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Topic: .38 super 1911
Posted By: supertool73
Subject: .38 super 1911
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 18:39
I got a hankering for a .38 super. Dan wesson guardian or kimber eclipse?

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 19:00
Colt Commander… 

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 19:19
Dan Wesson of those two. Or depending on your budget. A Les Baer would be a good choice. Or you could also look for a used Les Baer.

So why 38 Super?


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 19:47
Just always wanted one, i like 9mm caliber and having one that shoots a 147 grain 1200ish would be fun. . I have a 45 1911 may as well try a different caliber.

I looked at several colts today. None of them really got me though

I would love a baer, but $2500ish is to much. I don't want to buy used. Used is often some one elses problem gun they got rid of.

I really want a wilson, but some of them are pushing $4000. Crazy

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 20:26
How about a colt competition

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 21:07
Win 38 Super +P   FMJ   130 gr  1215 fps 426 ft Lbs

Win 40 S&W JHP  155 gr    1205 fps  500 ft lbs energy

38 Super is Not a path I would choose to go down. Why not go 10mm  at least your should be able to find ammo for it.
  http://www.gunbroker.com/item/626385514 - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/626385514


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 21:49
Its a heavier bullet, so of course it will have more energy. Those energy numbers mean little anyway especially on a handgun. Plus factory 38 super ammo is loaded weak. Starline makes brass so finding ammo will never be an issue.

I may go 9mm. Just not finding what i want in 38.

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 21:55
You should be able to get a nice Kimber in a 9mm  I saw a used one at West Des Moines Scheels that was bright nickle in a subcompact version that was only made for a short time a couple years ago.  Really nice little 9mm.



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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/03/2017 at 22:47
There's some kimber tle 2 tfs models on gunbroker for $1000. Threaded barrel suppressor sights. That would give me an excuse to buy a 9mm suppressor too :)

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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 06:44
Tanfoglio Witness Elite Stock III is worth a look. I love 1911s, this to me is better. Fits hand great, smooth as silk, just need better sights.

https://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handguns/witness-elite-stock-iii-tanfoglio-46

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 09:25
I have been looking at the eaa. I need to get my hands on one to see how it feels. They get great reviews for sure

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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 10:22
I would try it if you could. Bought a 10mm after the 38...it's like an improved 1911....

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 13:54
So they are da/sa but can be carried cocked and locked? Is the only safety the thumb safety? It doesn't look like a grip safety is there.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 14:20
CZ75 too.

My daily carry is the STI 9mm I had all kinda problems with about 1.5 years ago. Probably a few thousand rounds down the pipe now and it is smooth and easy shooting.

Since I got the STI running well, the Blackhawk has only been out of the safe a time or 2. I am a 45 guy by history but 15-20 rounds of 9mm +P in one mag is a nice thing.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 15:56
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Just always wanted one, i like 9mm caliber and having one that shoots a 147 grain 1200ish would be fun. . I have a 45 1911 may as well try a different caliber.

 I don't want to buy used. Used is often some one elses problem gun they got rid of.

I really want a wilson, but some of them are pushing $4000. Crazy


How about a 1911 in 357Sig? That would exceed 1200 with 147gn and a 5 inch barrel. One of the LGS has a Sig 1911 Nightmare in 357Sig for About $1000.

I wouldn't be concerned about a used Wilson Combat. They will take care of you no matter how many people have owned it. I have a Wilson Combat Classic that I bought used and got it for a steal. Looked like new and never been shot. But I had an issue with it not locking back on an empty mag all the time. Called Wilson and they sent me a prepaid shipping label, arranged to have it picked up and I had it back in either three or four days. My only inconvenience was I had to make a phone call and box it up. They did the rest.

Just found out something about Dan Wesson's. A buddy was looking at one until he found out they only have a 5 year warranty. That was a problem for him.



Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 16:04
Originally posted by supertool73 Those energy numbers mean little anyway especially on a handgun. <br><br>I may go 9mm. Just not finding what i want in 38. [/QUOTE supertool73 Those energy numbers mean little anyway especially on a handgun.

I may go 9mm. Just not finding what i want in 38. [/QUOTE wrote:




Energy numbers mean little??

I purchased a Springfield Loaded in 9mm and at some point is going to Wilson Combat for trigger wo


Energy numbers mean little??

I purchased a Springfield Loaded in 9mm and at some point is going to Wilson Combat for trigger work and a match barrel plus a few other options. That will give me a very nice shooting 1911 in 9mm.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 16:28
I think his point is that energy numbers are a part of a much bigger whole (not hole, pun would have been intended.). I agree, there is more to stopping than energy, but it is a big part of the conversation.

Bullet design has come a long way in the past 10 years.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/04/2017 at 20:23
My meaning was the diff between 425 and 500 especially in a round that is going so slow to have little to no hydrostatic shock, means little. Poking a hole in an organ is the goal with a handgun and 9mms have proven to penetrate just as deep and most other defensive caliber rounds. With a defensive caliber handgun hitting your target where you should is much more important than whether i have a 9 or 40 caliber bullet.

Thats what i meant and i know you all know that as well. If we were talking rifle rounds and shooting big game things are different.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 00:11
Well i think i am going to go for a Dan Wesson valor in 9mm. A bit more than i was planning on spending, but they sound real nice.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 06:13
Buddy of mine has a Valor with the black finish. It's a very well made pistol with terrific fit and finish and a superb trigger.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 10:40
The only issue I am finding with the Valor is it does not have an ambidextrous safety.  I like to practice with my support hand and would prefer that.

The only one I can see that they make that has ambidextrous is the Specialist, but then it has a rail on the bottom which means I would have to buy new holsters.

decisions decisions. 

I am kinda liking the Valor V bob too.  Anyone got a 1911 that has the bobbed frame to help in concealment?


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 15:43
A few friends of mine have the bobbed frame and think it helps with concealment. But they don't like to shoot it a lot since for them the bobbed frame digs into their hand.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 15:48
How does it dig into the hand?  Would it be the little point on the grip where it starts to bob, possibly hitting the meat of the palm?


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: DCAMM94
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 16:02
I have a Colt Lightweight Commander in .38 Super.  It's a blast to shoot.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 16:25
With the proper holster, I have not found concealment to be an issue, even with a full size frame. Then again, I am a man-sized fella, which helps too.

Milt Sparks Executive, (if, somewhere in here, there is a mic drop emoji, insert it here.)

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 16:33
I have a summer special that I carried a Kimber commander size in for years.  It a decent holster, but I like the holsters with the large leather pad that wraps your hip and then Kydex around the gun better.  They don't move at all the summer special did a bit. 

Looks like the executive may be a bit more stable with the larger leather at the bottom 


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 16:43
Jeff, do you have a 38 super and or 9mm 1911s?  Are they as reliable as the 45s?


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 18:11
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

  Would it be the little point on the grip where it starts to bob, possibly hitting the meat of the palm?
Yes, for them that is the issue. Years ago I was looking at an Ed Brown with it and was told the same thing. The guy at Ed Brown said it bothers some people and some it doesn't.



Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/06/2017 at 19:42
The Executive has a stabilizer, it does not move, awesome holster. I had a summer special and it too moved.

I have several 1911s in 45 and just one in 9mm. The 9mm was a pain to start, sent it back to STI and they completely rebuilt the gun. Since the rebuild, it has been outstanding, exceedingly mild recoil, 100% reliable, and very accurate. I much prefer the flying ashtray that is a 45 hollowpoint, but having 20 rounds with no reload is a great thing, and bullet design has closed the gap in what a smaller caliber can do.

I don't compete so have never considered a 38 super.

The big issue with 9mm 1911s a few years back was reliable feeding, everyone seems to have figured that out. I would highly recommend my second STI build, the first was as worthless as tits on a bull.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/07/2017 at 18:31
I had some FTF issues with my Springfield Loaded 9mm, but once I switched to Wilson Combat Mags it has been 100% reliable.


Posted By: Lockjaw
Date Posted: March/08/2017 at 14:32
My fullsize Kimber is not hard to shoot well at all. I could only imagine what one would be like in a 9mm. 


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: March/09/2017 at 07:02
Unless your just dead set on a 1911 when it comes to 38Super, and the 38Super first came in the 1911, I would look at one of the EAA CZ copies in 38Super. You could send it to Cajun Gun Works for one of their many action jobs, and have a wickedly accurate and smooth shooting pistol in the caliber you want.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/09/2017 at 07:25
I went back and read the first post: is this a 38super itch or a 1911 itch?

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/09/2017 at 09:15
1911 for sure, but it was a .38 super.  But I am not finding exactly what I want in .38 super.  Most of them have target sights, which I don't want. So then I started considering 9mm as they have a lot more options.  Still looking for either though. 

I emailed Dan Wesson and asked about a few custom things.  They will do what ever I want, but it is not cheap to go away from their production offerings.  Just adding an ambidextrous safety will add $250 to 300. 

In the 9mm I am really struggling with just getting a Kimber CDP pro in 9mm vs a Dan Wesson.  I have no doubt the Dan Wesson will be the nicer pistol.  But I have had such good luck with the Kimbers I have owned I am struggling with spending more. 

 


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/09/2017 at 10:08
Get the Kimber. If it needs some tuning, I am sure there is a good smith in the area.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/13/2017 at 14:04
I got my hands on a Kimber with a bobbed frame.  Wow, I loved it.  It felt way more comfortable in my hand than the standard grip. 


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/14/2017 at 17:37
Well I bought a Kimber 9mm today.  Aegis 2, full size with alloy frame, got a smoking deal on it.  Darn Wilson mags are $45 each, but gotta get some of those.   




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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: March/14/2017 at 19:17
Tell this company I sent you and try out and review there holsters on the new pistols. There going to help with the guardian match in Ga in may... So let's help them as much as we can buddies.
http://formidableforceholsters.com/


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/20/2017 at 16:10
My pistola was on the Fedex truck today and the dude at the pawn shop decided he wasn't going to open til 1:00 today, so he missed the delivery. 

Totally bummed. 


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: March/20/2017 at 17:29
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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/20/2017 at 20:17
That sucks to say the least!!


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 09:51
The only thing worse than FedEx is UPS.  And USPS.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 15:33
Well I got it.  I switched the grips right away as I don't like wood and they were thin grips.  Also the safety has to go, it is a cute little bobbed thingy.  I new that would be the case so I already ordered a ambidextrous one and should have it tomorrow or Thursday.  $60 for a Kimber safety and Dan Wesson wanted $250 to $300 to change one on their guns.  Its a five minute part change.  Crazy.

Hopefully run and shoot it for a work break in a few. 




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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 16:51
110 rounds down range, no stoppages or malfunctions.  But two of my ultra awesome Wilson Vickers mags don't hold the slide open on the last round.  That is a bit disappointing considering their claims. 

But the gun itself is off to a good start. 


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 18:08
Congrats! Nice looking 1911. And WC will take care of you.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 18:47
Sweet!!! Excellent


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 19:05
What the hell is a Vickers Wilson magazine? Why go beyond a 47 magazine which are awesome.

Why improve a thing that doesn't need improving?

Send those back, get the 47d magazines, done.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 19:26
47d are for the 45

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 21:11
So...there is that.
Are the vickers the 47d of 9mm?

My experience with non-45 1911s is limited to double stacks, so no wilsons in that; otherwise...

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2017 at 21:34
No there is no 47 equivalent in 9mm that i could find. They have the etm and vickers. In 45 there is the 47, the etm, and the vickers. I chose these as i like the base pad better. If they would have have 47 equivalent i would have bought them as well. I love my 47d's. The followers are metal and i bet i can just tweek the slide stop rest on the mag, but will wait and see what wilson says. I sent them an email today.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 00:06
I had a 1911 (My WC Classic) that from time to time wouldn't lock back on an empty mag. Turned out it was a gun issue and not a mag issue.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 06:19
Did it lock back on the stock magazine?

Where is your left thumb during the shot?

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 08:04
Yes stock mag locked back several times. As did the other wilson mag. My thumbs ride ontop the safety

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 09:41
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I had a 1911 (My WC Classic) that from time to time wouldn't lock back on an empty mag. Turned out it was a gun issue and not a mag issue.


What was the issue?


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 12:55
Took them both out shooting last night.  80 more rounds out of the 9mm.  Still on those two mags slide closes.  After shooting them side by side, I need to get a mag well for the 9mm.  I'm looking at a nighthawk custom one with the rounded butt.  Looks real nice.

I have not shot the 45 much lately, forgot how much I love the 1911. 





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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 15:02
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I had a 1911 (My WC Classic) that from time to time wouldn't lock back on an empty mag. Turned out it was a gun issue and not a mag issue.


What was the issue?
Sorry I don't remember what WC said they had to do to it. It was probably close to ten years ago.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 15:29
Last night I cleaned it up good and put on some fresh Lucas oil. 

Just got back from shooting another 150 rounds.  Initially I was only putting 5 in each mag and shot each one 3 times and the slide locked back just fine.  Next I loaded them full to 10 rounds and started again.  First mag each all was fine.  Then on one of the mags the next two full mags it did not lock back.  But the other two were fine.

Maybe things just need broke in.  The gun is running good with that exception.  I will keep shooting and see.  I shoot 3 or 4 times a week, so I will focus on this gun for a while and see how she breaks in. 


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 17:49
Wilson told me to bend the follower a bit and see if that helps.  If not send them back.  That's what I wanted to do, but didn't want to void a warranty or something. 


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/22/2017 at 20:42
If you are counting your rounds, as you should be, it is less an issue.

Always count your rounds, takes your mind off the shooting, where thinking about a thing makes it worse.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/04/2017 at 11:41
Well I got the safety and magwell and installed them.  Changed grips again too.  I like the way it turned out.  Still shooting good and a bend of the follwer has seemed to fix the slide lock on empty issue.




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Posted By: Uncle Lawrence
Date Posted: April/05/2017 at 11:41
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:


I would love a baer, but $2500ish is to much. I don't want to buy used. Used is often some one elses problem gun they got rid of.

Not true with a Baer, if theres a problem Les will fix it. If you buy a Baer used, you have no worries about it reliability.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/05/2017 at 12:12
Other than i still may have to send it back and waste my time.   

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/05/2017 at 15:07
Nice looking pistola, Jason!Thunbs Up

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