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Topic: athlon rifle scopes
Posted By: verminator
Subject: athlon rifle scopes
Date Posted: December/27/2015 at 12:39
anybody had tabs on these  http://athlonoptics.com/product-category/riflescopes/ - http://athlonoptics.com/product-category/riflescopes/



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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/01/2016 at 09:25
I'm in contact with Athlon at this very moment. Trying to get an answer on where the scopes are made/manufactured/assembled. I want to know if the parts are China Japan, Philippines, Germany etc.
when and if I get a clear answer, I will post here.


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: January/01/2016 at 09:27
I already tried they did not reply.

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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: January/01/2016 at 21:29
I did better than that I purchesed the 6.5/25/50 athlon scope and it is great alot more scope for the money than I ever emagined no problems on this end infact o had a zeiss a night force and a huskam out the same day I was shooting threw the althlon and it was secound to none .


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: January/01/2016 at 22:22
Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

I did better than that I purchesed the 6.5/25/50 athlon scope and it is great alot more scope for the money than I ever emagined no problems on this end infact o had a zeiss a night force and a huskam out the same day I was shooting threw the althlon and it was secound to none .





This is all the info I needed. It's better than a Huskemaw. Guess I'll buy one...Not.
 





Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 10:00
Well I didnt say it was better what I said was it was secound to none of the three scopes I bad out shooting .but I'll tell you this as far as clairty I could see things I couldn't see in the huskma like the 1 inch green dot I was shooting at it was as clear as if it was right in front of me .

I would recommend the athlon to anyone that likes quality for a reasonable price the athlon is the go to scope .


Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 11:17
I have a difficult time believing a $300 scope is on par with a $1500 NF or Zeiss or Swaro.
I will be getting one and testing it myself. I'll start by comparing it to a Burris and Leu, then go up from there.


Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 11:58
Do as you please I'm giving you my oppion I had a hard time be leaving it myself but I'm an avaid shooter and I do no a good scope when I look threw one that's why that scope is sitting on top of my 7 mag instead of my 223 I put a Zeiss 4/14/44 on my 223 . I have a huskama on my 257 and a nightforce on my 6.5/284 and that athlon is as good as any in my book . if you do get one let me no what your thoughts are you can thank me later .


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 12:19
Welcome to Optics Talk. Where are you located, Wranglerdog? 

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Posted By: Abitnutz
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 20:16
This is just too painful to follow.


Posted By: anweis
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 20:38
1. buy a website design from a different company.
2. go to some exhibit or trade show and order 150 pieces each of optical products made in China, custom brand badge and cardboard box included, to be delivered in 30-45 days, to cover the entire product range from good to garbage, to suit various price ranges. Or, order on-line, whatever.
3. advertise with a low advertising budget (this is where wranglerdog earns his keep)
4. sell them
5. hope for a profit
6. If really smart, pay the China exporter after the product is sold




Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 22:17
Just got this response from Athlon:

Hi Trey,

Our CRONUS line is made in Japan by the top notch supplier in the world and rest of scopes are made in China. Comparing with PA, some of our scopes, such as Midas BTR (this is made by the factory that used to make some ELITE Scope) and Argos BTR are advanced fully multicoated and have XPL coating. The biggest difference between us and PA is we offer life time unlimited warranty while you only got one year from PA.

Hope this help you ease some of your concerns. Let me know of you have additional questions.

Kevin


Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/02/2016 at 22:20
Only the binos are made in Japan.

So yes, all their scopes are sourced and made in China. No way on earth they are "on par" with top end Euopean or Japanese optics.


Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 05:02
chinese optics have come a long way over the years take the zen ray binos was cpmparing the prime H.D  to a set a swaro's costing 3 times as much very hard to tell any difference.been told a lot a jap manufactures have moved there ops to china for obvious reasonsExcellent


Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 09:56
For many of us, it's not just about the quality and reliability of a Chinese product. Many on here don't approve of the way the Chinese leaders are doing things or the way they treat the workers. Most are paid a few cents a day for 12-16hr days. Plus, China is one of if not the biggest contributor to world pollution and they refuse to change.

I for one cant in good conscience support them by purchasing their product.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 10:00
Says the guy posting with his made in china Iphone. ;)

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 10:21
Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

Well I didnt say it was better what I said was it was secound to none of the three scopes I bad out shooting .but I'll tell you this as far as clairty I could see things I couldn't see in the huskma like the 1 inch green dot I was shooting at it was as clear as if it was right in front of me .

I would recommend the athlon to anyone that likes quality for a reasonable price the athlon is the go to scope .

Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

Do as you please I'm giving you my oppion I had a hard time be leaving it myself but I'm an avaid shooter and I do no a good scope when I look threw one that's why that scope is sitting on top of my 7 mag instead of my 223 I put a Zeiss 4/14/44 on my 223 . I have a huskama on my 257 and a nightforce on my 6.5/284 and that athlon is as good as any in my book . if you do get one let me no what your thoughts are you can thank me later .


I've been known to make a typo or two in a post, even - though infrequently - throw in a dangling participle or even use a transitive verb in an intransitive context; however, this thread is becoming a bellwether moment in the degeneration of the written form of English.  Please, in the name of the MLA gods, try harder!

On content:
1.  You fail to mention ranges shot, process of shooting,  or any detail whatsoever (that I would expect of a seasoned shooter), so I am having troubled putting much weight to your words.

2.  There is more to clarity and glass quality than when and how you see a green 1" dot.

3.  One cannot assess the overall performance of a mechanical optical device by"looking threw it." One can assess some optical performance, but without spinning turrets, putting rounds down range, and using in a variety of circumstances, it is a bay-window review, at best.

4.  I've been on this site for several years, have been shooting much longer, and have seen many (MANY) similar posts where someone trumpets a particular new brand as the golden unicorn of optics: cheap and awesome.  It happens often, the company probably sells a few scopes with the free publicity; however, I never see these scopes show up in a winner's circle at any tactical shooting competitions and never see them at the hunting camp.

5.  Nightforce has a well earned reputation, as does Zeiss, and Huskemaw is a joke I will not address at this time; but an anonymous reviewer on the interwebs telling me a no-name chinese optic is better than these will get just the one post.

6.  Vortex, a powerhouse in optics and relative newcomer to the game, established itself - not with anonymous only reviews of avid shooters doing almost nothing in testing, but - by making great scopes at a great price, and letting the performance stand for itself.

7.  Wranglerdog, I can infer from your caliber comments that you value "7 mag" over 223, and that you own a "257" also. I find it interesting that you use such generalizations, and can deduce that you do the same with your optics.

Carry on.


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Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 10:34

the quality off the zen rays was excellent ..we all know what goes on over there but not much we can do about that. but you know the old sayin you cant look a gift horse in the mouthExcellent 



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 10:54
First a disclaimer: I had not heard of Athlon optics until this thread, but I will go visit them during SHOT.

Based on where they are located on the rather well developed product line (or at least product information and pictures), it is probably a company started by a group of former Bushnell employees.  This kind of stuff happens all the time.  For example, at the heart of the new Sig optics are several former Leupold employees.

With Bushnell having gone through some serious transitions in the last few years, it is very natural to has some former Bushnell people who have the connections with the OEMs to want to start something.

I think it is too early to pass judgment simply because of one semi-literate but vocal supporter.

ILya


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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 11:33
I was on a site on face book that seamed like there were just a bunch of hipecrits on every time you made a post you were attacked by a bunh of bored pepole that have nothing to do but cridesize and act stupid . well it was easy to get away from it ha ha you guys enjoy yourselves I'm out of here .


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 11:40
Vaya Con Dios

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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 12:00
That is very true. Most items we purchase are unfortunately made in China. But when I actually have a choice to purchase or not purchase those items, I take it. A small stand, but a stand none the less.
And I'm also not paying $600 for a Chinese made scope.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/03/2016 at 14:21
Why am I not convinced to buy one.Indiana Jones

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 09:12
Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

I was on a site on face book that seamed like there were just a bunch of hipecrits on every time you made a post you were attacked by a bunh of bored pepole that have nothing to do but cridesize and act stupid . well it was easy to get away from it ha ha you guys enjoy yourselves I'm out of here .

Yet another reason to not be on facebook.

If the generalization is meant to apply here, I'm not sure to what hypocrisy you are referring.

For those who might come after, I would point out that the regulars here are always looking for new products, new makers, and new features to which we have never been exposed.  There is no ill will toward those who bring new things in or to those who have personal experiences with them.  That said, there will always be skepticism toward those that say their $300 scope equals or bests a well known $1500 scope.  We've heard it many times, we've seen it never.  And that scepticism will grow with each vague generalization and with a complete and total lack of detail regarding the evaluations.

On the Zen Ray comment, they are indeed good for the money; however, they aren't the equal of alpha-class stuff.  I heard so many good things, I bought a pair of 10x42 to compare to my go-to pair (Leica Ultravid) and my standby pair (Vortex HD.)  I am happy to discuss that comparison, but suffice to say I was impressed for the price point, but didn't shelve either of the other 2.

Finally,  to newcomers, be aware that new manufacturers (or rebranders) love to come in and mention themselves here - or send a proxy - to hock their wares.  This happens often and is expressly meant to accomplish 2 things:
1.  Sell optics by association ("If it is mentioned on Optics Talk, people will buy it.")
2.  Get hits so the item appears in a google search.

The second isn't terrible, the first is a huge disservice to those who seek advice in real world utility/value.  As a regular, I do my best to help point people in the right direction, no agenda whatsoever; and it bugs me endlessly when others impose their agenda to sucker new buyers.

Question everything.
Even me.


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Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 10:25
on the zen ray comment with the prime HD I struggled to see any difference...if I was buying it would def be the zen ray over the swaro considering the price differenceYippee 


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 11:35
If you don't see the difference then don't pay for the difference. But I would have to ask what were the conditions when you were comparing them. Was it indoors, outdoors, what were the lighting conditions and what were you looking at? Also are you expecting too much? Just because one costs twice as much doesn't mean that they are twice as good.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 11:49
The deciding factor for binos is the same as it is for rifle scopes: intended use.  On a sunny day of casual birding, you might notice no difference.  In dense woods with lots of shadow, low light, and hours on glass, you really start to see how optics differ.

As Sparky said, if you see no difference for your uses, awesome; but others using the optic under different circumstances might see things differently, literally.

I get the same question often on AR15s: why pay $3,000 for one when you can pay $800 for almost the exact same thing.  This is somewhat true.  And if you will be shooting 100 rounds/year, you'll see little difference.  If you ever put 2,000 rounds through both in a day, the differences become obvious really quick.

No one is saying you aren't seeing what you are seeing, we are simply pointing out that circumstances of use (and abuse) often make differences more obvious.


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 15:28
Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

I was on a site on face book that seamed like there were just a bunch of hipecrits on every time you made a post you were attacked by a bunh of bored pepole that have nothing to do but cridesize and act stupid . well it was easy to get away from it ha ha you guys enjoy yourselves I'm out of here .



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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 19:05
I don't think you are giving the gentleman's comment the appropriate commentary response… It deserves much more considered, resolute and unambiguous commentary. 

However, this IS a family forum and the appropriate commentary is frowned upon...


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 19:10
Too much?? 

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 20:20




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Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 20:21

  it was outdoors and we did a side by side overcast day. and to be honest the guy who had the swaros thought the zen rays were as good just as bright just as wide field off view. and the swaros were 3 times as much as the zen rays. but I would say if they was better to my eyes I could not see a difference in them conditionsBig Smile


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 20:34
Originally posted by verminator verminator wrote:


 thought the zen rays were as good just as bright just as wide field off view.


There is a lot more to it than brightness and FOV. But like I said earlier if you can't see the difference don't pay for the difference.



Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: January/04/2016 at 22:44
They say...compared to " PA "..........what the heck does that stand for ?


Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: January/05/2016 at 07:08
yep there is more to it than brightness and F.O.V  accepted but both the sets off binos were not mine so I only had a brief look for  5 mins but first impressions were what iv'e already stated...maybe sparky can do a side by side and enlighten us all and tell us exactly why he thinks the swaro's are worth 3 times as muchYippee


Posted By: Marine24
Date Posted: January/05/2016 at 07:58
PA=Primary Arms?


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/25/2016 at 18:07
I went and visited Athlon at SHOT.  They look like they got a well defined product line put together and the reticle designs look fairly intelligent at first blush.

I'll be looking at a couple of their products.  The higher end stuff is Japanese (Cronus), the rest is Chinese.  Some of the Chinese products are made by the same OEM as PA, but with Athlon's reticles.

I'll let you know what I think once I spend some time with these.

ILya


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Posted By: fiveshotdot
Date Posted: January/31/2016 at 21:58
I stumbled across this brand a few days ago in a search and this is one place I usually find valuable information. Ilya I value your opinion and enjoy your reviews and the following statements have nothing to do with you. But I can say the way a certain "wrangler" was treated was a bit harsh. It was obvious from grammer, usage of punctuation, and sentence structure he was putting forth his best efforts. There is certainly no need to jump on anyone. This is an informational forum, correct? If there were questions about shooting conditions, he simply could have been asked.
   Moving on, These scopes have gotten good marks from all reviews I have seen so far. From tracking, reticle accuracy, clarity, to overall build quality, these scopes are looking like a "win". I am planning on calling the hq tomorrow to see about visiting them (I only live an hour from Lenexa KS.)

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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: January/31/2016 at 22:24
Thanks five shot dot if you.go to Athlon ask for Kevin .
I hope you do and find there products to be better than I tried to explain them one thing I don't do is blow sunshine about hunting and or shooting optics .
Oh I have a new phone and the spell check is crazy .. lol have a good night


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 08:11
Granted, Jeff was a little quick to pounce on Wranglerdog however in his defense I will say that he was set off by the vagueness and touchy feely type desciptions.  We are forever fielding such posts and they are often generated by the inexperienced and somewhat naive.  Most of the regulars here are either professionally involved in optics / shooting arena and or avid sportsmen.  Many are here to both share with others and learn from others...  

With that being said, it's no leap that when someone comes in touting something new that we are:

1) immediately interested in whats new.

2) immediately skeptical of most all of those items claims.

3) annoyed by non quantitative and objective propaganda spouted in excitement or purposeful mis-direction.

That last one gets most of us members at one time or another.....  

The brainiacs of this forum love talking technical details and such. So when someone starts off with touchy feely descriptions and statements of "compares equally to Alpha Glass 3 times at 3 times the  cost" without technical data to back it up it instantly grates.....

This is a 'MARS Expedition" type site.....  Making / posting Venus type statements are bound to stir someone's pot....    Just saying!


Anyway please don't take it personally, we are always interested in new products and technology.
Most of us here,  with an analytical mindset might have a tendency to be short when time after time most all the Touchy feely claims are unsubstantiated or proven to be false over time....

So it's probably best to leave the "Touchy Feely" type discussion at home with your wife...


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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 09:28
I agree.

So what conclusion have we arrived at on the scopes?
Their top tier seem to be pretty nice, but at their higher price point, several other top brands come into the picture.

All the other scopes they make are Chinese. I'd rather not spend $3-400 on a Chinese made scope. Phillipines I wouldn't hesitate and own several Phil made scopes. Excellent quality and glass in my experience.
I've never had good fortune with Chinese made scopes. I've tried Hawke, Falcon ands few other "upper tier" CH made scopes. Tracking has always been off a bit and the glass on both is quite hazey at higher mags.
This was about 4 years ago, so unless the QC has come up severely, I'll stay away from the Chinese made scopes.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 09:57
OT is a hot range. If you make statements, your gonna have to back it up to some degree.

As Bud alluded to, we've had our fair share of spooks come through here proclaiming the virtues of some new company.

Carry on.

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 21:46
Excellent



      

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Posted By: fiveshotdot
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 00:32
I spoke with Trent today at Athlon and got some insight on a few things. He and the owner both came from another "elite" scope manufacturing company. Their top tier scopes use the same glass as other "elite" scopes on the market. (Or that is what I understood) they are planning on Offering 2 spotting scopes in the argos line with reticles next year . BTR is a designatiin for illuminated reticle. Their midas btr series is meant to compete with the pst and leupy mk4?(don't quote me on that one). They plan on putting out a lower magnification ffp cronus in the near future as well.
As of now this is all the information I can recall. I left my notes in my shop at work. I will also be taking a trip to their facility in the coming week amd will check back in here. A friend and myself will be checking on becoming dealers if we like what we see.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 07:12
It's always good to have another quality scope manufacturer to choose from.

I hope they turn out to have the right mindset and drive to put out quality affordable optics...


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 07:30
FWIW, it doesn't appear many dealers are knocking their doors down to buy their scopes. I just googled dealers within 500 miles and not one appeared.

Maybe it's to early in the game to tell, maybe they will be OK.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 07:59
Question is will they just re-spin the Elites they are familiar with or will they break some new ground...

If re-spun elites are all they will do I don't expect them to last long at all.

Secondly, Only their top o line is Japanese, all the rest are Chinese.  This doesn't gmake me warm and fuzzy...     China can put out decent optics but the QC policing required kills the cost savings for OEM...


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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 09:08
I as well hope they succeed in ther endeavors.


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 12:43
Newbie here!

I pulled the trigger on a Talos 4-14X44 ffp.  Mainly a hunter and don’t own any high end scopes. This scope will be mounted on my new SWFA/Seekins .223 wylde AR15 varmint gun.  Will be compared to a couple of Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 VMR-1 MRAD FFP Reticle.  One is mounted on a Savage model 12VLP .308, the other custom savage model 12VLP 6mm AI Brux bull barrel. 

I know there is a lot of skepticism about Athlon and their Chinese product scopes.  I was on a budget and the other options in no particular order. Falcon Menace, Primary Arms, Burris.  Not kidding myself, usually tend to get what you pay for.  Out of all I mentioned and a few others I didn’t.  This scope just seemed to fit my intended purpose with a budget in place.  All in all it would make a very nice scope for my 10/22. Will let you know what I think within the next week or so! Solute!          



Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 12:53
Welcome to the OT 2948!!! Howdy


We'd definitely be interested in any detailed review! 


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 14:03
The first time you walk into a car dealership to buy a car, the salesman is your buddy, wants to help, and is immensely knowledgeable of not only his offering but the offering of others, right?  After all, he sells cars, he is a professional, he only has my best interests at heart, right?

After buying 5 or more cars, I bet you walk into a dealership with a VERY different mindset, attitude, and set of expectations.

Some of us have bought more than 100 scopes, used hundreds more, and have done this dance many, many times before.

There exists, within the natural universe, possible events and probabilities of those events.  It is not statistically impossible that a person could have a heart attack while being bitten by a shark that is being struck by lightning.  The probabilities of each event is low, of all events simultaneously occurring, even lower, but always with a non-zero probability.

Hearing that a $300 scope is in every way the equal of a well established $1500 scope (with a stellar reputation for optic, mechanical precision, and support), and that said $300 comes from a new maker, that statement gets a well-deserved probability, non-zero, but close.

A guy once told me that a VW bug was the fastest production car in the world in the first 75 feet.  Saying it didn't make it true, no matter how emphatic he was.

We are welcoming and always want to hear new things.  It helps if we can comprehend the statements made, that requires a certain agreement about how written language works.

Your experiences might well differ from mine, each is a data point, one neither proves nor disproves the other; but I do have lots of data points!


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 14:19
Excellent Excellent Excellent  Well said RC.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 15:55
+1!


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 18:03
Not drink'in tha coolaid just yet.  Horse Poop 


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 18:08
😎👀

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 20:36
Jeff doesn't NEED cuss words.... Excellent

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Posted By: Magnumdood
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 22:03
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

The deciding factor for binos is the same as it is for rifle scopes: intended use.  On a sunny day of casual birding, you might notice no difference.  In dense woods with lots of shadow, low light, and hours on glass, you really start to see how optics differ.

As Sparky said, if you see no difference for your uses, awesome; but others using the optic under different circumstances might see things differently, literally.

I get the same question often on AR15s: why pay $3,000 for one when you can pay $800 for almost the exact same thing.  This is somewhat true.  And if you will be shooting 100 rounds/year, you'll see little difference.  If you ever put 2,000 rounds through both in a day, the differences become obvious really quick.

No one is saying you aren't seeing what you are seeing, we are simply pointing out that circumstances of use (and abuse) often make differences more obvious.
I just built an AR-15 for my daughter.  I bought it a part at a time.  I purchased nothing but the best available parts.  It cost every bit as much as the other high-end ARs that are sold already assembled. It shoots every bit as well as any AR on any range.  I guess my point is, you can get an AR now for around $500 -$600.  But it's going to be a 4 to 5 MOA rifle rather than a 1/4 - 1/2 MOA rifle.


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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: February/02/2016 at 22:49
Bud perm ill start off by saying you and your little group here should put a warning lable on this fourm saying speak at your own risk . let me explain i have never heard such remarks about one guy offering a helping opinion about a $360.00 scope . the statments i made about the athlon scope were made because someone ask for for some knowledge about the scope and no one on the fourm had any answers other than myself at that time .

Just to clear up a few things. i proably have as much experience in hunting and shooting than anyone on this fourm
I personally own the four scopes that i was useing as an example i wasn't just throwing out a bunch of bullsh*t .

i am still standing behind what i said about the athlon scope how ever that is my personal opinion and untill you can prove me wrong i wouldnt be so quick to pounce on my statement.

Have a great day.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/03/2016 at 03:50
Lighten up, Francis......We get it...you like Athlon. 




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Posted By: fiveshotdot
Date Posted: February/03/2016 at 16:27
Just to let you all know, I will be visiting Athlons Lenexa, ks location to preview their scopes. I will try to post a youtube link after my visit.

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 11:24
Athlon Talos BTR 4-14X44 APLR2 FFP

Before purchasing this scope I tried fooling myself into thinking it would compare to the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 VMR-1 MRAD FFP.  But now after having the Talos in my hands I realize it’s not fair or practical to compare a $270 scope to a $900 scope.  All though I only paid $180!

The turrets have distinct positive clicks, but are a little mushy with some play, but acceptable.

The magnification travel is a little wide, but again acceptable.    

The reticle imo is absolutely awesome and surpasses its price.  

The glass imo far surpasses its price.  It’s good and it’s clear, but not elite glass.   

Now as far as tracking and holding zero, not getting a chance to check for a couple weeks due to other obligations. 

I really like the looks of the scope so far.  As for the $270 price!  In my opinion I feel the features this scope brings to the table is a pretty damn good bargain.  I can’t wait to go out and play!           



Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 11:57
Wranglerdog, maybe I started this off on the wrong footing, let's start over.

Please explain to me, in as much detail as you can, your process for evaluating the optical clarity, the mechanical repeatability, and the overall quality of a rifle scope.

With that, I can begin to weight your opinions.

I have not used that or any other Athlon scope, so you most definitely have data in hand I do not.  That said, I have extensive experience with Zeiss and Nightforce.
To which specific Zeiss and Nightforce scopes were you comparing the Athlon?


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 11:57
Hope it performs to your satisfaction.  After-all that's what really counts right?
Just about everything one experiences twinges of buyer's remorse....


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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 12:27
Buyers remorse every time I buy a new diesel truck   


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 17:14
Heard dat!  Their MSRPs are ridiculous!!!!!

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 17:45
Originally posted by driller2948 driller2948 wrote:

Buyers remorse every time I buy a new diesel truck   


NO REASON TO BUY A DIESIL UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO PULL SOMETHING BIG OR RUN 500,00 MILES.

OR MORE.

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 17:52
My 2000 F-250 has 506,000 on it son driving it now! 2013 GMC 2500 already has 175,000 I rack up 60k a year in travel and pull a monster 5th wheel behind me about 25% of the time and a few other haulers!


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 17:59
FORGOT TO ASK! WHAT DO U DRIVE PEDDLER? PLEASE DON'T SAY A "RICER"


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 18:21
Nope I'm just a peddler living in snow country and a fwd works fine.The only thing I pull might be a whitetail home on a hitch carrier.Thats cuz I'm too old to put him on the roof!!!

It's just easier at my age.

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 18:35
Well Peddler, your just starting to rub me a little the wrong way!  At the young age of 49 years, I just don't get your hummer.  But sometimes friendships take time, and I still got plenty of that!    


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:05
Well driller I only do about 30 and at my age that's all I care to do. I've never done 60 but did 50 for about 10 years but never had to pull anything like you. I'm sure that's a real chore. I have a very good friend that's a diesel foreman in a big shop and he says don't buy one unless you pull something big or want to keep it for a long time.

Didn't mean to rub you the wrong way by any means and I can proudly say I've never owned any " Ricer ".

I used to drive General Motors till they went bankrupt and didn't pay anything back, now I wouldn't p==s on them if they were on fire.

We have two Explorers.

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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:22
Let's stay on topic boys. If ya wanna talk trucks, use a different forum


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:34
No Pics

how do you post a pic?  I'm just a grasshopper, but don't see option??? 


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:37
Originally posted by kickin45 kickin45 wrote:

Let's stay on topic boys. If ya wanna talk trucks, use a different forum


Really??

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Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:44
[QUOTE=driller2948] <span style="line-height: 1.4;">Athlon Talos BTR 4-14X44 APLR2 FFP</span><p ="Msonormal"><o:p></o:p>



<p ="Msonormal">Before purchasing this scope I tried fooling myself into
thinking it would compare to the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 VMR-1 MRAD FFP.  But now after having the Talos in my hands I realize
it’s not fair or practical to compare a $270 scope to a $900 scope.  All though I only paid $180!

Where did you get it from? That's a great deal. That's inexpensive enough to purchase one and give it a good run through on a few of my long sticks.


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 19:58
I have to admit A blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while!
COMPETITOR
I ordered while in stock.  Small company.  All went to Shot show.  Kevin said they would ship Monday after shot show!  They sold out at shot!  Gave me a 30% discount but had to wait extra 10 days. That's how.

Blind squirrel Bucky

Read and follow the rules you are required to acknowledge when you sign up.


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/04/2016 at 20:00
COMPETITOR




Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/05/2016 at 04:31
Driller read the forum rules please.SWFA gives us this forum to converse on and one of the most important rules is not talking about competing companies.

Thanks for your consideration.

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/05/2016 at 07:20
Even a blind squirrel has a brain fart every once in awhile Thunbs Up  


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/06/2016 at 10:42
It happens.   

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/06/2016 at 11:21
Just so you know I did drop $2,800 at SWFA yesterday on two new AR's scope mounts & ammo!  So IMO that's huge apology!  Right Laugh 


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: February/06/2016 at 11:27
You are forgiven...Go in peace, my son.

 


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/06/2016 at 11:30
Now that's funny!!!!!

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/06/2016 at 13:26
driller, no one thought your error was malicious.  You were just being reminded to: 

PAY ATTENTION!!!!



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Posted By: fiveshotdot
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 02:16
Not sure if this is allowed, but here is s great review including pictures of the cronos.
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes?s=541&page=6 - http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes?s=541&page=6


Edited to hyperlink the URL…



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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 08:22
There is generally no rules violation for linking to a review of an item, provided it is not a sales pitch/link to a sales competitor.   Optics Talk is an information based forum provided and sponsored by SWFA.  Technical reviews of hunting/shooting based items are welcomed.  Great leeway is given… but not when it comes to advertising another company's products/prices.  

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 08:47
Originally posted by fiveshotdot fiveshotdot wrote:

Not sure if this is allowed, but here is s great review including pictures of the cronos.
http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes?s=541&page=6 - http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes?s=541&page=6


Edited to hyperlink the URL…


I read through the linked Snipers Hide thread.  Interesting to note that the Athlon warranty is exactly the same as the Swift warranty used to be… once you purchase, if anything goes wrong, they'll replace or repair it… their fault, your fault, nobody's fault… no questions.  
I am interested enough to try it out.  


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Posted By: notorious
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 09:43
I was very close to purchasing the Cronus for $1520, but I held off.

I kept telling myself "If something sounds too good to be true....."


New products always come out in a sprint.  I will be patient and wait until the middle of the race to make a decision.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 09:57
Originally posted by notorious notorious wrote:

I was very close to purchasing the Cronus for $1520, but I held off.

I kept telling myself "If something sounds too good to be true....."


New products always come out in a sprint.  I will be patient and wait until the middle of the race to make a decision.

Agree, I'm not going to jump on the "high end" just yet.  


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 10:21
The fact that there are no dealers within 500 miles of where I live is enough to scare me.

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Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 10:37
Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

The fact that there are no dealers within 500 miles of where I live is enough to scare me.

It's growing online at least!  Eight new sources to buy through.  That make Nine new sources over the last two weeks.  I know that's still limited but starting to grow.    


Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 17:24
I have no doubt that the Cronus is a great scope. It is designed and made in Japan's top optical factories. The radical looks amazing as does the clarity to the glass. But for nearly $1600, there are literally dozens of other scope brands that I have years if not decades of positive feedback and most are considered some of the best scopes in the world.
I just can't see spending that type of money on an unproven optic. I'd go with a Sightron SIII first, which is the same glass, very similar ret and about HALF the price. Imho


Posted By: kickin45
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 17:25
Reticle* not radical. Stupid auto correct!!!!


Posted By: fiveshotdot
Date Posted: February/08/2016 at 23:21
Here are my opinions and findings of my trip to Athlon today. Unfortunately, I did not take any video. The reason I didn't paste here was I referenced another members review. He did a much better job than I could have to convey how nice the Cronus line really is.

http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes/ms/180675029?s=541&page=6 - http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes/14402673-athlon-scopes/ms/180675029?s=541&page=6


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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: February/09/2016 at 05:25
Well   


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/09/2016 at 09:08
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Wranglerdog, maybe I started this off on the wrong footing, let's start over.

Please explain to me, in as much detail as you can, your process for evaluating the optical clarity, the mechanical repeatability, and the overall quality of a rifle scope.

With that, I can begin to weight your opinions.

I have not used that or any other Athlon scope, so you most definitely have data in hand I do not.  That said, I have extensive experience with Zeiss and Nightforce.
To which specific Zeiss and Nightforce scopes were you comparing the Athlon?

Originally posted by wranglerdog wranglerdog wrote:

Well   


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Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: February/11/2016 at 10:22
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:


I read through the linked Snipers Hide thread.  Interesting to note that the Athlon warranty is exactly the same as the Swift warranty used to be… once you purchase, if anything goes wrong, they'll replace or repair it… their fault, your fault, nobody's fault… no questions.  
I am interested enough to try it out.  


The scope or the warranty < pound, pound, tinkle >?   Bandito


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: February/11/2016 at 11:17
He'll probably do both by shooting the scope and sending it in for warranty repair....  Howdy

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Posted By: wranglerdog
Date Posted: February/11/2016 at 14:11
OK I was so impressed with the argos 6/24/50 I ordered a Midas 4.5/27 /50 can't wait to shoot a mile .


Posted By: driller2948
Date Posted: February/15/2016 at 14:00
Saturday was a great day of shooting if not for the wind.  100 rounds of 223 and the scope was flawless. Tracked great and passed my box test.  Now for a less windy day so I can figure out what grain this new AR likes to eat. 



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