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Topic: New 6mm With Mausingfield Action
Posted By: nralifer
Subject: New 6mm With Mausingfield Action
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 08:01
This is my new build. It is a 6mm Comp Match, a modification of the 243Win similar to the 243 AI but retaining the original taper and having a 37 degree shoulder.  The chamber is made by Long Rifles Inc. in Sturgis, SD. The cartridge can be fire formed from a 243 Win cartridge (in the pic to the right of the loaded 6CM) by the method I described in another post (see" Deck's 7mm WSM Brass Problem Solved")  The gun can shoot the new experimental 96gr PICBM (Jason thinking again) bullet (G1BC 0.545) using Retumbo at or beyond 3200 fps.  The Mausingfield short action is super smooth, has controlled feed and will accept single feeding without putting the shell in the mag first. The stock is a $250 Magpul 700 Hunter stock. I dropped right in with only a slight amount of inletting to allow for the side mounted bolt release.  The funky looking bolt handle is quite comfortable and functional.  Magazine is an American Rifle Co. 10 round center feed mag that will fit any AI Magazine compatible bottom metal and will accommodate 2.955" OAL ammo.   The Muzzle brake will fit Thunder Beast suppressors. Mine works great with the 338 Ultra which I can use in my 308 or 338 rifles as well. Still in load development but the rifle is capable of 1/4 MOA groups.  Barrel is a K&P 5R 1:7 twist barrel.  This cartridge/bullet combo has a flatter trajectory and better windage at 1000 yds than a 260 Rem shooting a 140gr 0.6 G1BC bullet. Barrel life is supposed to be around 3000 rounds. Perfect for AntelopeYippee




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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 09:54
Really nice rifle, George!

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 10:20
Sounds like a really great rifle.  I've been wanting a Mausingfield action rifle.  I just can't decide what I want it to shoot (caliber).  

Really want to hear all about it.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 11:25
Sounds like a nice build. Question on bullets: why do you and Jason only list G1 BC values? It does not seem to be a good predictor of downrange trajectory with modern bullets. G7 seems to work better.

ILya

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 12:56
We are going to get individualized drag curves for some of the ICBMs. The weird thing is that at at low Mach numbers drag starts to increase then drops off rapidly as the bullet becomes subsonic. One guy told us that for the 250 SICBM the BC we quoted he thought was low since he was hitting high at 1750 yds. A rough estimate of G7 BC is half the G1 realizing that below Mach 1.4 the Von Karman function governing the ogive shape of our bullets is more efficient at low Mach numbers that are the secant or tangent functions.

One thing about the Mausingfield is that if you can bare to use a barrel nut you can use barrels threaded for Savage actions. If you are conflicted about calibers get barrels for both👍

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 14:11
Originally posted by nralifer nralifer wrote:

We are going to get individualized drag curves for some of the ICBMs. The weird thing is that at at low Mach numbers drag starts to increase then drops off rapidly as the bullet becomes subsonic. One guy told us that for the 250 SICBM the BC we quoted he thought was low since he was hitting high at 1750 yds. A rough estimate of G7 BC is half the G1 realizing that below Mach 1.4 the Von Karman function governing the ogive shape of our bullets is more efficient at low Mach numbers that are the secant or tangent functions.

One thing about the Mausingfield is that if you can bare to use a barrel nut you can use barrels threaded for Savage actions. If you are conflicted about calibers get barrels for both👍
Caliber conflict comes from just not knowing what caliber I want to invest in… my comparison factors are not predicated on "a vs b", but "what do I really want to do with it?".  
I have to drive over an hour to get to a "medium" range, 2.5 hours to a "long range".  The Mausingfield action has intrigued me ever since I first read about it.  Just having trouble with the "what and why" of really needing one.  Tell me enough about your experiences with it and I may break down… 
 


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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 19:31
It simply is the most versatile bolt action there is, and is the one that will maintain the bullet as perfectly aligned to the bore centerline as possible.  Anything with a plunger extractor puts an eccentric force on the cartridge so if there is space there will be some misalignment to the cartridge.  If you can stand a barrel nut, changing barrels is a 15 minute process, so if you wear out a barrel, no gunsmith bill needed.

To convince the wife that it is absolutely necessary, assure her that ARC did a lot of destructive testing to be sure the shooter would not be injured in the event of a case rupture.  So safe she can't afford to have you use anything else. Wink

Now for the caliber. You need something a little exotic and unique like a 338-06 AI shooting a 225gr Bulldozer. With a BC of 0.64 and a MV of 2600+ the trajectory is the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor with  140 gr bullets but will arrive with a lot more energy.  You could kill anything in the world with that cartridge with less recoil than a 338 Win mag. 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 20:45
Lori won't care.  

As for caliber… you are a real jerk… I"ve aways wanted a 338-06… was having one built at one time but the shop burned.  Long story.  

OK, I"m thinking on it...


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/16/2017 at 23:14
I actually spoke with Lori about this… she wanted to order me one for Christmas.  I explained that it would take a little more time than that to meet my complete set of requirements for building this rifle.  Now I'm on the hunt.  

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 09:24
Ha! I knew you liked the 338-06Excellent  You will like it even more shooting these high BC all copper missiles in the AI version from that long, silky smooth, superbly aligned, tuned, flawlessly feeding and accurate Mausingfield. The 225gr Bulldozer and the 234 ICBM (BCs 0.64 & 0.66 respectively) will have more energy at 300 yds than the 6.5 Creedmoor has at the muzzleSharp ShooterDeadlyShocked





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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 10:17
Originally posted by nralifer nralifer wrote:

Ha! I knew you liked the 338-06Excellent  You will like it even more shooting these high BC all copper missiles in the AI version from that long, silky smooth, superbly aligned, tuned, flawlessly feeding and accurate Mausingfield. The 225gr Bulldozer and the 234 ICBM (BCs 0.64 & 0.66 respectively) will have more energy at 300 yds than the 6.5 Creedmoor has at the muzzleSharp ShooterDeadlyShocked




Nice.  339-06 has been one of my "wants"…  I'm still on the fence about it, but started the research again.  


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 12:08
Originally posted by nralifer nralifer wrote:

It simply is the most versatile bolt action there is, and is the one that will maintain the bullet as perfectly aligned to the bore centerline as possible.  Anything with a plunger extractor puts an eccentric force on the cartridge so if there is space there will be some misalignment to the cartridge.  


I’ve heard that mentioned as an “advantage” in favor of actions with fixed blade ejectors many times, and conceptually the argument makes sense. However, I don’t buy it. I’ve got no shortage of actions using both ejector types, and if that made a difference, I’ve never been able to see it on targets. Lots of benchrest competitions have been won with plunger ejector actions. If you think about it, plain ol’ gravity has the same effect. Instead of the case leaning toward the side of the chamber in response to plunger spring force, gravity makes the case ride the bottom of the chamber.

I prefer a blade type fixed ejector simply because I can control the case ejection force and distance by how forceful I work the bolt. But as with most things in life, gaining one advantage usually involves making some negative concessions. A fixed ejector system is slightly less safe in the event of case rupture, because it requires a slot through the bolt head that gives gas an escape path back toward the shooter.

The Mausingfield is a cool action, but damn, I wish they’d used a bolt knob design that didn’t look like a Christmas tree ornament!

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 12:18
That's the reason I like it… I have Christmas tree ornaments exactly like that (different color).  I may paint it if I get one…




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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 16:56
I guess that’s why they still make chocolate & vanilla isn’t it.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 17:43
or vanilla chocolate...

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 19:38
Couldn't hang it on the tree, so dressed it up a bit


        

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 22:33


Ted Karaglas explains his design on youtube:



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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/17/2017 at 22:47
I just gotta say why a magpul stock? Such a beautiful setup and then that stock. Just a little ribbing is all ;).

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: December/18/2017 at 03:48
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I just gotta say why a magpul stock? Such a beautiful setup and then that stock. Just a little ribbing is all ;).


Agreed 😂

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/19/2017 at 22:55
More for practical reasons. I needed the gun quickly because we were developing more bullets for the 6 mm caliber. I could get the barreled action done in 2 weeks but would have to wait 6 -8 weeks for an inletted Manners stock. The twist needed for the new bullets was going to be 1:7 and my friend, who sells for LRI in Sturgis, had a 7 twist barrel available. As it turned out I like the Magpul stock. It is adjustable for cheek rise and LOP, and has a stiff forend sufficient for a bipod. It is a real value for the money. The action dropped right in save for a very minor inletting to accommodate the side mounted bolt release. Also, once sighted in, removing and replacing the action in the stock did not affect the point of impact.  Jason just finished the prototype bullets today (100 gr Bulldozer and a 105gr ICBM, both with BCs that we think will be higher than the 105 Berger), so I will have the chance to shoot them this weekend if we don't have a blizzard. The gun is capable of 1/4 MOA or smaller accuracy.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/20/2017 at 08:00
Lori gave me a "thumbs up" on the Mausingfield in 338-06 with a Cadex chassis.  There are some specifications to work out, but looks like I'll be making some orders sometime after the first of the year.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/20/2017 at 08:02
I'm seriously thinking of painting the the bolt knob in Christmas tree decoration colors...

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: December/20/2017 at 18:49
I love my Mausingfield. Built mine in 22-250. Have a second action sitting in my safe if anyone want to buy it. Or until I decide what else to build.

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/20/2017 at 19:31
Should be an AWESOME 338-06, especially the bolt knob.  Excellent 

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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: December/20/2017 at 21:25
Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I just gotta say why a magpul stock? Such a beautiful setup and then that stock. Just a little ribbing is all ;).


Agreed 😂
This^   Rifle is a piece of art. Then put it in that stock. One of these days I'll talk him into good stocks.

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/21/2017 at 06:34
Heck. Wouldn't be until well into summerHead Banger before I would get a "good" stock done. Needed something NOW! Want to test your 105 gr 6mm ICBMSharp Shooter

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/21/2017 at 07:11
What's wrong with the stock?  I like it.   As a matter of fact, I may get one for an interim until I get what I really want.  The CADEX is way cool, but doesn't fit my purposes.

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: December/21/2017 at 11:13
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

What's wrong with the stock?  I like it.   As a matter of fact, I may get one for an interim until I get what I really want.  The CADEX is way cool, but doesn't fit my purposes.


I’m old fashioned those stocks are butt ugly. I understand their purpose and if I were a long range shooter I’d probably consider one. Traditional hunting is my choice.

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/21/2017 at 21:59
That rifle is not a hunting rifle. It is too heavy to carry comfortably. It needs to be quite accurate because the way we measure BCs is to use two radars 300 yds apart so that we can track the bullet 400 yds and get velocity reading every yard.We like to put the bullet within 3-4 inches of the downrange radar that is protected by an AR500 gong.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/21/2017 at 23:32
I've decided mine is going to be a pure hunting rifle… I'm going to have a wooden stock made for it.  As for heavy… still doesn't bother me.   I'll TRY to keep it as liight as I can, but the action starts out at 5 lbs.  Most likely will go with a 24 inch barrel.  Looking at exhibition grade walnut.  
I really like the CADEX chassis, but not for this rifle.  


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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 07:15
Nice choice. The beauty of this action is that you could switch stocks, depending upon what type of shooting you will be doing, and not change the zero. The CADEX strike nuke is similar to the Mag Pul. You could hunt comfortably with the wood stock and stretch out the your target practice to beyond 1000 yds with a chassis style stock.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 07:19
Originally posted by nralifer nralifer wrote:

Nice choice. The beauty of this action is that you could switch stocks, depending upon what type of shooting you will be doing, and not change the zero. 
That's what I've been reading… read a "blog" by a BR shooter who said he swapped chassis three different times "just to see" and experienced zero change in POI.  Of course, those chassis had been previously "set up" for that action/barrel.  Still, impresses me...


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 13:06
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I've decided mine is going to be a pure hunting rifle… I'm going to have a wooden stock made for it.  As for heavy… still doesn't bother me.   I'll TRY to keep it as liight as I can, but the action starts out at 5 lbs.  Most likely will go with a 24 inch barrel.  Looking at exhibition grade walnut.  
I really like the CADEX chassis, but not for this rifle.  


Though the website says it weighs 5 lbs, that’s obviously a mistake. The long action with rail included weighs 2 lb 4 oz.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 13:20
I was shocked when I saw 5 lbs.  Glad you posted a correction Ted. 


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 13:22
So if it is a remington foot print, what have they done to it so it can move from stock to stock without changing zero?


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 14:01
Nothing. It’s the same as any other Rem footprint action being interchanged between properly bedded stocks/chassis. Unless there is variable pressure against the barrel, the stock hasn’t warped and stressed the barreled action, and provided you torque screws the same, you can remove from stock and replace without zero shift. That fact isn’t unique to the Mausingfield.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 14:59
That's kind of what I figured.  Thanks Ted 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 18:09
Good to know the weight is half the advertised.  
As for POI changes after changing stocks, I don't have a lot of experience with Remington based systems, think I've only owned two ever.  However, I've always been told that Remington actions are more susceptible to "movements".  Perhaps, that is the point being made by Mausingfield… they don't have that problem.  


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 20:56
The Mausingfield is a 1.35" dia cylindrical action with a recoil lug up front and 2 mounting screws, just like a Rem 700. In order to fit stocks designed for Rem 700, it has to have the same dimensions. Cylindrical actions are self-centering in properly bedded stock inletting. If the recoil lug area has been bedded, the action can only fit in the stock in one orientation. The same applies to all custom actions having Rem 700 footprint dimensions, along with the Rem 700 itself. 

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/22/2017 at 21:04
You are absolutely correct...

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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 06:58
Can't wait to see the rifle put together. The 338-06 is incredibly versatile.You can hunt anything in North America and could also go for Cape Buffalo if you found  guide that would let you use it.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 07:41
Yep, lowly 30-06 has killed everything on the African continent… 338-06 will be better…
I'm going to have a stock constructed for it… the Mausingfield is not a complete drop-in for many Remington 700 based stocks/chassis… will work with some, but many require modifications.  I'm having one built for the action.  I think it will look nice.  
I've located 3 companies (and 2 backups) and will start contacting them next week to make a final decision.   


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 08:15
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

the Mausingfield is not a complete drop-in for many Remington 700 based stocks/chassis… will work with some, but many require modifications.


You may have to remove a little material directly in front of the recoil lug in some stocks to allow room for the Savage style barrel nut, but apart from that, the action itself is a complete drop-in to any stock designed for Rem 700.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 08:18
That being said, if you are planning to have a wood stock with exhibition grade walnut, you’re not talking about a drop in stock anyway. Unless you find the rare takeoff custom stock someone had made for a 700, exhibition grade wood = custom stock.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 08:25
It was not the original plan, as I think is clear.  I was thinking of a drop in stock/chassis until I decided to have a custom stock built.  

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 08:30
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

the Mausingfield is not a complete drop-in for many Remington 700 based stocks/chassis… will work with some, but many require modifications.


You may have to remove a little material directly in front of the recoil lug in some stocks to allow room for the Savage style barrel nut, but apart from that, the action itself is a complete drop-in to any stock designed for Rem 700.

"The Mausingfield receiver is compatible with triggers, trigger guards, and magazines designed for use with the Remington Model 700 (hereafter M700). Below the stock line, the Mausingfield receiver is similar in shape to the M700, making it compatible with many of the chassis systems and stocks designed for the M700. However, the ejection port of the Mausingfield is slightly different than that of the M700. The Mausingfield also has a bolt stop that is centered on the bore axis and protrudes from the side of the receiver. Thus, when fitting a Mausingfield barreled action to a stock designed for the M700, slight alterations may have to be made to the stock near the ejection port and the bolt stop.
The Mausingfield action is not compatible with barrels designed for use in the M700."
So perhaps not a complete drop in...


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 09:38
That’s just the standard disclaimer that’s good advice for all Rem 700 footprint custom actions. Forgot to mention the bolt release button stock cut. That’s standard fare with any action having a bolt release button on the side of the receiver since the Rem 700 has its bolt release button forward of the trigger. Not a big deal, though. Maybe 5 min of work with a Dremel tool and carbide cutter, followed by light sanding with a sanding block. As for the ejection port, that all depends on where the stock line is relative to the centerline of the action when seated in the inletting. If the inlet is deep /stock line high, you will have an ejection port relief in the stock. Depending on the stock, you may want to contour the relief so it looks nice and pretty and follows the lines of the action’s ejection port. That is an aesthetic thing, not hampering function. As for stock inlet matching barrel contour, it goes without saying that unless you choose a contour that matches the barrel inlet in the stock, you will always need to modify the stock for the barrel. That applies to any barreled action. For all intents and purposes, it’s a “drop in” action, but if you apply a “zero modification whatsoever” standard to the term “drop in,” then there really is no such animal, because you can never guarantee every combination of custom action and barrel combination will fit perfectly to every stock designed for the action. The term “drop in” as it pertains to stocks designed for a given action means that the inletting for that action family has already been done, that you don’t have to modify the basic inletting in the stock to accept the action and screw hole positions. This doesn’t mean you’d never need to make minor modifications for stuff like bolt stop buttons, extra wide ejection ports, fatter than normal bolt handles, different bottom metal/trigger guard designs, or if you chose a wider than standard aftermarket trigger asst. This is all kinda taken for granted when buying aftermarket parts for a custom barreled action, and many times, the person buying an aftermarket stock plans to apply a finish of some sort, so minor fitting modifications will be covered by the new finish anyway. Anyone with a basic level of “handiness” who isn’t a complete klutz with hand tools can make all necessary modifications to a stock to fit the variations of custom parts chosen in less than 20 min time. Speaking for myself, I would rather have to make minor fitting modifications to a stock because then the finished stock to metal fit will be closer and look better.

If a stock or action manufacturer really means no fitting whatsoever is required, they will typically use the term “100% drop in.”

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 09:54
Hey Dan, please don’t take my posts as me being argumentative, as that’s not my intent. Keep in mind that I typically build 4-5 custom rifles a year, and for me, making modifications and adding custom “touches” to so-called “compatible” parts is part of the fun and reason for building the custom rifle to begin with. I’m personally not interested in stuff you just screw together and call it done. I don’t even leave factory rifles box stock most of the time. My point is, the Mausingfield is no different from any other Rem 700 footprint custom action with regards to parts that work with it except for the use of Savage style barrel nut barrel installation and the fact they use their own proprietary scope mount rail.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 10:11
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Hey Dan, please don’t take my posts as me being argumentative, as that’s not my intent. Keep in mind that I typically build 4-5 custom rifles a year, and for me, making modifications and adding custom “touches” to so-called “compatible” parts is part of the fun and reason for building the custom rifle to begin with. I’m personally not interested in stuff you just screw together and call it done. I don’t even leave factory rifles box stock most of the time. My point is, the Mausingfield is no different from any other Rem 700 footprint custom action with regards to parts that work with it except for the use of Savage style barrel nut barrel installation and the fact they use their own proprietary scope mount rail.
Ted,
 
I'm having a custom stock built… not doing it "all myself" because I do not have the tools or access to the tools for that level of work.  It will be fit directly to the Mausingfield action described below:
"The Mausingfield is not a Remington clone. It’s a bolt action in a class by itself, derived from a comprehensive understanding of what a bolt action must do, and decades of both engineering and manufacturing experience.
The parts comprising the Mausingfield action are not compatible with any corresponding parts used for any other action. These actions include those manufactured by Remington, Savage, and Winchester, or by any company that manufactured Mauser M98 actions, past or present."
I've not had my hands on one, George and Drew are the only ones I know who have.  I spend  lot of my career investigating new and interesting "stuff", professionally and privately.  I like what I see with the Mausingfield and like what I've heard about it.  I've put a number of possible projects on hold or delete in order to get the Mausingfield, the way I want it.  So far, I don't see any downsides. 
Have a Happy Christmas.


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 12:14
I realize all that and never meant to imply there’s a downside. Just want to make it clear to anyone reading this thread who is contemplating buying the Mausingfield action that, just like any other custom action designed with Rem 700 footprint, the main components you typically buy to complete the build that you would have compatibility concerns about— stocks, triggers, mag boxes, follower, follower spring, bottom metal, action screws — if you pick Rem 700 style parts for those components, they will work with no problems. That’s all. Functionally, feature-wise, “above the stock line” parts-wise, no, it’s not a Rem 700 clone. But if they didn’t intend for you to use Rem 700 stocks, triggers, magazine parts, and bottom metal, they wouldn’t have made the action to have the exact same dimensions as a Rem 700 on the underside, where you’re concerned with mating it to aftermarket parts. The “ing” part of the name “MausINGfield” comes from “RemINGton” ...feature-wise, it’s a MAUSer-RemINGton-SpringFIELD synthesis.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: December/23/2017 at 14:00
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I realize all that and never meant to imply there’s a downside. Just want to make it clear to anyone reading this thread who is contemplating buying the Mausingfield action that, just like any other custom action designed with Rem 700 footprint, the main components you typically buy to complete the build that you would have compatibility concerns about— stocks, triggers, mag boxes, follower, follower spring, bottom metal, action screws — if you pick Rem 700 style parts for those components, they will work with no problems. That’s all. Functionally, feature-wise, “above the stock line” parts-wise, no, it’s not a Rem 700 clone. But if they didn’t intend for you to use Rem 700 stocks, triggers, magazine parts, and bottom metal, they wouldn’t have made the action to have the exact same dimensions as a Rem 700 on the underside, where you’re concerned with mating it to aftermarket parts. The “ing” part of the name “MausINGfield” comes from “RemINGton” ...feature-wise, it’s a MAUSer-RemINGton-SpringFIELD synthesis.
So it's a Mausingremfield… Love it.  NOW that we've established THAT… 
Happy Christmas…



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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: December/24/2017 at 07:32
I don't know who might know this, But Ted Karagias, who owns ARC is a mechanical engineer from Duke University by training, and he has to have a great deal of technical knowledge of metallurgy and machining.  His products show it.  I think he has worked for Boing on the 777 in  his early career.  His short action magazines will fit AI style bottom metal, are center feed and allow bullets of over 2.955" OAL  simply because they are made from thinner steel and are rugged as hell.  They are absolutely perfect for 308 Win derived cartridges and allow the use of long ogive bullets.

Here are a couple of examples 

6mm Comp Match 105g ICBM (prototype for now). 46.5gr Superformance (SPR) 3246 fps, COL 2.950" feeds flawlessly.

6mm CM, 96gr ICBM,47.5 gr SPR COL 2.950" 3350 fps, feeds flawlessly

308 Win from 24" Bartlein 150gr Bulldozer, COL 2.90", WLRM primer, 50gr Leverevolution 3119 fps.  Fits the ARC mag perfectly. 

One could not fit these rounds in a Kimber or Remington 700 SA action production rifle or AI short action mags simply because the magazine internal capacity is TOO SHORT because of inefficient space utilization due to poor design.  Yet these rounds perform like WSMs  from 308Win-derived brass!

The Mousingfield short action and magazine is like putting a heavy duty transmission in your project car. It will allow you to accommodate more horsepower


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Posted By: Scrumbag
Date Posted: January/02/2018 at 03:35

Having done a bit of research into the Mausingfield before commissioning a build, it seems to me that the philosophy was to have the good features we like about Mauser / CRF / Positive extraction features people like with a footprint that fits more accessories such as triggers and stocks



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Posted By: nralifer
Date Posted: January/11/2018 at 05:47
Also the versatility of a barrel nut as well.

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