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Topic: New SWFA SS Scopes
Posted By: Chris Farris II
Subject: New SWFA SS Scopes
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 16:22

Introducing the latest additions to the SWFA SS scope line.

 
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P87717.aspx -
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P87716.aspx - - - SWFA SS 3-15x42 MQ SFP
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P87718.aspx -  
 
  • First, we will introduce the http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P87717.aspx - . On the outside it is almost identical to our existing SWFA SS 3-15x42 FFP. However, the reticle in this 3-15x42 is based off of the extremely popular 1-4x24 MQDM we released last year. Like its predecessor, this scope also has a reticle in the second focal plane which gives you better target acquisition on low magnification while maintaining its ability to range and provide aiming points at max magnification.   

 

  • It utilizes a Mil based reticle and has the ability to provide the shooter with accurate target distances utilizing the built in target ranging references. The ranging references can be used to range various objects in various sizes. You can range anything 72", 36", or 24" tall as well as any object 18" wide. This gives you the ability to range objects such as human silhouettes, IPSC silhouettes, deer, hogs, or even coyotes.

 

  • The exposed knobs have .1 Mil Adjustments per click and 5 Mils per revolution.

 

  • The power ring comes threaded for a throw lever, which is included. This gives you the ability to rapidly zoom in and out. 
 
Specs
Exit Pupil:                                 2.8mm - 11.8mm
Weight:                                     23.7 oz
Length:                                     13.5"
Field of View @ 100yds:           7.21 - 34.72 ft 
Field of View @ 100m:              2.4 - 10.6m 
Eye Relief (in):                          4.3
 - 3.9 
Diopter Compensation:            
-2 ~ +1 dpr
Click Adjustment Value:            0.1 MRAD
Adjustment Per Revoultion:       5 Mils
Total Elevation Adjustment:       36 Mils
 
Total Windage Adjustment:        36 Mils

Type of Reticle:                          Mil-Quad DM
Focal Plane:                               2nd
Coating:                                      Fully Multi Coated
Waterproof:                                Yes
Fogproof:                                    Yes
Shockproof:                                Yes
 
SWFA 3-15x42 MQDM SFP with Subtensions (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS315X42MQDM2_Subtensions.jpg">
 
SWFA 3-15x42 MQDM SFP (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS315X42MQDM2_NoSubtensions.jpg">
 
Aiming Points
Unlike the 1-4x24 we released last year this reticle in the new Second Focal Plane 3-15x42 has the ability, due to its higher magnification, to easily utilize not only the outer vertices of the diamond as aiming points but also the inner vertices, giving you five aiming points instead of three. 
 
These aiming points can be used for a wide variety of calibers. Below are some examples of how this could be utilized with a few different calibers.
 
Actual point of impact vs. point aim:
 
M852 7.62 168 Grain @ 2600 FPS
Aiming point 1: 200 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 225 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 3: 300 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 4: 350 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 5: 375 yards (.00 Mils Off)
 
M80 7.62 147 Grain @ 2850 FPS
Aiming point 1: 200 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 225 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 3: 300 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 4: 375 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 5: 400 yards (.00 Mils Off)
 
M118LR 7.62 175 Grain @ 2600 FPS
Aiming point 1: 200 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 225 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 3: 300 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 4: 350 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 5: 375 yards (.00 Mils Off)
 
6.5 Grendel 123 Grain @ 2350 FPS
Aiming point 1: 100 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 150 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 3: 200 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 4: 250 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 5: 300 yards (.20 Mils Low)
 
6.8 SPC 110 Grain @ 2550 FPS
Aiming Point 1: 100 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 150 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 3: 200 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 4: 250 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 5: 300 yards (.20 Mils Low)
 
.204 Ruger 40 Grain @ 3900 FPS
Aiming point 1: 100 yard ZERO
Aiming Point 2: 200 yards (.05 Mils High)
Aiming Point 3: 325 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 4: 425 yards (.05 Mils Low)
Aiming Point 5: 450 yards (.00 Mils Off)
 
Target Ranging References
 
All of the target ranging references are calibrated for 72" height as well as 18" width.
 
To use it for 36" tall targets simply divide your range shown on the reticle by 2 and for 24" tall targets divide by 3. Examples are listed below.
 
The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 800 yards away. 
 
 

The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away.

 

The target below is a 18" wide silhouette of a human. Considering it is 18" wide and fits just on top of our 300 yard target ranging indicator this target is 300 yards away.

 
 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 400 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. It is 200 yards away and not 400 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2.  
 
 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 400 yards away. It is 400 yards away and not 800 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2.
 
 
The target below is a 24" shoulder height silhouette of a hog. Considering it is 24" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 300 yard target ranging indicator this target is 100 yards away. It is 100 yards away and not 300 yards because we are using a target that is one third the height of what the target ranging reference is calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 3.  
 
 
 



Replies:
Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 16:22
  • Next we have the http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P87716.aspx - SWFA 3-15x42 MQ SFP . On the outside it also is almost identical to our existing SWFA SS 3-15x42 FFP.

  • It has the Mil-Quad Reticle in the second focal plane.

 

  • It utilizes an open center with a .04 Mil floating dot which makes it much easier to make those precision shots at distance.

 

  • The exposed knobs have .1 Mil Adjustments per click and 5 Mils per revolution.

 

  • The power ring comes threaded for a throw lever, which is included. This gives you the ability to rapidly zoom in and out. 
Specs
Exit Pupil:                                   2.8mm - 11.8mm
Weight:                                      23.7 oz
Length:                                      13.5"
Field of View @ 100yds:               7.21 - 34.72 ft 
Field of View @ 100m:                 2.4 - 10.6m 
Eye Relief (in):                            4.3
 - 3.9 
Diopter Compensation:               
-2 ~ +1 dpr
Click Adjustment Value:               0.1 MRAD
Adjustment Per Revoultion:          5 Mils
Total Elevation Adjustment:         36 Mils
 
Total Windage Adjustment:          36 Mils

Type of Reticle:                           Mil-Quad
Focal Plane:                                2nd
Coating:                                     Fully Multi Coated
Waterproof:                                Yes
Fogproof:                                    Yes
Shockproof:                                Yes
 
SWFA 3-15x42 MQ SFP with Subtensions (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS315X42MQ2_Subtensions.jpg">
 
 
SWFA 3-15x42 MQ SFP (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS315X42MQ2_NOSubtensions.jpg">


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 16:23
  • Last but not least, we have the all new http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P87718.aspx - SWFA SS 10x42 MOA .

 
  • Unlike all of the previous versions of our SWFA SS classic line, that sported a Mil based reticle with either Mil or MOA turrets, this is a MOA/MOA scope. It has 1/4 MOA turrets and the all new MOA-Quad reticle.

 

  • The exposed knobs have 1/4 MOA adjustments per click and 15 MOA per revolution.

Specs

Exit Pupil:                                   4.2mm
Weight:                                      18.7 oz
Length:                                      14.1"
Field of View @ 100yds:               11.8 ft   
Eye Relief (in):                            
3.9 
Diopter Compensation:               
-2 ~ +1 dpr
Click Adjustment Value:               .25 MOA 
Adjustment Per Revoultion:          15 MOA
Total Elevation Adjustment:          120 MOA 
Total Windage Adjustment:           120 MOA

Type of Reticle:                            MOA-Quad
Coating:                                      Fully Multi Coated
Waterproof:                                 Yes
Fogproof:                                     Yes
Shockproof:                                 Yes
 
SWFA 10x42 MOA with Subtensions (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS10x42moa_Subtensions.jpg">
 
SWFA 10x42 MOA (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS10X42MOA_NoSubtensions.jpg">


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 17:24
Nice!


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 17:43
This is a nice addition to the line.

The reticle developments are interesting and, I think, worthwhile.

The SFP 3-15x42 is a nice alternative for people who want a very fine aiming point.  I also have a suspicion that it will make a killing for airgun and rimfire shooters due to the the small aiming point and exceptional close focusing capability. 

I expect to have first impressions up some time next week.

ILya


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 18:21
SWEET!

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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 21:18
Love the additions to the line, Chris. Looking forward to checking these and future developments out!

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Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 21:52
Good start.

When you put a mil reticle similar to the new 10x MOA on the 5-20 HD I might buy out your entire stock. 


Big Smile


Posted By: bcraig
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 23:35
ok
Now put a nice lighted reticle on either the 6x42 and or the 10x42 milquad and make a better scope for hunters.
The only gripes  I see about the milquads for hunting purposes are that it is easy to lose the reticle in the woods and very dark conditions.
A lighted reticle incorporated into the milquad reticle would solve that problem and pretty well turn these scopes into great scipes for deer hunting !

Real good as is but just saying !!



Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 13:05
Bombers....

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Posted By: Br4ndon
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 14:16
I am in the market for a scope for my RPR 6.5 creedmore.

I believe the SWFA SS 10x42 MOA might just do the trick.

During the intro sale, do you get to pick the size of the rings? I am not absolutely sure, but I believe I would need your high rings.

Thanks for clarifying.

Brandon


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 14:41
Welcome to Optics Talk, Br4ndon. 

     


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Posted By: Br4ndon
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 14:43
Thanks CheapTrick!


Posted By: 637mase
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 20:27
I've been looking at that 3x15 for quite awhile, and now I can get the Mil Quad DM reticle.

Come on Black Friday!Yippee
Thanks Chris!


Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 23:06
Very cool.


Posted By: Brady
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 06:57
Originally posted by Br4ndon Br4ndon wrote:

I am in the market for a scope for my RPR 6.5 creedmore.

During the intro sale, do you get to pick the size of the rings? I am not absolutely sure, but I believe I would need your high rings.

You will have the choice.

Welcome to the OT.



Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 08:13
Originally posted by bcraig bcraig wrote:

ok
Now put a nice lighted reticle on either the 6x42 and or the 10x42 milquad and make a better scope for hunters.
The only gripes  I see about the milquads for hunting purposes are that it is easy to lose the reticle in the woods and very dark conditions.
A lighted reticle incorporated into the milquad reticle would solve that problem and pretty well turn these scopes into great scipes for deer hunting !

Real good as is but just saying !!

This is when you look to the 1-6 HD for hunting. SSHD16X24D This is my favorite SS scope for stalking. Each of the SS scopes are designed for a purpose. Be sure that you check out the entire line for the scope that will fit the need.


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Posted By: bcraig
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 13:21
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Originally posted by bcraig bcraig wrote:

ok
Now put a nice lighted reticle on either the 6x42 and or the 10x42 milquad and make a better scope for hunters.
The only gripes  I see about the milquads for hunting purposes are that it is easy to lose the reticle in the woods and very dark conditions.
A lighted reticle incorporated into the milquad reticle would solve that problem and pretty well turn these scopes into great scipes for deer hunting !

Real good as is but just saying !!

This is when you look to the 1-6 HD for hunting. SSHD16X24D This is my favorite SS scope for stalking. Each of the SS scopes are designed for a purpose. Be sure that you check out the entire line for the scope that will fit the need.


I would much rather stick with a fixed power scope for durability
Just for kicks I looked at the scope you mentioned and I dont like the reticle at all.
I would much rather have the milquad with something like a small Illuminated dot .
And at almost $1,000 I cant afford it even if I did like it for my purposes(and i dont).

For MY purposes the Milquad reticle is VERY good but would be great with the addition of the option  of a the Illuminated reticle.

Fixed for the best durability,Milquad reticle for either using the many reference points on the windshield or dialing . All at a price point of the standard Milquad or slightly more.
As a hunter I would buy at least one and probably two.
And I Imagine a lot of other hunters would as well.

Thanks for your input though


Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 14:04
Sorry for the delay, folks, over the next few days I'll have some reticle pics up.  They look very good.

Originally posted by bcraig bcraig wrote:

ok
Now put a nice lighted reticle on....The only gripes  I see about the milquads for hunting purposes are that it is easy to lose the reticle in the woods and very dark conditions.


They did!  It's called the 5-20.  Brilliant glass too.  Gotta pay to play....   Wink   

Seriously, "the milquads" are all different depending upon power.  The only fixed power I'd recommend walking in the woods with is the 6X and its reticle is very heavy, thick and easy to see.  There's no problem in the woods with this reticle--hunting deer in legal light.  Hogs or something at nighttime then, sure, you'd want illumination.

Naturally the 10X reticles aren't optimum for that use as few would choose a fixed 10X for that application.  But for general hunting in open terrain, they're fine.  Basically for any use you'd choose  a fixed 10X, the reticle will work very well.



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Posted By: bcraig
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 17:54
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Sorry for the delay, folks, over the next few days I'll have some reticle pics up.  They look very good.

Originally posted by bcraig bcraig wrote:

ok
Now put a nice lighted reticle on....The only gripes  I see about the milquads for hunting purposes are that it is easy to lose the reticle in the woods and very dark conditions.


They did!  It's called the 5-20.  Brilliant glass too.  Gotta pay to play....   Wink   

Seriously, "the milquads" are all different depending upon power.  The only fixed power I'd recommend walking in the woods with is the 6X and its reticle is very heavy, thick and easy to see.  There's no problem in the woods with this reticle--hunting deer in legal light.  Hogs or something at nighttime then, sure, you'd want illumination.

Naturally the 10X reticles aren't optimum for that use as few would choose a fixed 10X for that application.  But for general hunting in open terrain, they're fine.  Basically for any use you'd choose  a fixed 10X, the reticle will work very well.


Thanks for the info on the 5-20,but I am looking for the ruggedness of a fixed power AND when I decide to sell my house and live in the truck I might consider paying that much for a scope !Jump and Spin

I often keep a Variable Leupold 3-9 on 9 power in the woods as it allows me to tell if I have a TRULY clear shot at the vitals or if there are small limbs or brush that would deflect a bullet.
Plus once a deer is sighted I dont want to be lowering the rifle and picking up binoculars and seeing if the deer has a vital zone exposed without brush in the way .
Also we have a 3 point rule in the area I hunt so I need to be able to judge horns.
Maybe 6x would be enough .

We can Legally shoot 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after sunset.






Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 18:59
I am really interested in that 10x with the MOA reticle - Happy Dance!
Been waiting for one in MOA - THANKS!

Thinking some long-range 22lr shooting and it would work well on a 308 Win loaner rifle as well.
Wait, that would be two of themBandito


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 15:16
For what it's is worth, I am pretty impressed with what I am seeing with these new designs so far.

There are five different SWFA SS scopes in this picture (taken yesterday)

I'll let you identify which is which...



ILya


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Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 18:09
Bcraig, dude. Seriously? It is obvious that this product is out of range for you. If buying good glass will make you have to live in your truck, you might try a new hobby or get a job.
Either way, Chris is debuting this new product here with a nice price break.
The least you can do is be respectful of our host and keep your expertise to yourself.
You might consider Center Point Optics. I hear after buying a few of those, even you can dine like a king at McDonald's the very same day!


Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 18:29
The upcoming sale has me excited.

I hope it's similar to last year.  The deals were amazing.


Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 20:07
Me too. I only had funds for a 1-6XHD last year. This year I am going for two 5-20XHD scopes. Maybe more depending on the sale.
SWFA is the only retailer/mfgr that does this. I for one are thankful. This is the only way I can get the gear I need. (And not live in my truck) haha. Although, I wouldn't mind living on my sailboat.


Posted By: 637mase
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 20:56
Really looking forward to mounting that new 3-15 on my AR10 and moving the 1-4HD to my, recent PSA build, AR15. Life is good - 

Thanks SWFA.


Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 22:19
I am thinking about a couple more 5-20HDs, too.


Maybe a 3-9.


I would jump all over a fixed 10x, mil hash reticle, and mil turrets.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: November/22/2015 at 22:35
HMMMM I could use one of those.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/23/2015 at 07:16
I really like the Mil-Quad DM reticle on the 3-15.  Wish it was illuminated.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/23/2015 at 08:20
I like http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P87716.aspx - this one .  Would make a nice scope for my 22LR trainer with the floating .04 dot.. So, if anyone is looking for that last minutes stocking stuffier for me..




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Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: November/23/2015 at 12:55
For you guys who can afford two of the 5-20Xs, I envy you! Lol!


Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: November/23/2015 at 20:08
Waited for this for four years. Thought I had it done on tax day. Only could make it happen on one of the sales. Trust me. I have envied for four long hateful years!!!


Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 08:16
Can anyone remember which day the sale started last year?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 08:51
Black Friday

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Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 10:25
Awesome.

Thank you!


Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 21:20
I just found a Black Friday ad for 2015.....


Has anyone received this info yet?  I don't want to violate forum rules and post a link.


Posted By: Cactus Chip
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 21:34
They were handing out flyers at the store today. I haven't received anything by email yet.

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Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 21:39
Same here.  I haven't received an email either.

Anyway, the prices are the same as last year, but they aren't putting the 10xHD or the 5-20HD Illuminated on sale this year.


Posted By: Pirate Joe
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 02:06
Notorious, can you email me link to sale ?   44vanilla@gmail.com. Thanks a Ton !!   Can't wait


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 08:44
All is fair in love, war and leaked black Friday ads!  

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Posted By: Pirate Joe
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 09:43
Thanks Guys !!! It's never as much fun unless ya feel like you getting away with something :)


Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 09:59
The 10x HD is out of stock and that is why it was left out of the sale this year. The 5-20 Illuminated is not on the in store ad, but it will be on sale at 25% off and on the email blast as will the non illuminated model.

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Posted By: Chrispy1023
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 10:29
Woo Hoo


Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 11:55
Damn.  I'm afraid I'm going to be spending a LOT more than I'd planned....


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 13:52

Originally posted by MikieG MikieG wrote:

...SWFA is the only retailer/mfgr that does this....

Remember how big Black Friday deals used to be before all the big retailers started putting Christmas stuff our before Halloween and started running "Black Friday" sales the entire month of November?  It used to be really something special and kept secret until Friday.

We try to keep it secret and mail a printed ad locally for the retail store that we try and have hit today but its hard to forecast what the USPS is going to do.  The main e-mail announcement will go at 12:01 am Friday.

In years past the response has been way higher than our predictions and every year we adjust based on the previous.  We hope that our servers don't start smoking and that our inventory holds up.

Order early and order often!

The store ads that mailed are a little different than the nation wide e-mail deals as some things sell better in the store (YETI Coolers) and some things sell better online (SS).

The link to the ad from last year was, http://www.swfa.com/BlackFriday2014 - Just saying. Wink



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 14:00
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

 

The link to the ad from last year was, http://www.swfa.com/BlackFriday2014 - http://www.swfa.com/BlackFriday2014/ - http://www.swfa.com/BlackFriday2014 WhistlingJust saying. Wink

 
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Posted By: burfurd
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 16:00
For the good folks at SWFA.... could you briefly list the differences between the new SS 10x42 and the 'old' or current 10x42? I read that the MOA reticle may be the big difference. Thank you.


Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 16:57

Burford, welcome to Optics Talk. Howdy


The new SS10X42MOA has one difference compared to the old one. The reticle.

The reticle in the new one subtends in minute of angle. Each hash mark represents 1 MOA, then at 10 MOA you have Quadrilaterals for faster reference.

The previous model subtended in Mils. With its traditional baseball style mil-dot reticle, from the center of one dot to the next dot represents 1 Miilradian.

They are differing angular measurements. The new one has turrets that match the reticle. The older version, you would need to determine how many MOA there are between the dots, in order to make corrections if you missed and looking to correct with a follow up shot.

The benefit to the new one, because of its First Focal Plane reticle is actually better explained by Christopher's illustration;

Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I have shot with people a few times who when sighting in a Mil/Mil scope will still go to the target and measure how far away it is from bullseye in inches and then try to convert it into Mils in their head. Because of this I decided to do a write up on sighting in a Mil/Mil scope. It is extremely easy when done right. You start off with your blank target.

 
 
You will then get a steady rest and fire your first shot off. The key here is a steady rest and slow steady trigger pull. If done right this will only take 2 shots so make sure it counts. You then squeze the trigger and let the gun do the work. Now You simply look at the target and see how much you missed by.
 
 
In this case your initial shot was more than 3.5 mils to the right but not quite 4 and a little less than 6 mils low. The key here is to forget about inches or any other linear measurement. Just measure with the scope, after all that is what it was designed for. Now go ahead and make your adjustments 3.7 mils to the left and 5.7 mils up. Now reaquire your target and verify your adjusments. If done properly your next shot should be in the bullseye.
 
 
This method can be used in many other circumstances also. Say you are out with some friends plinking some steel at some pretty good distances. Will you be able to measure an exact hit with it at 500 yards or more, probably not. However, when dealing with winds gusting and varying in MPH it can help a lot. You shoot and see the wind has pushed your bullet a little farther off the target than you anticipated. Instead of dialing in your windage, because the wind is varying, just measure it with your scope and hold however far off your splash in the dirt was to the side of the target in the opposite direction. It makes for very fast and very accurate adjustments/corrections in many shooting conditions. You have the equipment, use it to your advantage!


This helps to simply things when the turret adjustments match the reticle. I.E., Mil-Dot reticle, have Miilradian adjustments and vice versa for MOA adjustments.




Posted By: burfurd
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 19:45
Thank you very much Chris. That makes it 'easier' to understand...Bucky  This is Not second nature for me so your reply really helps.


Posted By: burfurd
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 19:52
PS--You mention 'First Focal Plane'. If we are talking about a fixed power like your 10x scopes, there is no such thing as a First or Second focal plane issue, is there??  Sorry, I get confused easily.


Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 20:32
The reticles in the fixed power are positioned for the magnification that is used. This way the reticle is relative to the target.  Same principle.



Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 20:43
Skylar, Are you planning on bringing the new reticle out in your 12X fixed. I really need the extra 2X but hate to miss out on a good sale.

Thanks


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 12:20
Here are some initial thoughts:

http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1479 - http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=1479

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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 14:54
As always ILya, spot on in your assessments.  Thanks.

For those who would like to see some live reticle pics, here are some.  As always, don't try and judge the glass quality, etc, as it's more a measure of my photography skills at the moment (lousy) than anything else.  The light was fading fast making things more difficult as well.  But these should help give people an idea what they look like in the flesh.

10X MOA-Quad:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad.jpg

On a 12" Gong at 200 yds:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad200.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad200.jpg

On a 24"X18" Gong at 500 yds: 



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad500.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad500.jpg

An 8" Gong at 600 yds: 



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad600.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/10XMOAQuad600.jpg




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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 15:01
My pictures were particularly bad with  the 3-15 Mil-Quad Dot.  I think the ocular focus was off a bit as all the pictures seemed to either have a sharp reticle or sharp target, not both at the same time.  Anyway just focus on the reticle, the glass is the same as the DM obviously.....

3-15X42 SFP Mil-Quad Dot:



Larger Version: http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot.jpg

On a 12" Gong at 200 yds:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot200.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot200.jpg

On a 24"X18" Gong at 500 yds: 



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot500.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot500.jpg

An 8" Gong at 600 yds: 



Larger Version: http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot600.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot600.jpg



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 15:11
Nice additions to the SS family!

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 15:15
Originally posted by Pirate Joe Pirate Joe wrote:

Notorious, can you email me link to sale ?   44vanilla@gmail.com. Thanks a Ton !!   Can't wait

Welcome to OT, Pirate!

I have a hunch I know you, sir! Wink


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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 15:23
3-15X42 SFP Mil-Quad DM:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM.jpg

On a 12" Gong at 200 yds:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM200.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM200.jpg


On a 24"X18" Gong at 500 yds: 



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM500.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM500.jpg

An 8" Gong at 600 yds: 



Larger Version: http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM600.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM600.jpg


Here's an example of the ranging lines in use.  The Circle (what's left of it) on this gong is 9":



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM500Range.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPMilQuadDM500Range.jpg

If my hand was a bit steadier, you would see the circle covering 1/2 of the 500 yd line.   Alternatively, knowing the target was 9" one could find the line that fits and divide the range by two.  In this case the 1000 yd line did but I didn't get a decent pic of that.

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Posted By: 637mase
Date Posted: November/26/2015 at 21:10
Thanks Jon A and ILya for putting together two great presentations of the 3-15 SFP scopes. I'm now sure that my purchase will be on point. You are much appreciated - thanks again.  


Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: December/07/2015 at 21:47
My 10X with the new MOA/MOA I ordered on the Black Friday sale arrive today. The mailman was so late it was dark when he got here so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to look thru the scope outside. My first SWFA.


Posted By: bcraig
Date Posted: December/08/2015 at 09:16
Originally posted by MikieG MikieG wrote:

Bcraig, dude. Seriously? It is obvious that this product is out of range for you. If buying good glass will make you have to live in your truck, you might try a new hobby or get a job.
Either way, Chris is debuting this new product here with a nice price break.
The least you can do is be respectful of our host and keep your expertise to yourself.
You might consider Center Point Optics. I hear after buying a few of those, even you can dine like a king at McDonald's the very same day!


I just read your post

First of all I am not a dude,I am a 55 year old man.

Obviously the comment about living in my truck was said tongue in cheek.
For your information I am retired after having worked many years.

I was in now way form or fashion Disrespectful to Chris or anyone else.
I bought a 6xMQ during the sale and have bought From Chris before that.

If you dont like reading about my expertise as you put it the refrain from reading my posts.
Best I can tell forums are for sharing information and Opinions

I attacked no one but you on the other hand came up with this your smart aleck reply for some reason.

If you think that I was disrespectful to Chris or anyone else then your Reading comprehension
could use some help.


Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: December/08/2015 at 09:35
I ordered two of themExcellentBandito
Originally posted by Iowa Fox Iowa Fox wrote:

My 10X with the new MOA/MOA I ordered on the Black Friday sale arrive today. The mailman was so late it was dark when he got here so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to look thru the scope outside. My first SWFA.


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Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: December/08/2015 at 12:06
Its a dark dreary heavily overcast day here, perfect to check out a new scope to see what its like in the real world for color & clarity. I gave the scope a good visual before turning it outside. Parallax ring turned nice and smooth, windage and elevation turrets turned smoothly with positive clicks. Set it up to look at my normal new scope things outside, looks nice. I set up several other brands of scopes that I think are pretty good to get a comparison. So far I'm impressed, I like the reticle. It will probably be after the first of the year before I can test it putting lead down range. 


Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: December/08/2015 at 21:46
Says the guy who spent time over multiple posts to whine about the products not being up to his expectations.


Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: December/08/2015 at 21:54
OK gentleman ( bcraig & mikieG ) please note the rules you both agreed to when joining the forum. No personal attacks. We are all adults here.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/09/2015 at 07:39


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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: December/10/2015 at 20:23
Originally posted by Iowa Fox Iowa Fox wrote:

Its a dark dreary heavily overcast day here, perfect to check out a new scope to see what its like in the real world for color & clarity. I gave the scope a good visual before turning it outside. Parallax ring turned nice and smooth, windage and elevation turrets turned smoothly with positive clicks. Set it up to look at my normal new scope things outside, looks nice. I set up several other brands of scopes that I think are pretty good to get a comparison. So far I'm impressed, I like the reticle. It will probably be after the first of the year before I can test it putting lead down range. 


Will this be going on the Charger or something else?



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Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: December/10/2015 at 21:12


Will this be going on the Charger or something else?

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I"m planning on putting it on the Charger clone for Wy-Shot next year. 

I'm also building a 243 for Wy-Shot and the MOA. This 10X might get some range time on it until I figure out what I'm going to do for optics on that one. 


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 07:46
The new 3-15 SS DM is looking good for a Norma 6xc that was recently started.


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Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 10:28
I purchased my SWFA scopes at 12:01 AM on Black Friday and still have not received them yet.


Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 10:37

PM inbound Jeff.




Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 10:49
If they had the DM in FFP, I would have 3 on order already.  Just not sure I want a SFP.  I might break down and buy one for my 22-250 and move the Kahles over to my new build project.

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Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 13:56
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The new 3-15 SS DM is looking good for a Norma 6xc that was recently started.

I need a FFP


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 14:07
Originally posted by Iowa Fox Iowa Fox wrote:

Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The new 3-15 SS DM is looking good for a Norma 6xc that was recently started.

I need a FFP


How about this one in FFP.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P62238.aspx - http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P62238.aspx


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 15:44
Jon that is the 3-15 SS on the H-S Precision 22-250 at WY-Shot. It is Mil Quad rather than MOA


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Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 16:19
Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:


PM inbound Jeff.



Go it!
Thanks!


Posted By: Iowa Fox
Date Posted: December/11/2015 at 16:47
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by Iowa Fox Iowa Fox wrote:

Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

The new 3-15 SS DM is looking good for a Norma 6xc that was recently started.

I need a FFP


How about this one in FFP.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P62238.aspx - http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P62238.aspx

That one looks very promising. I wonder if the MOA reticle in the new 10X might make it to this one in time for a Tax day sale? 


Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: December/15/2015 at 03:32
Scopes arrived!  Looking forward to trying them out!


Posted By: Majja13
Date Posted: April/25/2016 at 11:53
What power is the ranging Scale set to on the MQDM.  I am interested in putting this on a 6.5 Creedmore, for a new mountain rifle.

Thank you


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/25/2016 at 13:05
Looks like the pics on the first page say 15x. 


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Posted By: Majja13
Date Posted: April/25/2016 at 15:10
Thank you that is the only pick I did not blow up and look at closely. 


Posted By: herodrh
Date Posted: May/08/2016 at 22:47
Originally posted by 637mase 637mase wrote:

I've been looking at that 3x15 for quite awhile, and now I can get the Mil Quad DM reticle.

Come on Black Friday!Yippee
Thanks Chris!

Hey 637, I own one of the FFP 3-15 scopes and just received my new SFP 3-15x42 SS with the MQ2 reticle. Have not mounted it on my JP 6.5G rifle yet but just looking and comparing to it's brother the reticle is amazing and the optics even seem better. I am expecting to shoot tiny groups at long ranges with this one! Your choice of the new DM version is a good one. I could see where for hunting, with a non illuminated reticle - that one would rock at any magnification. I expect that I will own one of those also at some point. Just a comment on sale prices: I view SWFA's pricing as sale prices at all times. I would not hesitate to buy whenever the need has arisen for optics. Also I share another SS with you as in an old 688 class sailor! Good shooting.


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Posted By: Mike 338
Date Posted: July/18/2016 at 10:38
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

My pictures were particularly bad with  the 3-15 Mil-Quad Dot.  I think the ocular focus was off a bit as all the pictures seemed to either have a sharp reticle or sharp target, not both at the same time.  Anyway just focus on the reticle, the glass is the same as the DM obviously.....

3-15X42 SFP Mil-Quad Dot:



Larger Version: http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot.jpg

On a 12" Gong at 200 yds:



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot200.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot200.jpg

On a 24"X18" Gong at 500 yds: 



Larger Version:  http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot500.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot500.jpg

An 8" Gong at 600 yds: 



Larger Version: http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot600.jpg - http://www.jonaadland.com/Hunting/SuperSniper/2015Reticles/3-15SFPDot600.jpg



Great pictures.  I picked up this scope.  The SFP feature interested me as I wanted a good reticle sight picture at lower powers.  I've had it to the range several times.  Mechanically, this scope seems great.  Turrets and reticle match very well up and the glass is just fine.  As the pictures show, the floating dot is very small and gets lost on all but the most prominent clean lightly colored background.  Of course the pictures are greatly magnified so you have to imagine the dot being way smaller and the tiny black dot gets lost in greens, variable browns, some orange shades and shadows which accounts for virtually everything but a paper target or a painted gong.  My testing was on bright sunny days so I doubt it gets better under less stellar conditions.  For punching paper, a precision shot is possible but for getting on a less pristine object quickly and getting off a pressured shot is mostly a matter of bracketing the aim point somewhere in the middle of the gap which may well be a sight picture some are looking for but I found it to be slow and imprecise under field conditions.  For future considerations, a slightly larger dot, preferably colored red would enhance the functionality of this great scope.    


Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: July/18/2016 at 11:11
Mike, you realize that if you turn down the mag, the dot will get larger in comparison to your target, right?

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Posted By: Mike 338
Date Posted: July/18/2016 at 11:42
Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Mike, you realize that if you turn down the mag, the dot will get larger in comparison to your target, right?


Yes. 

Although the relationship of the reticle to object changes,  the relationship of the reticle to shooter does not.  Adjusting the magnification does not improve or degrade the shooters perspective of the reticle.     




Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: July/18/2016 at 18:43
Almost PERFECT. The 3~15,42 SFP, MQDM
The only thing it's lacking is illumination. For my uses anyway. So, my question is. Are there any aftermarket reticle illumination devices that can be clamped on or something????? . .

Imo, for normal people that shoot and hunt in real life. Not some guy that just wants new , more expensive toys to fill their vain existence. The MQDM reticle should be in every scope !!!! That is how good it works. But it is best with the dot and diamond illumination available. I imagine that at some point in the future this reticle will be available in this scope with illumination. And I am not pushing for higher manufacturing costs. I would just like to light up the center dot.
Any idea's??
With illumination it could be ffp .

Thanks for your time.

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Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: July/18/2016 at 18:50
My other question is, at less than say 9power , does the parralax need to be adjusted from close , less than 10 y/m out to say 150+ y/m ?

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Posted By: Marine24
Date Posted: August/25/2016 at 13:53
I'm going have to get another one of these.  I have the FFP version but the MQDM reticle looks pretty slick.

I have a Savage 22-250 and a KIDD 22 LR that could both benefit from this scope.  I like the small dot but might need to rethink the targets I use to ensure I have the appropriate contrast in order to see it.


Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 06:14
Did the Sfp 3-15 get the boot?


Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: March/18/2019 at 08:30
Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

Did the Sfp 3-15 get the boot?
It has been discontinued. 

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: March/19/2019 at 07:40
Is the glass any different between the Sep and ffp?



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