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357 Crimp

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Printed Date: December/12/2017 at 06:06


Topic: 357 Crimp
Posted By: JLud
Subject: 357 Crimp
Date Posted: March/31/2017 at 21:50
So now that I have my Hornady progressive i have started loading a pile of handgun brass that I didnt see worth it on a single stage.  I havent done any revolver rounds before so these are my first.  My question is how do these look?  

Left one is what i ran the first batch of 50 at...looks almost just like a bit of a taper.  Tried to get more of a crimp on the cannelure and I think you can see that in the 2nd pic.  Any problems with either, one more better than the other, both dicked up?  

Input appreciated.  Sure is a lot faster this way...spent primers getting hung up about every other one and not indexing great yet but for most part pretty good.






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That thing on the left....my old ride, some days I miss her.



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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/01/2017 at 09:27
Hornady has taper crimp dies that i prefer over roll crimps. I put them in the 5th station and have them for all my pistol rounds. It holds the magnum rounds in place during heavy recoil but doesn work the edge of the brass so much. Also Lee factory crimp is another great option.

I have done roll crimps like that and they work just fine too.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/01/2017 at 09:29
How are the primers getting hung up? Possibly need to lower the primer pin in the die

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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: April/01/2017 at 11:00
Just needed to move die down a bit...with everything else getting dialed in it was my lowest priority but an easy fix and now good. Had a flipped primer, primers not feeding consistently for a while as well but just has been better just by smacking the drop now and then. Can easily feel the primers when they don't seat so that helps.

Learned a lot, switched it over to 223 at the end of the night. I need to read the good way to empty primer tube that didn't go so well. I can see a separate powder measure in my future to leave one set up for each rotor. All in all have been really happy with it. Even going as slow as I did and making lots of little learning adjustments it is still so much more practical than single stage.

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That thing on the left....my old ride, some days I miss her.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/01/2017 at 11:17
Primer adjustment is all done at the top of the guide rod where it attaches to the top of the press. One you get it all dialed they just roll and roll.

Timing is by the small adjustment pawls on the bottom of the ram

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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: April/02/2017 at 17:42
As I am trying some of my first ever progressive rounds I will admit I was a bit more nervous than usual.  The thought of a double charge scared me and as I was pulling the trigger I thought to how many learning mistakes I made and began to realize just how much more critical this can be versus rifle one by one where I cant double charge etc....

Smith wesson 686 in 357.....So things going good, a bit of cratering on the primers so will need to back a bit lower.  Tried the crimp and no crimp and both worked fine no problems...until.  

Loaded one last round to fire by itself in the 7 shot cylinder.  Point, aim, click....just click.  Thought hmmm...held in safe direction, tried to open...locked up tight.   Had no idea what it would be, have never had a squib round but thought surely if a squib would be SOME noise other than click.  Couldnt have been bullet coming loose from recoil as it was one round loaded by itself.

Tried forums and finding all I could for why it might be locked up.  Then i took out my 586 to compare it too and a relatively primitive method of measuring cleaning rod depth led me to believe that I somehow did get the bullet lodged halfway in barrel and cylinder.  Sure enough, tapped it hard enough, back the bullet went, and opened right up.

I never knew a squib was silent.  This also confirmed my worries regarding the progressive reloader.  When I started out I had a lot of learning going on, but thought I weighed every cartridge just to confirm no empties or double as I only made about 100 rounds.  My variance range was around 1 grain and chalked that up to brass/bullet variation for the most part, but somehow i missed one.

I did not have Hornady powder cop set up initially but I did incorporate it for the last few rounds and can see its value even though it doesnt lock press.  All in all, a great reminder of how much more careful i need to be than single stage and I consider myself lucky i didnt have the accident the other way of a double.  Will be reweighing every round again that was left out of batch one and maybe for a while.  Certainly makes me a lot more worried.


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That thing on the left....my old ride, some days I miss her.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: April/02/2017 at 18:27
You gotto remeber everytime you stop the press mid stroke you have to move every piece of brass back. Dump the powder out of the on that was getting powder first. I did a squib load early on in my 454.

I sit up close enough and physically look inside of the one coming off the powder station. I look at every single one.

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Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: April/03/2017 at 09:10
I had my case feeder (11 year old daughter) helping me...we were weighing a lot of charges just to be sure and i got out of sequence doing that I am sure.  What i dont understand is how we missed it while weighing each one, but weighing the remaining rounds again.

Still i had no idea a squib would be so quiet.  I have never set off a primer before to see what it sounds like but i thought would have heard something besides the click of the firing pin.


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That thing on the left....my old ride, some days I miss her.


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: April/04/2017 at 06:59
I've fired squibs before and you usually do hear the primer going off....

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