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The Savage is lesser quality metal parts that fight each other. The easiest way to characterize it is a worn one gets like a well used Rubik's cube, sloppy and binding. I don't know why the ejection gets sketchy. 

Now, those are the factory ones I've used as stock or swapped barrels or bolt heads on. Supposedly there is a smith who can make them very smooth when new. I've never used a slicked up one. 
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Well I heard back from Remington, they said the rifle is shooting within spec. I am tempted to write back and say the Savage shoots within better spec..... LOL!!

But they did say the countour was varmit, so the lija barrel ought to be right. 

I went back and looked at my targets. I shot 8 shots with the ELD-X. First was to see where the gun was with the new stock. It was high left. I adjusted the elevation down where I wanted it. Shot again and was basically dead on, but still left. I adjusted windage and shot it 3 more times. That group, while still left, was around .8 inches. Then I adjusted to center it, and got 1.2. 

That in a nutshell is how this gun shoots. I would take .8 all day long if it did it all day long. It is so sad that I can sit there and shoot my old 700 in 270 and do that day in and day out, and it will just put shots in a tiny little cloverleaf hole. And that is with a barrel I probably hadn't cleaned in 20 years. 

I wonder if I shot some of those Tubbs bullets out of it, if that would help? They have them preloaded already, with the different  grit on each set of 10. The reviews are pretty good, even if accuracy didn't improve, cleaning does. 

Here is what is truly sad. I shot my Ruger Hawkeye Compact 308 at the range the other day. With Federal Premium Nosler Partition, 180 grain ammo. It's got a 16.5 in barrel, it weighs 5.75 pounds without a scope, and no recoil pad. It is not pleasant to shoot in a T-shirt. I ended up with some bruising, but put 3 shots into a 1.2 in group at 100 yards. With a 2-8 power scope. 

Heck I was really close to 1.2 with my 1971 Marlin 30-30 with Hornady Leverevolution ammo at 100 yards. It really likes Remington Hog Hammer, but it seems to shoot the barnes ammo about the same. 

And the Marlin, also without a recoil pad, is much more easy on my shoulder than my little Ruger 308. 




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What Savage does well is build barrels. They go to great lengths to make sure they have straight, uniform bores, and this is why they typically shoot well. The spanner nut installation system they use for mounting the barrel to the action and establishing headspace...albeit ugly...is an ingenious way of assembly that lowers manufacturing time and cost. I can't fault Savage for filling a price point niche and doing it in a sensible way. They represent a reasonably good value for money spent, due almost solely to their barrel quality.

In contrast to their excellent barrels, I can't stand their action and most of their stocks. The action features a bolt stop that doubles as the sear, made of stamped sheet metal. Their trigger assemblies are also made of stamped sheet metal parts. The bolt shroud is loose and "jiggly." The action overall is poorly fitted and finished. In fairness, I do think the "floating" bolt head and the bolt race baffle behind the bolt lugs are good ideas. 

With few exceptions, their stocks are cheaply made and (IMO) have poor ergonomics. I can't totally fault them for this, as again, they are trying to meet a price niche.

I think Savages are a good choice for a rifle you basically plan to abuse. For something like a prairie dog rifle, where you routinely shoot thousands of rounds in a weekend, they're a good choice, because you can easily and inexpensively replace the barrel when you burn one out.
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I like my son's little savage. Except for ejecting the spent round. 

I like my Ruger M77 and Hawkeye too, but they aren't as tight as it relates to the bolt cycling as a remington. When I was in college, I had a Winchester model 70, now that had a smooth bolt. I wish I had kept that gun. I traded for my Remington 700 BDL. Which has been a fantastic gun, but I haven't seen the 270 just drop deer like the 308 or 7-08 does. 

The first rifle I bought was a Savage 110, in 270, and man alive did that gun kick. No recoil pad at all. The Winchester I added a Pachmyr decelerator pad, which everyone loved the looks of. That helped it. The Remington, which came in their Rynite stock, didn't have a pad either. 

I switched it out to a Hogue bed block stock and never looked back. 

If I rebarreled my 308, I am thinking I might want to do a 7-08. But probably won't. 
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I don't think I have mentioned this yet, but get a Tikka. Big smile   It does/has everything you just listed. 
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Tikka doesn't leave the factory unless it shoots 1 inch or less, probably the best off the shelf new. With a Remington to get the best accuracy a gunsmith will true the action and re cut the crown on the barrel as well as glass bedding and free floating the barrel. Savages seem to shoot very well right out of the box but the extractor leaves something to be desired.  The extractor of preference now is one Badger Ordnance makes that is like an AR-15 extractor design but without the hump on the back (I just had one put on a Remington R5  300 WM.  The Sako type extractors also seem to work well.  I have been less than excited about the accuracy of my Ruger 77 in 300 WM but the extractor is plenty strong and unlikely to ever fail as a hunting gun it is quite solid, never fails. So each make has some positive factors.  Remington's don't seem to start out shooting to their full potential but a good gunsmith can do a lot to help them and if you throw enough money at them they will shoot.
You can go whole hog on a Remington but it gets spendy : http://www.gaprecision.net/rifles-ready-to-ship/6-5-creedmoor-remington-700.html
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