New SS 2.5-10
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Topic: New SS 2.5-10
Posted By: jonoMT
Subject: New SS 2.5-10
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 13:31
This is a nice addition the the SS product line. Good going, SWFA!
http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-2510x32-ultralight-rifle-scope_topic44959.html - http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-2510x32-ultralight-rifle-scope_topic44959.html
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Posted By: 6.5x47
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 13:35
Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 14:02
Japan, I think, but I'll check.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 14:42
Japan.
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Posted By: Rs130754
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 15:12
I just got the email of the release. This might be exactly what I am searching fo for my .17 her or .22lr. I wonder what parallax is set to? 100 yards?
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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 15:35
Parallax is set to 100 yards according to the specs in the link.
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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 15:51
That would be a great scope for a 17HMR, and in my price range too.
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Posted By: SgtRed
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 16:40
This is a VERY strong entry into the hunting scope market for SWFA. I expected nothing less.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 17:03
I played with a prototype for a bit and it is a very nice little scope.
It spent some time on my 10/22 and worked really nicely there. As is usually the case with scopes that are set up at 100 yards, it will not be perfectly sharp inside of 50 yards at 10x, but as you lower magnification a little, it is very serviceable.
I will fully ring out a production version shortly and have an update up toward the end of the week.
This scope will really do well on hunting ARs and micro action bolt guns.
Aside form being very light, it also has a really slim eyepiece:
ILya
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Posted By: 6.5x47
Date Posted: July/02/2018 at 19:14
Nice. I’m looking forward to hearing more.
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Posted By: Scrumbag
Date Posted: July/03/2018 at 02:55
Looks interesting! Be great on a walking / stalking rifle
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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: July/03/2018 at 14:25
i mean perfect for a 17 Hornet!!
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Posted By: Scrumbag
Date Posted: July/03/2018 at 16:18
Tip69 wrote:
i mean perfect for a 17 Hornet!! |
Also thinking for a .223 Rem bolt action ;)
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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: July/03/2018 at 16:37
koshkin wrote:
ILya |
Love the Aadland covers and magnification handle but I think you doubled the weight of the scope when you added them or did Jon sneak them on there? lol
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Posted By: Cactus Chip
Date Posted: July/04/2018 at 00:07
I purchased one of these scopes today. Not my first SS scope. While I haven’t mounted it on a rifle yet i compared it to a Leupold Vari-x II 2-7x32 and a Vari-X III 3.5-10x50 and it seems to be between the two in resolution and very close to the same light gathering of the III at 6 power. Now its time to choose a rifle to put it on!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: July/04/2018 at 05:31
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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/04/2018 at 06:09
I'm seeing lots of complaining (elsewhere) relative to the "short" ER. Looks good to me though.
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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: July/04/2018 at 09:07
Great to finally see an SS hunting scope. This scope should be in Tally's and covered with an old inner tube
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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/04/2018 at 09:41
tahqua wrote:
Great to finally see an SS hunting scope. This scope should be in Tally's and covered with an old inner tube |
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/06/2018 at 18:29
Here are my first impressions of the production model: http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2258 - http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2258
I think all the hubbub about short eye relief stems from people wanting a lightweight scope for their lightweight boomers. I think the design intent for this one is different: ARs and botlguns chambered for 223, 6.8SPC, Grendel, Blackout, etc.
ILya
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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: July/07/2018 at 13:05
Interesting observation ILya. I figured it was short action light weight rifles in deer calibers. I am concerned about the reticle in low light, though.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/07/2018 at 14:29
tahqua wrote:
Interesting observation ILya. I figured it was short action light weight rifles in deer calibers. I am concerned about the reticle in low light, though. |
I'll play with it and see how it does in low light. The upcoming BDC reticle is a little bolder.
ILya
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/07/2018 at 14:48
I like this scope overall. If it had about 1/2" more eye relief at max magnification and a bolder reticle, I would have already bought one. A scope like this on a super light hardcore mountain rifle would be sweet. I'd be willing to give up a couple ounces if there were an HD version of this same basic concept with just a tad more eye relief. I realize more eye relief would probably require a larger ocular diameter.
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/07/2018 at 15:56
I would love to see SWFA introduce an HD version of this scope with, say, 3" ER at highest magnification, a 36mm objective, a bold plex, #4, or similar, and weighing around 12 oz. I would immediately snap up a 2-8X36 SS HD hunting scope at 11 oz, 11" long, but I realize my tastes are out of style.
This scope is tempting as-is, but I would want this for a light BG bolt action, not an AR, and I'd prefer a big more eye relief for that.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 12:25
RifleDude wrote:
I would love to see SWFA introduce an HD version of this scope with, say, 3" ER at highest magnification, a 36mm objective, a bold plex, #4, or similar, and weighing around 12 oz. I would immediately snap up a 2-8X36 SS HD hunting scope at 11 oz, 11" long, but I realize my tastes are out of style.
This scope is tempting as-is, but I would want this for a light BG bolt action, not an AR, and I'd prefer a big more eye relief for that. |
What you are describing is very close to Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 and is along the same veins as VX-3i 2.5-8x36.
Personally, I agree that SWFA would do exceedingly well with a scope like that. However, if I were SWFA, I would generally keep my HD line restricted to either fixed power of FFP products.
Now, if they managed to make a 2.5-10x36 HD with covered windage turret, low profile exposed elevation turret, FFP reticle with a simple tree and a single illuminated dot in the center for low light weighing it at less than 16 ounces, I would be all over at in a heart beat and a lot of other people would be too.
This scope as is is quite good. I am not as concerned about eye relief as most others simply because I spent a fair amount of time with an old Sightron compact that has similar eye relief on a 7.62x54R Mosin. One of the reasons I never got bit with that scope is the slim eyepiece and this one looks potentially even smaller in diameter. It is not just eye relief. You do not get hit in the eye. You get hit on whichever portion of your face sticks out the most. For different people, it is a different thing. For people with deeply set eyes, it is the eye brow (stock crawling does no help). For me, it is the bridge of the nose, which is much more likely to come in to contact with the eyepiece if the eyepiece is large in diameter.
If I were building a lightweight mountain rifle, I would probably build one chambered for the 6.5Grendel and for intermediate cartridges like that, this scope has plenty of eye relief.
ILya
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 15:00
"Eye relief"… whatever...
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 15:17
koshkin wrote:
RifleDude wrote:
I would love to see SWFA introduce an HD version of this scope with, say, 3" ER at highest magnification, a 36mm objective, a bold plex, #4, or similar, and weighing around 12 oz. I would immediately snap up a 2-8X36 SS HD hunting scope at 11 oz, 11" long, but I realize my tastes are out of style.
This scope is tempting as-is, but I would want this for a light BG bolt action, not an AR, and I'd prefer a big more eye relief for that. |
What you are describing is very close to Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 and is along the same veins as VX-3i 2.5-8x36.
ILya |
I really like both of those scopes, especially the Razor HD LH 1.5-8X32. I just have more faith in the mechanical integrity of a SS scope and I like seeing them expand their line to hunting-oriented models.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 15:29
I agree on expanding the SS line, as long as some original SS DNA is still present.
As far as Razor HD LH goes, did you have any issues with it? Mine spent most of its time on 458SOCOM with no ill effects.
ILya
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 15:48
koshkin wrote:
I agree on expanding the SS line, as long as some original SS DNA is still present.
As far as Razor HD LH goes, did you have any issues with it? Mine spent most of its time on 458SOCOM with no ill effects.
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No, I didn't have any issues with it. I liked it a lot. Then again, since it didn't belong to me, I didn't exactly punish it either, and I had it mounted on a mildly recoiling rifle (.300 BLK). SWFA SS mechanical durability - tracking integrity and ability to hold POI - is more of a known proven commodity than Vortex's hunting models. Or, at least that's my impression, and I have more faith in that aspect of SS scopes.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 16:01
RifleDude wrote:
koshkin wrote:
I agree on expanding the SS line, as long as some original SS DNA is still present.
As far as Razor HD LH goes, did you have any issues with it? Mine spent most of its time on 458SOCOM with no ill effects.
ILya |
No, I didn't have any issues with it. I liked it a lot. Then again, since it didn't belong to me, I didn't exactly punish it either, and I had it mounted on a mildly recoiling rifle (.300 BLK). SWFA SS mechanical durability - tracking integrity and ability to hold POI - is more of a known proven commodity than Vortex's hunting models. Or, at least that's my impression, and I have more faith in that aspect of SS scopes.
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Now, I see the problem.
You should pick up one of the HD LH 1.5-8x32 while SWFA has them on sale: http://swfa.com/vortex-1-5-8x32-razor-hd-lh-rifle-scope.html - https://swfa.com/vortex-1-5-8x32-razor-hd-lh-rifle-scope.html
Once you have the scope on hand, since all of you current scopable rifles already have optics, you will need to go ahead and buy a new rifle appropriate to the scope.
I suggest you get started on acquiring the scope, while I go do some market research and see which rifle you should get for it (more specifically, I want to pick something I am interested in trying next time I visit).
While you are at it, you may want to consider picking up the new SS UL as well. I am sure we will find a good rifle for it without too much difficulty.
ILya
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 16:58
koshkin wrote:
RifleDude wrote:
koshkin wrote:
I agree on expanding the SS line, as long as some original SS DNA is still present.
As far as Razor HD LH goes, did you have any issues with it? Mine spent most of its time on 458SOCOM with no ill effects.
ILya |
No, I didn't have any issues with it. I liked it a lot. Then again, since it didn't belong to me, I didn't exactly punish it either, and I had it mounted on a mildly recoiling rifle (.300 BLK). SWFA SS mechanical durability - tracking integrity and ability to hold POI - is more of a known proven commodity than Vortex's hunting models. Or, at least that's my impression, and I have more faith in that aspect of SS scopes.
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Now, I see the problem.
You should pick up one of the HD LH 1.5-8x32 while SWFA has them on sale: http://swfa.com/vortex-1-5-8x32-razor-hd-lh-rifle-scope.html - https://swfa.com/vortex-1-5-8x32-razor-hd-lh-rifle-scope.html
Once you have the scope on hand, since all of you current scopable rifles already have optics, you will need to go ahead and buy a new rifle appropriate to the scope.
I suggest you get started on acquiring the scope, while I go do some market research and see which rifle you should get for it (more specifically, I want to pick something I am interested in trying next time I visit).
While you are at it, you may want to consider picking up the new SS UL as well. I am sure we will find a good rifle for it without too much difficulty.
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Dammit, there you go trapping me with a rock-solid argument whose logic is inescapable! I will likely need both scopes from which to extrapolate their relative merits with other optics I own, and since it makes no sense to have a scope without a perfectly good rifle hanging from underneath it, it only follows that I should get 2 more rifles to match.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 17:09
For the 2.5-10x32 SS, I suggest you get a Howa micro action in 6.5Grendel.
For the 1.5-8x32 HD LH, Browning BLR is 300WSM.
Try to get it all set up before I come to you neck of the woods in October .
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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 18:01
Facilitator! 💥💥💥
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/08/2018 at 18:03
I prefer influencer, but whatever works.
Spending other people's money is all sorts of fun. Perhaps I should go into politics...
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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 06:11
In training to become a Democrat?
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 12:58
bugsNbows wrote:
In training to become a Democrat? |
Take that back or I am going to donate to Brady campaign on your behalf.
ILya
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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 14:50
Kickboxer wrote:
"Eye relief"… whatever... |
Take a light to midweight hunting rifle in the 30-06 class out in the field, get prone, and shoot a steep uphill angled shot. You'll see what poor eye relief feels like. No offense to SWFA at all intended, but there's no way I'd buy this scope instead of a Leupy 2.5-8x36. Never seen the Razor koshkin is pushing.
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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 14:54
koshkin wrote:
bugsNbows wrote:
In training to become a Democrat? |
Take that back or I am going to donate to Brady campaign on your behalf.
ILya |
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 15:00
JGRaider wrote:
Kickboxer wrote:
"Eye relief"… whatever... |
Take a light to midweight hunting rifle in the 30-06 class out in the field, get prone, and shoot a steep uphill angled shot. You'll see what poor eye relief feels like. No offense to SWFA at all intended, but there's no way I'd buy this scope instead of a Leupy 2.5-8x36. Never seen the Razor koshkin is pushing.
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You should see that Razor. I've recommended it to a bunch of people and so far they are happy.
ILya
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/09/2018 at 15:01
bugsNbows wrote:
koshkin wrote:
bugsNbows wrote:
In training to become a Democrat? |
Take that back or I am going to donate to Brady campaign on your behalf.
ILya |
Sorry, I couldn't resist. |
You are officially off my Chanukah list...
ILya
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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: July/10/2018 at 07:54
JGRaider wrote:
Kickboxer wrote:
"Eye relief"… whatever... |
Take a light to midweight hunting rifle in the 30-06 class out in the field, get prone, and shoot a steep uphill angled shot. You'll see what poor eye relief feels like. No offense to SWFA at all intended, but there's no way I'd buy this scope instead of a Leupy 2.5-8x36. Never seen the Razor koshkin is pushing.
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my shot was downhill.... but it had the same effect.... a nice scar on my forehead!
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Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: July/12/2018 at 15:37
If they have other reticles available in November I'll probably get one..
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: July/12/2018 at 19:07
JGRaider wrote:
Kickboxer wrote:
"Eye relief"… whatever... |
Take a light to midweight hunting rifle in the 30-06 class out in the field, get prone, and shoot a steep uphill angled shot. You'll see what poor eye relief feels like. No offense to SWFA at all intended, but there's no way I'd buy this scope instead of a Leupy 2.5-8x36. Never seen the Razor koshkin is pushing.
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