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Topic: New Sig P365 SAS (Gonna Be Hot)
Posted By: Chris Farris
Subject: New Sig P365 SAS (Gonna Be Hot)
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 11:27
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html - https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-sas.html



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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 11:32
That is cool.   And I hope not "gimmicky" cool.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 13:05
I'd have to have hands on before I make a decision on it. I happen to think the standard P365 with or without a manual safety is pretty hard to beat.


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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 13:06
That looks very interesting. Looking forward to seeing it up close and personal.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 14:41
That's an interesting development.  I was wondering who will be the first to put Meprolight's Bullseye sight on a stock gun.

I've played with it a little at SHOT and thought it was an interesting idea that seemed really fast at close ranges.

ILya


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 15:36
Because I am not the sharpest ball in the drawer: it is a rear ring and a front dot that must be aligned, correct? Given it is a shorter "radius", it is a far more demanding alignment, I would guess.
If the gun indexes well, it should happen pretty quickly and naturally. The windows look to be fiber optic. When something breaks or fails, I wonder what that looks like.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 15:48




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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 15:53
One downside I see with what Sig has done is by making it near flush you loose the ability to rack the action using the rear sight for one handed drills. 

I nearly bought one when I bought new sights for my XD, but ended up with traditional sights. 


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 17:02
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Because I am not the sharpest ball in the drawer: it is a rear ring and a front dot that must be aligned, correct? Given it is a shorter "radius", it is a far more demanding alignment, I would guess.
If the gun indexes well, it should happen pretty quickly and naturally. The windows look to be fiber optic. When something breaks or fails, I wonder what that looks like.

Sorta.  It is not quite the same thing as normal sighting radius, but you are generally correct.

The nice thing for speed is that if you see the dot, you can pull the trigger and get center of mass hits out to reasonable ranges very fast with a very low profile sight.

I really need to try it on a gun with proper holster presentation.

ILya


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 08:59
Wonder if it will be the same pricing, $500ish.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 09:50
I ordered one of these sights last night.  I will post what I think after I have shot it a bit. 


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 11:39
I was really skeptical of the Meprolight FT when I first saw the ads for it, but after watching a few video reviews, I'm really intrigued by it. It looks to me that despite its short size, alignment precision is comparable to a much longer sight radius. I'd be interested in trying one out to see how fast it is to acquire the "bullseye" sight picture and how it compares with conventional sights for shot precision.

As for the P365 SAS, I really like how they recessed the Mepro FT into the slide. Very slick! If I like the sight, I might give some thought to machining a pocket for it on my P365 to duplicate that setup.

Will be looking forward to hearing your impressions of the Mepro FT, Jason!


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/22/2019 at 14:46
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I ordered one of these sights last night.  I will post what I think after I have shot it a bit. 

Have you had a chance to play with it?  Now that I live in a free-ish state and can buy all this stuff, I have renewed interest.

I picked up Glock 48 already and like it a lot, but I an interested in this sight integration Sig is doing.

ILya


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/22/2019 at 19:10
i put it on last night. But did not get a chance to shoot it yet. I practiced my draw stoke with it a bit. Its definitely different. I am slower with it for sure. But with practice i think it will good 

They dont actually slide into the sight grove tight. So no sight tool needed to put them on. You tighen them down with set screws and they suggest gluing it with locktite. 


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/22/2019 at 23:46
Interesting.  I realized that I have a CZ75 compact that I sorta forgot about.  I do not like the sights on that gun, so I might try the FT on that.

ILya


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: September/23/2019 at 00:14
Get Your Popcorn Ready


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/26/2019 at 11:25
I ordered the FT Red sight fro my CZ75.  I am going to have some work done on that CZ anyway, so I'll change the sights while I am at it.

ILya


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: October/08/2019 at 23:13
i still have not got the chance to shoot with the new sight. But i have done a lot of dry practice. I am now comparable with them vs my regular sights. 

However tonight i was dry practicing with them in very low light. My eye are so trained to focus on the front sight that in low light it makes the ring and the dot very blurry. At first i thought something might be wrong with the sight. But i figured out i was focusing my eye to the distance of the front sight, as soon as i refocused to the rear sight it became very clear.  My muscle memory for years have been trained to focus on the front sight, so its going to be an issue for me. 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 07:40
I got to shoot one at a local gun store's range, standard magazine.  Very nice.  I really like the "built-in" sight system... makes one wonder why it is just now being used.  Smooth, comfortable to hold, very accurate.  It's on my list of "I need one..."  I wouldn't give up one of my current handguns to get one, but it is most likely (I have no reason why it would not be) the next handgun purchase I make.  
Not a lot of time spent with it... they probably did not think of everything, but I didn't see anything they missed. 
As a good friend of mine once said about beer... "I don't see how they can make anything so darned good, so darned cheap".


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 09:19
my only concern would be losing the “front site post” in high stress.  If you index shoot, not really a problem, but otherwise...

Also, old eyes might pose challenges.

And those who have spent their lives looking for the front site now have to look elsewhere.

But yes, I am also intrigued.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 09:27
I am about to send my CZ75 Compact to CGW for some mods and they will install this sight in it while they are at it.

I have a suspicion it will work quite well.

ILya


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 09:30
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

my only concern would be losing the “front site post” in high stress.  If you index shoot, not really a problem, but otherwise...

Also, old eyes might pose challenges.

And those who have spent their lives looking for the front site now have to look elsewhere.

But yes, I am also intrigued.
Agree with all, but those issues are overcome by "perfect practice".  ("Practice", per se, does not make perfect... "perfect practice" makes perfect... what my Isshin-Ryu master used to tell me)


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:14
the biggest problem i see is unless you move all your guns to this sight, muscle memory is going to be an issue. You can perfect practice and relearn for this new site, but once you switch back to another pistol could be in the same boat with not focusing on the front sight now. 

I like the idea of the sight, but i am really struggling going back and forth. I dry practice several times a week. And this is an issue


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:17
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

the biggest problem i see is unless you move all your guns to this sight, muscle memory is going to be an issue. You can perfect practice and relearn for this new site, but once you switch back to another pistol could be in the same boat with not focusing on the front sight now. 

I like the idea of the sight, but i am really struggling going back and forth. I dry practice several times a week. And this is an issue

At the moment I have iron sight only guns and RDS equipped ones.  I have sorta figured out how to transition between the two, but at this stage, I am faster with the RDS.  This Bullseye sight is something else entirely, so we will see how it pans out.  

I've got a couple of new Shield red dot sights heading my way, so overall, I am int he RDS camp, but we'll see how it goes.

ILya


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:30
As Jeff said high stress is the worry.  Even if you practice both ways, what happens if your eyes focus wrong to the sight you are using.  If could cost you your life, or the life of a family member. 

I really do like the sights though and in good light I don't seem to have the focus issue, but in low light its bad for me.  Since most defense situations happen in low light, I will likely never use one of these sights on a CCW gun.  Just use them for range practice and carry when I am on my ATVs or hunting. 


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:34
Well, with the RDS, that is resolved by co-witnessing, which is one of the reasons it has been a fairly easy transition.

With the Bullseye sight, time will tell if I can make it work well enough.

ILya


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:37
I am also really liking Shields on range and carry guns. I have yet to have one fail, and if it does, I have a front site and a rear site and am already indexing.

This new site, yea, I’ll probably get one, but it won’t be called upon - I hope - in a moment of need.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/01/2019 at 10:40
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I am also really liking Shields on range and carry guns. I have yet to have one fail, and if it does, I have a front site and a rear site and am already indexing.

This new site, yea, I’ll probably get one, but it won’t be called upon - I hope - in a moment of need.

With Shield, I have RMS and two RMSc sights.  SMSc and RMSw are on their way to me.  No issues whatsoever with any of the RMS sights or with the SIS I have.  

RMSw is probably going to go onto the gun I use the most.  I am really gong to test that "w" in its name.

SIS is probably going to go onto my AK and stay there for a bit.

ILya


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/04/2019 at 09:16
I got to look at the P365 SAS over the weekend. I kinda like it. For what it's meant to be, I think it has potential to be a better mouse trap. I'd like to shoot it before I made up my mind, but for a concealed carry close in pistol meant for bad breath to antisocial distances it could be a good insurance policy.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2019 at 17:28
I'm going to get one...

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/05/2019 at 08:44
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'm going to get one...

Give us a report when you do. I'd like to know how it compares to iron sights out to 25yds, and how fast or easy it is to pick up the sights at bad breath distance.


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/05/2019 at 09:57
What I think Dan meant to say was.  He's already got one on order and he'll update us as soon as he gets his hands on it...

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/05/2019 at 13:39
I used one at the range... really didn't have any issues.  Very accurate... I shot about 1.5 inch group at 25, but only in all shot 20 rounds.  Yes, there is some "adjustment" to the sight, but I didn't find it difficult.  To me, it is instinctive.  But I've been told I'm odd a number of times...  (I kind of like being odd).

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/05/2019 at 17:52
Well, you're odd enough for me.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/05/2019 at 18:36



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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 05:52
Damn, I MUST be getting smarter!!!  I knew better than to touch that one.....


Odd is as Odd does....


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 05:53
Wonder what type of reply that one will generate?

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 06:34
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Very accurate... I shot about 1.5 inch group at 25, but only in all shot 20 rounds.

Whoah now. 25 yards or 25 feet?




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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 06:43
Dan, I've known and been friends with a lot of odd people. I even have "One Odd Dog", but none where that kind of odd. Sorry, I'm not your "Midnight Cowboy".

Bud, you surprise me. I thought you'd jump on that like cheap whore on a 20 dollar bill.


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 08:51
Guess I'm lucky it wasn't a $50...  Bucky

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 15:59
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Very accurate... I shot about 1.5 inch group at 25, but only in all shot 20 rounds.

Whoah now. 25 yards or 25 feet?



thank you for the heads up... did not intend to leave units out... it was a little over a yard past the 7 yard mark... approximately 25 feet.  I did not shoot at all past 10 yards. 


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 16:18
I wonder if the old ASP Guttersnipe sights inspired these new sites?

Classic Guns: Smith & Wesson Model 39 'ASP' Combat Pistol

by SI Staff - Thursday, April 19, 2018


If the most famous member of Her Majesty’s secret service carries one, it may be the highest compliment a pistol can receive. In Gardner’s Bond novel, “Role of Honor,” written in the 1980s, the secret agent’s signature Walther PPK was temporarily replaced by an innovative, yet obscure, concealed-carry firearm called the ASP 9 mm Combat Pistol. It is a  https://www.smith-wesson.com/ - Smith & Wesson  Model 39 double-action, semi-automatic pistol modified for the kind of fictional spy work for which Bond is best known, but it was created in the real world for professionals with an actual need for a deep-carry sidearm.


Back in the 1960s, New York City holster maker Paris Theodore had a reputation for producing the kind of special equipment used in spycraft: pen guns, briefcase guns and even a cigarette lighter capable of firing live ammunition. His company, Armament Systems Procedures Corporation (or “ASP”), occasionally filled orders for clandestine government agencies and, as the story goes, it was approached by one to create an ideal pistol for undercover work overseas. Recognizing the popularity of the 9 mm cartridge in other parts of the world, Theodore chose the Smith & Wesson Model 39 for the project and began to make changes. 


He shortened the Model 39’s slide and barrel, replaced its collet bushing with a fixed-barrel bushing, bobbed the hammer and installed a trigger-guard extension that served as a stabilizing finger rest for the index finger of the shooter’s supporting hand. Theodore also replaced the pistol’s factory sights with his patented “Guttersnipe Advanced Sighting Plane,” a short channel, which tapered from rear to front. When correctly centered, the target was seen to be surrounded on three sides by the yellow frame and appeared as three equally balanced triangles.

The short sight radius eliminated the need for a conventional front sight and, with practice, the Guttersnipe was capable of fight-stopping accuracy at combat distances. The profiles of all of the pistol’s external parts were radiused and smoothed to prevent snagging.

Additionally, the ASP was outfitted with clear Lexan grips, and a cutout in the side of the magazine made it possible for operators to verify at a glance the number of remaining rounds in their pistol. At a time when the word “ambidextrous” was not often used in the gun industry, the ASP was made in both right-hand and left-hand models—another aspect of Theodore’s work that was ahead of its time.

All of these features combined to make a pistol that offered significant advantages to anyone in the world of espionage. Civilians wanted Theodore’s modified Smith & Wesson Model 39, too, so he patented the design and began selling it out of his shop on West 39th Street in Manhattan, NY. For nearly 15 years, Theodore made the ASP pistol, but in 1982 he licensed its production to the ASP Corporation of Appleton, WI.

He stopped working on firearms in 1987 and died in 2006. Although this real-life “Q” is no longer with us, Paris Theodore lives on today as the mastermind behind a truly innovative pistol design.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/06/2019 at 16:45
Nifty pistol  

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/07/2019 at 06:56
Oh I remember the ASP. S&W started making compact versions of the Mod. 39/59 and even came out with a line called the Chief Special that were similar to the ASP, but never used the ASP sight.
As for sights, I still like the SAS sight.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: November/07/2019 at 11:16
I was able to play with the 365SAS last night at the LGS and liked the sights. I found them easy to acquire.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/07/2019 at 19:39
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I was able to play with the 365SAS last night at the LGS and liked the sights. I found them easy to acquire.

Ditto...


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