am sure it is the same optical cleaning fluid used by a variety of other optics makers.  I assure you that it is chemically different from Windex.  Not all bottles filled in Cleveland are Windex.

ILya


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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 00:00
Make sure ya have yer other cleaning aids handy:
 


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 00:42
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b.
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.


I suspect it is mostly a matter of who you get on the phone.

I have talked to CS people of a variety of scope makers and the vast majority of them do not know how to spell anti-reflective coatings, much less how they work and what might harm them.

I would not use Windex on coated optics.

As for your miraculous discovery of th emanufacture of Zeiss optical cleaning fluid, I am sure it is the same optical cleaning fluid used by a variety of other optics makers.  I assure you that it is chemically different from Windex.  Not all bottles filled in Cleveland are Windex.

ILya


Your probably right.
I just think it is funny, myself included how "brand" loyalty trumps common sense sometimes seeing a certain "brand" name means all of their products just HAVE to be good.
None the less... Leupold C/S will back their scopes no matter what "brand" of lens cleaner used and I am sure they are not the only "brand" with that C/S.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 07:45
Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just think it is funny, myself included how "brand" loyalty trumps common sense sometimes seeing a certain "brand" name means all of their products just HAVE to be good.
None the less... Leupold C/S will back their scopes no matter what "brand" of lens cleaner used and I am sure they are not the only "brand" with that C/S.
 
Really,  thats a pretty bold statement from someone who doesn't work there.  Say i clean mine in something that strips every coating away, ruins the glass, send it in and they dont pay for it.... am I to tell them to bill you because you said they would?   Don't make post that say a company WILL do something unless you yourself work there and represent them.  A lurker could take that as a voice of authority on the matter and be burnt because you ran your mouth when you have no right to do so. 
 
Also, not one person on here is brand loyal to zeiss cleaner, it just so happens no other scope company really puts any out thus the recommendation to use them..... they even said buy it at walmart.  Your misguided love towards all thing leupold and hating all things zeiss or any other brand for that matter is not needed. 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 08:12
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just called Leupold, windex with a microfiber or other non-abrasive cloth will absolutely NOT harm their lens coatings... I have the call recorded.

Probably another reason I don't much care for Leupold.  Try to find this article:

Gun Cleaning Clinic: Sport Optics - Getting A Clearer View

By: Steve Schmidt

I don't have  this recorded, except in memory...
I see you didn't like my pun...

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 08:15
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I see you didn't like my pun...
I didn't get it til just now.... good one

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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 09:03
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just think it is funny, myself included how "brand" loyalty trumps common sense sometimes seeing a certain "brand" name means all of their products just HAVE to be good.
None the less... Leupold C/S will back their scopes no matter what "brand" of lens cleaner used and I am sure they are not the only "brand" with that C/S.



 

Really,  thats a pretty bold statement from someone who doesn't work there.  Say i clean mine in something that strips every coating away, ruins the glass, send it in and they dont pay for it.... am I to tell them to bill you because you said they would?   Don't make post that say a company WILL do something unless you yourself work there and represent them.  A lurker could take that as a voice of authority on the matter and be burnt because you ran your mouth when you have no right to do so. 

 

Also, not one person on here is brand loyal to zeiss cleaner, it just so happens no other scope company really puts any out thus the recommendation to use them..... they even said buy it at walmart.  Your misguided love towards all thing leupold and hating all things zeiss or any other brand for that matter is not needed. 


Proper cloth with windex will not harm Leupold lens coatings... improper cloth with windex may very well harm the lens coating. From what I understand same deal with many other manufacturers... simple phone call to find out.

I may have a bit of "brand" loyalty just I have never had a bad experience with them. Their scopes just "fit" me and my uses what can say??

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 09:17
Girls, girls, your both pretty. Now can we get back on topic.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 10:25
Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I just think it is funny, myself included how "brand" loyalty trumps common sense sometimes seeing a certain "brand" name means all of their products just HAVE to be good.
None the less... Leupold C/S will back their scopes no matter what "brand" of lens cleaner used and I am sure they are not the only "brand" with that C/S.



 

Really,  thats a pretty bold statement from someone who doesn't work there.  Say i clean mine in something that strips every coating away, ruins the glass, send it in and they dont pay for it.... am I to tell them to bill you because you said they would?   Don't make post that say a company WILL do something unless you yourself work there and represent them.  A lurker could take that as a voice of authority on the matter and be burnt because you ran your mouth when you have no right to do so. 

 

Also, not one person on here is brand loyal to zeiss cleaner, it just so happens no other scope company really puts any out thus the recommendation to use them..... they even said buy it at walmart.  Your misguided love towards all thing leupold and hating all things zeiss or any other brand for that matter is not needed. 


Proper cloth with windex will not harm Leupold lens coatings... improper cloth with windex may very well harm the lens coating. From what I understand same deal with many other manufacturers... simple phone call to find out.

I may have a bit of "brand" loyalty just I have never had a bad experience with them. Their scopes just "fit" me and my uses what can say??

Windex with ANY cloth will over time harm coatings on Leupold scopes (among others).  However, if you use Windex you will probably end up sending the scope in for repairs before there is severe damage to the coatings simply because I would expect WIndex to destroy the seals in the scope faster.

ILya


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 10:52
Ghillie308, are the streaks on the glass visible when using the scope or just when looking at the objective and ocular lenses not in actual use?

Rustic, your posts surprise me again.  You do indeed love to generalize and extrapolate ( the "everything in Windex--ville is Windex" was priceless), don't get upset when your particular form of lunacy gets called out.  If Koshkin says one thing (regarding optics and probably everything else) and you say the opposite, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yet another few reasons I don't buy Leupold products.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 11:09
 
  I've been doing some reading online about what to use as a liquid cleaner on multicoated lenses.  ALL I've read says to stay away from ANY containing ammonia.  Ones that recommend something mention Zeiss. 
  My son's company provides them with pre-moistened wipes for in the field cleaning of their survey equipments lenses.  The Zeiss or B&L Sight Savers.  So far I've had GOOD results with both.  I don't have any of the Zeiss right now but the B&L packet notes that "While our products are safe,it should be noted that some coatings are fragile and will wear off over time regardless of the cleaning regimen used." I'm guessing they're meaning the more often you physically touch the lens to clean it the sooner the coating will wear off.
  One more thing.  The B&L box says their product has been tested independently by COLTS laboratory and has been found to meet their performance requirements as tested.  I haven't been able to locate that test but will continue to look when I'm able to.


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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 11:18
Ghillie308, are the streaks on the glass visible when using the scope or just when looking at the objective and ocular lenses not in actual use?

No you cant see the streaks when the scope is in use. But when you look at the lense from a side angle with the right light you can see it. and I like my glass to be clean.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 12:41
Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:

Ghillie308, are the streaks on the glass visible when using the scope or just when looking at the objective and ocular lenses not in actual use?

No you cant see the streaks when the scope is in use. But when you look at the lense from a side angle with the right light you can see it. and I like my glass to be clean.

You may be able to carefully clean those streaks off using a proper cleaner and microfiber cloth.

Windex and other cleaners not designed for coated glass leave streaks.  The coating underneath may or may not be damaged.  Depends on how much it was abused

ILya


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 13:37
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Ghillie308, are the streaks on the glass visible when using the scope or just when looking at the objective and ocular lenses not in actual use?

Rustic, your posts surprise me again.  You do indeed love to generalize and extrapolate ( the "everything in Windex--ville is Windex" was priceless), don't get upset when your particular form of lunacy gets called out.  If Koshkin says one thing (regarding optics and probably everything else) and you say the opposite, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yet another few reasons I don't buy Leupold products.


I must be crazy then... calling Leupold(among others) to ask what they RECOMEND to clean their lens in THEIR scope... THEN taking THEIR(you know... the scope manufacturer ;) word for it!!! Should I call their competition on what use for lens cleaning???

I'm not sure but, looks to I am not the only one guilty of "brand" loyalty. ;)

I will save everyone some time and call myself "out" --- I like leupold products!

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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 13:43


Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 13:49
Good news guys! I just got off the phone with the supervisor at Leupold and he went to go ask the Optical Engineer and she told him that Windex will not hurt their lens coating at all. The only thing it will do is leave streaks she said. But to be safe I bought some Zeiss lens wipes.Yippee


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:23
Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:

Good news guys! I just got off the phone with the supervisor at Leupold and he went to go ask the Optical Engineer and she told him that Windex will not hurt their lens coating at all. The only thing it will do is leave streaks she said. But to be safe I bought some Zeiss lens wipes.Yippee


Interesting. I too just got off the phone with Leupold's tech support and the individual I talked with also asked others in tech support as well as an optical engineer and they said absolutely no on using Windex. It leaves too much goop on the surface, is hard on the coatings and seals.

What is up with Leupold? Some say one thing and others say something else.

They said to use 90% or greater alcohol or go to a camera store and use the cleaning supplies they offer.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:23

OK, last time I am doing this, so pay attention.

Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:



I do have a little 3oz bottle of "zeiss" lens cleaner I use says - made in cleveland ohio - the bottle of windex I have under my sink in the kitchen also says made in cleveland ohio... go figure??? For all I know that "zeiss" lens cleaner could be made by windex... who knows??


This is idiotic, no way around it.  I could argue that Croucho Marx and Carl Marx were the same guy because you never saw them in a picture together - that would actually be smarter than what you say above.  


Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

I called several other scope manufacturers earlier most said windex is fine for their products. The ones said it is too harsh for their coatings were zeiss nikon s&b. 
So, it sounds like in most cases it is an non-issue on what "brand" of cleaner is used.

Again, idiotic: you claim to have asked about windex, then extrapolated to "use any brand."

And, for clarity: who were the companies that said windex is OK?

Please refrain from generalizations and extrapolations.

Ghillie, glad you got the answer you wanted, hope the coatings are OK.

Rustic, Zeiss and S&B are known for some of the best glass in optics, Leupold, not so much.  That Zeiss and S&B recommend against Windex is fairly telling, and that Leupold says it is fine is also insightful.  What did BSA and Countersniper say?  I would guess they said, "no problem!"



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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:24
 
  Seems the Zeiss are your safest bet.  I've used B&L to with no problems.
 
  Actually what you needed to know from Leupold is if the Windex with ammonia is safe to use.  They also make ammonia free glass cleaners.  Their 2012 catalog says to use pure alcohol,pure water,or a high grade glass cleaner.


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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:38
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:

Good news guys! I just got off the phone with the supervisor at Leupold and he went to go ask the Optical Engineer and she told him that Windex will not hurt their lens coating at all. The only thing it will do is leave streaks she said. But to be safe I bought some Zeiss lens wipes.Yippee


Interesting. I too just got off the phone with Leupold's tech support and the individual I talked with also asked others in tech support as well as an optical engineer and they said absolutely no on using Windex. It leaves too much goop on the surface, is hard on the coatings and seals.

What is up with Leupold? Some say one thing and others say something else.

They said to use 90% or greater alcohol or go to a camera store and use the cleaning supplies they offer.
    I asked would windex hurt the coatings and the engineer said no it would not. BUT and I say BUT they also said Windex is not the best thing to use because it is an oil and ammonia base and it will leave streaks on your lense. And they said if you left it on for long periods of time it could get behind the seals. "Hence not to use". But as for messing up the coatings it will not hurt it "UNLESS you leave it on for a long period of time". They ensured me that I did not hurt my optics.Big Smile


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:39
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Seems the Zeiss are your safest bet.  I've used B&L to with no problems.


I've used the Swarovski optics wipes, much like Zeiss brand , and they work great!!


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:42
I guess I can go back to 8000 grit sandpaper, now...

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:44
 
 Only on the ones you've found NOT to be bullet proof please.   Big Grin


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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:48
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I guess I can go back to 8000 grit sandpaper, now...
 
Dan, are you wetsanding????


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:48
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Seems the Zeiss are your safest bet.  I've used B&L to with no problems.


I've used the Swarovski optics wipes, much like Zeiss brand , and they work great!!
 
 
  I'm sure. I'd think any of the cleaners offered by the major optics manufacturers would be safe.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:50
Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:


Interesting. I too just got off the phone with Leupold's tech support and the individual I talked with also asked others in tech support as well as an optical engineer and they said absolutely no on using Windex. It leaves too much goop on the surface, is hard on the coatings and seals.

What is up with Leupold? Some say one thing and others say something else.

They said to use 90% or greater alcohol or go to a camera store and use the cleaning supplies they offer.
    I asked would windex hurt the coatings and the engineer said no it would not. BUT and I say BUT they also said Windex is not the best thing to use because it is an oil and ammonia base and it will leave streaks on your lense. And they said if you left it on for long periods of time it could get behind the seals. "Hence not to use". But as for messing up the coatings it will not hurt it "UNLESS you leave it on for a long period of time". They ensured me that I did not hurt my optics.Big Smile


Not arguing with you. I just posted what they told me. Like I said some say one thing and others say something else. It an 800 number so call again and see what they say this time.


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:51
Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I guess I can go back to 8000 grit sandpaper, now...
 
Dan, are you wetsanding????

 
 he spit sand's. His spit can take acid rain off a car hood and is safe for all rubber trim and is almost environmentally safe.


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 14:52
I find the frequent "is (fill in the blank chemical concoction) safe for cleaning lenses?" questions rather perplexing given that there's no shortage of optical lens cleaners specifically designed for that purpose available everywhere.

While there are probably multiple liquids that will work fine for lens cleaning without damaging lens coatings, one thing's for absolute certain... optical lens cleaning solutions (as the label seemingly implies) are totally safe and effective for that purpose, since they were specifically designed for that purpose.  Curiously, the stuff actually does a good job at cleaning lenses with no damage to delicate coatings too!  Who'da thunk it?  The same can be said for the chamois lens cleaning cloths that are often included in the box with new optics.

Which kinda begs the question... why worry about whether Windex, acetone, paint thinner, WD-40, diesel, goat's milk and whatever else is safe for lens coatings?  Why take unnecessary risks on your expensive optics when lens cleaning wipes/solutions are so inexpensive and readily available?  I could understand the urge to search for alternatives if the lens cleaning products were prohibitively expensive and/or only available by mail order, but neither is the case.

There's nothing magical about the word "Zeiss" on the Zeiss wipes / spray, since Zeiss doesn't manufacture it, except for the fact that, by putting their logo on the packaging, they obviously endorse its use on their optics.  The same solution is sold under different brand names (Nikon for one).  The reason the Zeiss wipes and lens spray is frequently recommended is not because it has "Zeiss" on the label, but the fact it's so readily available and it's inexpensive.  You can even get it at Wal-Mart.  Because I can pick up some more at the same time I'm buying spaghetti sauce, socks, and AA batteries, I too use the Zeiss wipes almost exclusively for cleaning optics these days.

I'm honestly not trying to be flippant here; I just don't get why anyone would take unnecessary risks with questionable products and spend time calling optics manufacturers to see which chemicals their lens coatings will withstand when a readily available, cheap solution is specifically designed for the task at hand.


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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 15:13
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:


Interesting. I too just got off the phone with Leupold's tech support and the individual I talked with also asked others in tech support as well as an optical engineer and they said absolutely no on using Windex. It leaves too much goop on the surface, is hard on the coatings and seals.

What is up with Leupold? Some say one thing and others say something else.

They said to use 90% or greater alcohol or go to a camera store and use the cleaning supplies they offer.
    I asked would windex hurt the coatings and the engineer said no it would not. BUT and I say BUT they also said Windex is not the best thing to use because it is an oil and ammonia base and it will leave streaks on your lense. And they said if you left it on for long periods of time it could get behind the seals. "Hence not to use". But as for messing up the coatings it will not hurt it "UNLESS you leave it on for a long period of time". They ensured me that I did not hurt my optics.Big Smile


Not arguing with you. I just posted what they told me. Like I said some say one thing and others say something else. It an 800 number so call again and see what they say this time.
I know your not arguing and neither am I; infact i appreciate you guys input. Basically when I told the supervisor that one Technision said a wile ago that windex was safe to use the supervisor did not understand why he told me that Because Leupold does not recommend the use of Windex. Not because it will take off the coatings "UNLESS it is left on for a relly long time". He said they don't recommend it is because it "leaves streaks on the lense", and if left for to long can get behind the seals. But he also told me that he was going to have a talk with some of the Technisions to stop telling people that if the did not have acetone or high grade glass cleaner that Windex will substitute for it. ....And thanks for all of the input guys I really do appreciate it alot.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 15:36
The Zeiss (or Nikon, or Bauch and Lomb) lens cleaning wipes/spray neither damages coatings, nor leaves streaks, nor damages seals.  As a bonus, it actually cleans lenses!  Don't let its name fool you; remarkably, it's so versatile, it will also clean other brand lenses equally as well as it does Zeiss lenses.  It would seem to have all the attributes necessary for a good lens cleaning product! Wink

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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 15:46
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

The Zeiss (or Nikon, or Bauch and Lomb) lens cleaning wipes/spray neither damages coatings, nor leaves streaks, nor damages seals.  As a bonus, it actually cleans lenses!  Don't let its name fool you; remarkably, it's so versatile, it will also clean other brand lenses equally as well as it does Zeiss lenses.  It would seem to have all the attributes necessary for a good lens cleaning product! Wink
Excellent


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 16:17
Even wetsanding, the 8000 grit sandpaper occasionally leaves streaks... Then I move to black or gray finishing pads...

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 16:24
 
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 16:32
I'll have to get back with you... I've been cleaning my camera lenses...

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/27/2012 at 16:53
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Seems the Zeiss are your safest bet.  I've used B&L to with no problems.


I've used the Swarovski optics wipesmuch like Zeiss brand , and they work great!!
 
 
  I'm sure. I'd think any of the cleaners offered by the major optics manufacturers would be safe.


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 00:39
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:



I find the frequent "is (fill in the blank chemical concoction) safe for cleaning lenses?" questions rather perplexing given that there's no shortage of optical lens cleaners specifically designed for that purpose available everywhere.

While there are probably multiple liquids that will work fine for lens cleaning without damaging lens coatings, one thing's for absolute certain... optical lens cleaning solutions (as the label seemingly implies) are totally safe and effective for that purpose, since they were specifically designed for that purpose.  Curiously, the stuff actually does a good job at cleaning lenses with no damage to delicate coatings too!  Who'da thunk it?  The same can be said for the chamois lens cleaning cloths that are often included in the box with new optics.

Which kinda begs the question... why worry about whether Windex, acetone, paint thinner, WD-40, diesel, goat's milk and whatever else is safe for lens coatings?  Why take unnecessary risks on your expensive optics when lens cleaning wipes/solutions are so inexpensive and readily available?  I could understand the urge to search for alternatives if the lens cleaning products were prohibitively expensive and/or only available by mail order, but neither is the case.

There's nothing magical about the word "Zeiss" on the Zeiss wipes / spray, since Zeiss doesn't manufacture it, except for the fact that, by putting their logo on the packaging, they obviously endorse its use on their optics.  The same solution is sold under different brand names (Nikon for one).  The reason the Zeiss wipes and lens spray is frequently recommended is not because it has "Zeiss" on the label, but the fact it's so readily available and it's inexpensive.  You can even get it at Wal-Mart.  Because I can pick up some more at the same time I'm buying spaghetti sauce, socks, and AA batteries, I too use the Zeiss wipes almost exclusively for cleaning optics these days.

I'm honestly not trying to be flippant here; I just don't get why anyone would take unnecessary risks with questionable products and spend time calling optics manufacturers to see which chemicals their lens coatings will withstand when a readily available, cheap solution is specifically designed for the task at hand.






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Posted By: hunterbob
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 06:15
Kickboxer
 I had been using Windex for over 50 years on my scopes that I have had, from time to time.
I never ruined one, but anything is possible. If Windex will ruin a scope lens; it can't be a very resilient coating, that's on it. Also I can see where a lot of scrubbing on a lens that has some small grit there can screw it up too. I can count on one hand how many scopes i have had.Get Your Popcorn Ready


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 07:36
Originally posted by hunterbob hunterbob wrote:

Kickboxer
 I had been using Windex for over 50 years on my scopes that I have had, from time to time.
I never ruined one, but anything is possible. If Windex will ruin a scope lens; it can't be a very resilient coating, that's on it. Also I can see where a lot of scrubbing on a lens that has some small grit there can screw it up too. I can count on one hand how many scopes i have had.Get Your Popcorn Ready
I'm extremely happy for you...  I, on the other hand, have NEVER used Windex on a riflescope and have never had a scratch on any lens at any time.  I can't remember ever  having had a streak.  I have had DOZENS of scopes... still have most of them, except for the ones I shot with my .458 Lott.
I've sold a few to people who wanted them more than I did and I've let a few go with rifles that I got rid of.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 07:52
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:



I'm honestly not trying to be flippant here; I just don't get why anyone would take unnecessary risks with questionable products and spend time calling optics manufacturers to see which chemicals their lens coatings will withstand when a readily available, cheap solution is specifically designed for the task at hand.




'nough said!!!  Excellent


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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 08:20
while sitting in the stand I use Peanut butter. I apply a light heavy coat and swirl in circles for about 5 minutes. I then wipe if off with a slice of white bread (wheat doesn't work as well). This not only cleans my glass but also polishes to a nice and bright finish. Doing this I get 10 1/2 to 12 3/8 percent better light transmittance. If the glass is extra dirty I use chunky Peanut butter and wipe it off with  non buttered toast ( I hate getting butter on my glass) it will dissolve the special UV coatings that gather light. This also make for a pretty good snack if your glass is clean while in the stand. Please do not try this. Is has taken me many many years to prefect this method of cleaning. If you do want to try this start with a cheap Leupold scope or bino's with a larger objective. The larger objective will allow you to get the swirling technique correct before you use it on a nice scope like a BSA or something of that line.

It really all boils down to " use what you want to use". Just remember to keep us posted on the customer service.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 11:02
 
 
  Get in out of the heat,Bd!!!!!!!!!


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Posted By: GHILLIE.308
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 13:58
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by hunterbob hunterbob wrote:

Kickboxer
 I had been using Windex for over 50 years on my scopes that I have had, from time to time.
I never ruined one, but anything is possible. If Windex will ruin a scope lens; it can't be a very resilient coating, that's on it. Also I can see where a lot of scrubbing on a lens that has some small grit there can screw it up too. I can count on one hand how many scopes i have had.Get Your Popcorn Ready
I'm extremely happy for you...  I, on the other hand, have NEVER used Windex on a riflescope and have never had a scratch on any lens at any time.  I can't remember ever  having had a streak.  I have had DOZENS of scopes... still have most of them, except for the ones I shot with my .458 Lott.
I've sold a few to people who wanted them more than I did and I've let a few go with rifles that I got rid of.
Well what do you use to clean your glass with Kickboxer?


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 14:36


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 15:58
Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:


Well what do you use to clean your glass with Kickboxer?



I should like to wager on that answer.

I bet he uses some product, explicitly designed and sold for the purpose of cleaning coated lenses, and a product that optics companies known for good glass recommend.
If anyone is wondering, I prefer the Zeiss moistened optics lense papers, preceeded by a bulb brush. If out of the wipes, i use alcohol and lense paper. If that isn't around, i leave the lenses dirty as hell till i can clean them properly. I have no streaks, no damaged lenses or coatings, and no damaged seals.

But maybe that's just me.

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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 16:01
Some coatings can take it some can't.   ;)

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/28/2012 at 18:21
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by GHILLIE.308 GHILLIE.308 wrote:


Well what do you use to clean your glass with Kickboxer?



I should like to wager on that answer.

I bet he uses some product, explicitly designed and sold for the purpose of cleaning coated lenses, and a product that optics companies known for good glass recommend.
If anyone is wondering, I prefer the Zeiss moistened optics lense papers, preceeded by a bulb brush. If out of the wipes, i use alcohol and lense paper. If that isn't around, i leave the lenses dirty as hell till i can clean them properly. I have no streaks, no damaged lenses or coatings, and no damaged seals.

But maybe that's just me.

Exactly what I do...


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Posted By: triple play
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 10:33
Not a lot of discussion about Parker's Perfect. Any expert comments or just informational comments?? I have used both Zeiss spray and wipes for years-still gonna fog up in the field. I have some Parker's that I thought  might help with that-I use it for a shower shaving mirror. Gonna give the guns and scopes a preseason check-up soon and wondered about the Parker's. Not a whole lot of info. in the search history either.


Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 16:28
Originally posted by triple play triple play wrote:

Not a lot of discussion about Parker's Perfect. Any expert comments or just informational comments?? I have used both Zeiss spray and wipes for years-still gonna fog up in the field. I have some Parker's that I thought  might help with that-I use it for a shower shaving mirror. Gonna give the guns and scopes a preseason check-up soon and wondered about the Parker's. Not a whole lot of info. in the search history either.


Like most of the well informed, I tend to keep it simple......Zeiss lens wipes and/or Zeiss lens spray cleaner.  Parker's Perfect helps eliminate fog on the outside of your lenses.  I don'd consider it a cleaner. 


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 17:31
 
  It does contain a cleaner but I wonder even though they say it dries crystal clear and they tell you how to apply it to surfaces such as scopes if the protecting film it leaves affects the quality of the image any.
 
  From their site:
http://www.parkersperfect.com/">Parkers Perfect - AntiFog Spray

About

Don’t allow fogged up eyewear and protective eyewear to stop you from doing the things you want or need to do! Use Parker’s Anti-Fog solution, to win the battle against external lens fogging, in cold, or hot humid conditions.

Parker’s is the longest lasting anti-fog spray, or dropper, solution on the market to date! For eyewear Parker’s recommends a daily anti fog application. Even though it last much longer! Parker’s does contain a cleaner, Helping to remove facial oil, hair spray, make up, and sweat, but first and foremost it was designed to help prevent lenses from fogging! Parker’s anti fog solution also leaves a protective film on the lens that helps reduce static, helps prevent scratches, and makes cleaning easier! Parker’s anti fog and cleaning solution has no lingering odor, no harsh chemicals, no abrasive ingredients, and it’s “Silicone Free”! All these features help Parker’s to be very environmentally friendly. And, make Parker’s the choice for companies big, or small, concerned about safety, liability, OSHA, and ergonomics.

Parker’s “Dropper Bottle” anti fog and cleaning solution was designed for optics, and should be used on them; Scopes, Binoculars, Camera Lenses, etc… (This is to control the application on fine optical equipment, which can be applied in the correct amount suited to the lens size, evenly spread to coat the lens surface with a film, then lightly wiped, or left to air dry, depending on preference.) But, the dropper can also be used on other applications as well; such as eyeglasses, sunglasses, goggles, safety glasses, etc…

Parker’s anti-fog cleaner is very diverse in application; the dropper is spectacular on scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, telescopes, etc…For working photographers; Parker’s cuts acclamation time on photographic equipment. The spray is recommended for manufacturing; protective eyewears, goggles, face shields, respirators, welding hoods, etc… Pressure washing, sand blasting, chipping, grinding, spraying, etc … On computer screens, lasting weeks, even in some of the harshest environments such as: casting, fabrication, assembly, finishing, maintenance, etc… Parker’s is a must for “HAZMAT” suits! For medical, dental, police, military, fire fighting, etc For all sports; hunting, shooting, fishing, paint ball, boating, racing, skiing, snow-mobiling, hockey, scuba diving, etc… On interior windows and mirrors (Lasting 3-4 weeks); hotels, cruse ships, automobiles, trucks, boats, planes, etc… Really, there are so many uses and applications, it would be impossible to list them all!

Manufactured by: Par Bur Labs Inc. Made in the USA

 

“At last, something that really works!”

More about Parker’s Anti-Fog Solution & Lens Cleaner
After extensive research, Par Bur Laboratories has developed an advanced chemical solution, scientifically formulated, to be superior to any other spray or dropper product currently used to keep lenses from fogging. First and foremost, Parker’s anti-fog solution was designed to keep eyewear and also protective eyewear from fogging up in cold, or hot, humid conditions. This includes respirators, welding hoods, face shields, “HAZMAT” suits, scuba masks, motorcycle helmets and other protective lenses that experience the same problem. Parker’s recommends a daily application to be sure your lens is cleaned regularly, even though it lasts much longer! The so called, anti-fogs have never lived up to their claims. After you use Parker’s anti-fogging solution, you’ll be saying, “At last something really works!” Parker’s also contains a cleaner that helps to remove such things as facial oils, hair spray, make-up,and sweat, making our solution the choice for companies, big or small, who are concerned about safety, liability, OSHA regulations, and ergonomics. When properly applied, you will find Parker’s formula to be fast drying and convenient to use. Remember, Parker’s is new in design, to be fast when applying; It’s important after spraying, not to overwipe. There is no need to wipe completely dry. You actually stop wiping while there is still moisture on the lens, and it will dry crystal clear. When using the dropper, you can also spread it thin and even, and then let it air dry, if you prefer (referring to scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, and other optics of this nature). Parker’s is the longest lasting spray or dropper anti-fog solution to prevent fogging on lenses on the market to date. Best of all, Parker’s is water soluble, so throughout the day, you can remove most dirt, mud, grime, and goo, or whatever, from eyewear, simply by rinsing under the faucet, or in a bucket of water and then reapply Parker’s. Parker’s also helps keep polycarbonate lenses from scratching on both the inside and outside of a lens, leaving a protective film on the surface for easier cleaning, and reduced static, helping to avoid smudges, dust, dirt, and fingerprints, or other air born particles, without the bother of silicone scratch guard. An example of this would be when Parker’s is applied to the outside of a face shield used for the sport of paint ball. The goo from the paint will wash right off, not leaving the normal goo mess and smears that the player usually have to deal with when cleaning their shields! The bother of dust and dirt, collecting on computer screens can be greatly reduced, lasting weeks, in even some of the harshest environments such as fabrication, assembly, maintenance, foundries, as well as the other manufacturing scenarios. Parkers Anti-Fogging Solution is very diverse in application. This is why Parker’s comes in spray and dropper format. The spray can be used on eye wear, protective eye wear, television screens, computer monitors, mirrors,inside windows of cars, trucks, boats, planes, etc, lasting up to 30 days on interior windows and mirors. The dropper is spectacular for scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, telescopes, as well as other fine optics of this nature and, should be used on these types of optics to avoid “puddling”. The dropper can be used on eyewear. You would just need to spread it around with your finger. For working photographers, Parker’s cuts temperature acclimation time on photographic equipment,

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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 18:26
[QUOTE=300S&W]  
  It does contain a cleaner but I wonder even though they say it dries crystal clear and they tell you how to apply it to surfaces such as scopes if the protecting film it leaves affects the quality of the image any.

 

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Don’t allow fogged up eyewear and protective eyewear to stop you from doing the things you want or need to do! Use Parker’s Anti-Fog solution, to win the battle against external lens fogging, in cold, or hot humid conditions.


Parker’s is the longest lasting anti-fog spray, or dropper, solution on the market to date! For eyewear Parker’s recommends a daily anti fog application. <SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline">Even though it last much longer!</SPAN> Parker’s does contain a cleaner, Helping to remove facial oil, hair spray, make up, and sweat, but first and foremost it was designed to help prevent lenses from fogging! Parker’s anti fog solution also leaves a protective film on the lens that helps reduce static, helps prevent scratches, and makes cleaning easier! Parker’s anti fog and cleaning solution has no lingering odor, no harsh chemicals, no abrasive ingredients, and it’s “Silicone Free”! All these features help Parker’s to be very environmentally friendly. And, make Parker’s the choice for companies big, or small, concerned about safety, liability, OSHA, and ergonomics.


Parker’s “Dropper Bottle” anti fog and cleaning solution was designed for optics, and should be used on them; Scopes, Binoculars, Camera Lenses, etc… (This is to control the application on fine optical equipment, which can be applied in the correct amount suited to the lens size, evenly spread to coat the lens surface with a film, then lightly wiped, or left to air dry, depending on preference.) But, the dropper can also be used on other applications as well; such as eyeglasses, sunglasses, goggles, safety glasses, etc…


Parker’s anti-fog cleaner is very diverse in application; the dropper is spectacular on scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, telescopes, etc…For working photographers; Parker’s cuts acclamation time on photographic equipment. The spray is recommended for manufacturing; protective eyewears, goggles, face shields, respirators, welding hoods, etc… Pressure washing, sand blasting, chipping, grinding, spraying, etc … On computer screens, lasting weeks, even in some of the harshest environments such as: casting, fabrication, assembly, finishing, maintenance, etc… Parker’s is a must for “HAZMAT” suits! For medical, dental, police, military, fire fighting, etc For all sports; hunting, shooting, fishing, paint ball, boating, racing, skiing, snow-mobiling, hockey, scuba diving, etc… On interior windows and mirrors (Lasting 3-4 weeks); hotels, cruse ships, automobiles, trucks, boats, planes, etc… Really, there are so many uses and applications, it would be impossible to list them all!


Manufactured by: Par Bur Labs Inc. Made in the USA


 


<H2 align=center>“At last, something that really works!”</H2>

More about Parker’s Anti-Fog Solution & Lens Cleaner
After extensive research, Par Bur Laboratories has developed an advanced chemical solution, scientifically formulated, to be superior to any other spray or dropper product currently used to keep lenses from fogging. First and foremost, Parker’s anti-fog solution was designed to keep eyewear and also protective eyewear from fogging up in cold, or hot, humid conditions. This includes respirators, welding hoods, face shields, “HAZMAT” suits, scuba masks, motorcycle helmets and other protective lenses that experience the same problem. Parker’s recommends a daily application to be sure your lens is cleaned regularly, even though it lasts much longer! The so called, anti-fogs have never lived up to their claims. After you use Parker’s anti-fogging solution, you’ll be saying, “At last something really works!” Parker’s also contains a cleaner that helps to remove such things as facial oils, hair spray, make-up,and sweat, making our solution the choice for companies, big or small, who are concerned about safety, liability, OSHA regulations, and ergonomics. When properly applied, you will find Parker’s formula to be fast drying and convenient to use. Remember, Parker’s is new in design, to be fast when applying; It’s important after spraying, not to overwipe. There is no need to wipe completely dry. You actually stop wiping while there is still moisture on the lens, and it will dry crystal clear. When using the dropper, you can also spread it thin and even, and then let it air dry, if you prefer (referring to scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, and other optics of this nature). Parker’s is the longest lasting spray or dropper anti-fog solution to prevent fogging on lenses on the market to date. Best of all, Parker’s is water soluble, so throughout the day, you can remove most dirt, mud, grime, and goo, or whatever, from eyewear, simply by rinsing under the faucet, or in a bucket of water and then reapply Parker’s. Parker’s also helps keep polycarbonate lenses from scratching on both the inside and outside of a lens, leaving a protective film on the surface for easier cleaning, and reduced static, helping to avoid smudges, dust, dirt, and fingerprints, or other air born particles, without the bother of silicone scratch guard. An example of this would be when Parker’s is applied to the outside of a face shield used for the sport of paint ball. The goo from the paint will wash right off, not leaving the normal goo mess and smears that the player usually have to deal with when cleaning their shields! The bother of dust and dirt, collecting on computer screens can be greatly reduced, lasting weeks, in even some of the harshest environments such as fabrication, assembly, maintenance, foundries, as well as the other manufacturing scenarios. Parkers Anti-Fogging Solution is very diverse in application. This is why Parker’s comes in spray and dropper format. The spray can be used on eye wear, protective eye wear, television screens, computer monitors, mirrors,inside windows of cars, trucks, boats, planes, etc, lasting up to 30 days on interior windows and mirors. The dropper is spectacular for scopes, binoculars, camera lenses, telescopes, as well as other fine optics of this nature and, should be used on these types of optics to avoid “puddling”. The dropper can be used on eyewear. You would just need to spread it around with your finger.

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer



Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 18:38
Why don't you taste it and see???

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 19:10
 
  WHICH Cleveland?
 
  

Cleveland, WA. Cleveland, TX. Cleveland, TN. Cleveland, OH. Cleveland, ND. Cleveland, NC. Cleveland, NY. , MS. , IL. IN. and GA.



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"I ain't got time to bleed!"


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: June/29/2012 at 19:25
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  WHICH Cleveland?

 

  
<H2>Cleveland, WA. Cleveland, TX. Cleveland, TN. Cleveland, OH. Cleveland, ND. Cleveland, NC. Cleveland, NY. , MS. , IL. IN. and GA. <SPAN></SPAN></H2>


Does it matter. ;)

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: June/30/2012 at 05:58
 
   Exactly


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"I ain't got time to bleed!"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/30/2012 at 07:57
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why don't you taste it and see???
 
Hahaha....Bandito
 
I too use and have used Zeiss Wipes for several years on all my scopes. I like the fact that I can keep them in my Eagle Stock Pack, (shameless plug), when I'm out in the field.
 


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If at first you don't secede...try..try again.


Posted By: rogn
Date Posted: July/04/2012 at 08:06
I really like the Zeis pads for spot cleaning, but ALWAYS remember to blow and whisk away any dust or grit. You can do untold damage grinding some debris into the lens. Always use lite strokes. For a thorough cleaning I really prefer to use lens cleaning fluid and lens paper(all harder to find). Careful lite circular strokes with a final lens paper will give you a flawless streak free lens..........if I can just keep from sticking a finger on one in the first 10 minutes.



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