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Good going Casey!  Take your time and do it right Bro!
 
Looks like you got it licked Excellent
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 Well, it seems like every time I start working on this project, time just screams by. This evening I starting working on the how to, including pictures and ran out of time to finish taking pictures of the middle and highest settings with the 2016 and resistor sandwich. I will certainly try to take these tomorrow. Sorry to keep you guys waiting, I just can't seem to find enough time lately. I will add that the middle and highest settings are brighter than the lowest setting, but I find it hard to tell the difference between the brightness of the middle and highest setting. This may be a question for BudBig Grin. I think I need to build another sandwich, with a lower value resistor, and see if that helps the middle and highest settings without making the lowest setting too bright.
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I have to commend you for the effort you put into this, Casey!Excellent 

Good work!
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Casey try reducing teh resistor value by about 20 percent and see what the med to max intensity range looks like then.  I have always thought that just about every Illuminated scope I have seen has had too much light at the high end!
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 Okay, I think these pictures are pretty good. To make sure the comparison was fair, I took pictures of the reticle with the 2032 battery and the 2016 battery with resistor. These were all taken this evening. Like I stated earlier, the middle setting and highest setting (with the 2016/resistor sandwich) are hard to tell a brightness difference. I'll take Buds advice and reduce the value by about 20%, and see what that does.
 
 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I have to commend you for the effort you put into this, Casey!Excellent 

Good work!
 
 
 Thank you. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bud aka budperm. He has been a TREMENDOUS help with this project. Without him, this wouldn't have been possible. Thanks Bud! You're the man!!


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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Casey try reducing teh resistor value by about 20 percent and see what the med to max intensity range looks like then.  I have always thought that just about every Illuminated scope I have seen has had too much light at the high end!
 
 
 I've been thinking about this, and I think your right. The higher settings are really useless.  I might still make another sandwich just to see what it looks like, but I think you're right.
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Originally posted by ti-force ti-force wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I have to commend you for the effort you put into this, Casey!Excellent 

Good work!
 
 
 Thank you. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bud aka budperm. He has been a TREMENDOUS help with this project. Without him, this wouldn't have been possible. Thanks Bud! You're the man!!
 
Thanks for the cudoes Casey but I am just giving advice and supplying some parts.  Glad I could help!  Just trying to repay the OT community for all I have learned from them. 
Your doing all the work!  Good job bro!  Pass It On!
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I would take what budperm said a step or two further, I have never seen a discreet setting illuminated reticle that wasn't too bright on it's second or third lowest setting under any conditions when you would want it lit.  And none have really gone nearly low enough for when it is actually dark.  IMO, they should all be made with infinite rheostats to get low enough.  Very good work, I love your results so far.
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 I've been working on a how-to for anyone who wants to try and build one of these. The problem is, I finished the sandwich without taking some of the pictures needed to complete the how-to. What I'd like to do is post what I have so far, and then edit to add when I take the proper pictures to finish the how-to. This is what I have so far:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 First off, let me start by saying again, this wouldn’t have been possible without Bud, aka: budperm. He kindly shared his electronics experience, (genius) and he has been a TREMENDOUS help in this project. In fact, that’s probably an understatement. He sent me some parts to complete this project, and he sent them free of charge. He wouldn't even let me pay for the shippingHippie. If the information on these pages helps you, please show thanks to Bud.
 
 
 
 
 Alright, this is the first sandwich that’s been built, so keep in mind, the resistor value could probably change before this project is over. Also, keep in mind, the resistor value in this project will be specific to the Hawke Endurance 30. The same resistor value will most likely work in a number of other scopes, but the only illuminated reticle  scope I own, is the Hawke Endurance 30. If you use the same resistor value that I use in this project, and the end result is not what you wanted, just go up or down in value to get the desired results.
 
 The resistor sandwich consists of two pieces of .010 inch thick Mylar cut into circles, some 30 gauge wire wrapping wire, a chip resistor and some RTV. Some tools required for this project are: Dial calipers, flat razor blade, scissors, soldering iron (I use a 15 watt iron from Radio Shack), small alligator clamps and a magnifying glass. I find that a self supporting magnifying glass, with built in arms that have alligator clamps on them work best for soldering on small parts. Some tweezers would probably help out too. Here’s a picture of the magnifying glass:

 

 
 
 
 Use a pair of scissors to cut two square pieces of Mylar, just a tad bigger than a 2032 battery:

 

 

 
 
 
 
 Take a 2032 battery and a tool like this:

 

 
Or, you might be able to use a razor blade to scribe a circle into the Mylar. Like this:

 
 
 
 
 
 
 At first, I did this with the positive side down, which is much easier to get a nice circle, but ended up flipping the battery negative side down, because the piece of Mylar (positive side down) was larger in diameter than the battery. You should end up with something like this:

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Then, take a flat razor blade, and cut the scribed circle out. I find it easier to cut like this:

 
 
 
 
 Just be VERY CAREFUL and don’t lose any digits. You should end up with something like this:
 
 

 

 

 Then, cut two pieces of wire wrap, about 5 ¾ inches long. Take your razor blade and strip off about 4 ¾ inches of insulation. This is how I stripped the insulation:

 

 
 
 
 
 
 You should end up with something like this:

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Thunbs Up Well done so far Casey!  Just about anybody should be able to duplicate it when your done! Excellent
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 Today I was at my local gun shop, and out of curiousity, I wanted to look at a couple of different scopes with an illuminated reticle. The first scope I looked at was a Bushnell Banner, I think. It had an illuminated reticle that could be changed from red to green and vise versa. I turned it on green and then red, looking at both lowest settings. It appears to me that both red and green were about the same intensity, but they looked much dimmer than my Hawke on it's lowest setting.
 
 He also had a Konus that had an illuminated reticle. It too didn't look nearly as bright as my Hawke. I wonder if the Hawke is brighter than most all other scopes that have an illuminated reticle. Neither one of those scopes had a dot. The crosshairs actually lit up in those scopes. Not the whole crosshair, but probably a bit bigger than the small, center crosshair on a multi-x reticle.
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Looks like I should try this with my Sightron SII 3-9 Illum...
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Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

Looks like I should try this with my Sightron SII 3-9 Illum...
 
 
 I hope to finish up the how-to pictures this weekend. This sandwich certainly works, but I haven't done any runtimes or durability tests, and that's really the only problems I can see with this thing. It doesn't void the warranty and it can't damage anything, in fact, as far as durability is concerned, I think the only thing that could happen is the resistor failing. In which case you could just put a 2032 back in or build another sandwich. I really don't think there will be a problem with the resistor failing though. If you decide to build one, and you have some questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'll help you all I can.
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Thanks.  Now I just need to find the time to put it together...
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Thanks for putting this up Big Grin
I recently got an NCstar 4x scope with a full illuminated reticle which was absolutely useless past twilight because all I could see was a sea of green or red. I found this thread and picked up $10 worth of stuff at Radio Shack and now the scope is just about perfect in low light. In case anyone's curious I used a 2016 battery, one 1k resistor (the cylindrical ones, not the surface mount) and made a home for it between two sheets of the kind of clear plastic everything is packed in nowadays. Found some very thin spongy foam and cut a little hole in it big enough to seat the resistor and used the legs of the resistor itself for the contacts. It looks a little shabby but works great. Literally took 10 minutes. When have time I'll make something more permanent.
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Originally posted by PONIESWHEE PONIESWHEE wrote:

Thanks for putting this up Big Grin
I recently got an NCstar 4x scope with a full illuminated reticle which was absolutely useless past twilight because all I could see was a sea of green or red. I found this thread and picked up $10 worth of stuff at Radio Shack and now the scope is just about perfect in low light. In case anyone's curious I used a 2016 battery, one 1k resistor (the cylindrical ones, not the surface mount) and made a home for it between two sheets of the kind of clear plastic everything is packed in nowadays. Found some very thin spongy foam and cut a little hole in it big enough to seat the resistor and used the legs of the resistor itself for the contacts. It looks a little shabby but works great. Literally took 10 minutes. When have time I'll make something more permanent.
 
 
 I'm glad to see this info helped you. Feel free to post pictures if you'd like.
 
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Feels good to share doesn"t it!
 
 
 It sure does Bud. It's good to hear from you, I haven't been on here in a while. I've been in the woods a lot, but that's not a very good exuseCool. I need to finish up the how-to post above when I get some spare time.
 
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Here are some pics. Be forewarned.. I told you it was kind of a hack job Big Grin

We recently got a whole lot of new equipment at work so I pilfered a lot of the packing foam. Here is what I used to seat the resistor. It's almost 1/4" thick but it compresses down to nothing.

Foam

Here is the resistor I used, came from Radio Shack in an assorted 500 pack of 1/8 watt carbon film resistors for $10. They sold them in 5 packs or something as well but I couldn't find the one I wanted so I figured having a few extra wouldn't hurt in the long run.

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Here's the sandwich. I just cut circles in the same plastic the 2016 battery came in and stuck the legs of the resistor through. There's a little pocket in the foam in the middle where the resistor sits. It's a hack job but it seems to work well.



Apparently it's really hard to take a photo through a scope. Especially in a dark room...  This is the reticle with the sandwich in. The photo is a little fuzzy but looking through the scope, it looks sharp and you can clearly see the mil dots. Without the sandwich this was a wash of green and I couldn't see much else through the scope in very low light. Now the reticle color is very faint in bright light, but I can't really foresee a need to use the illumination during a bright day anyway.

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Here's what happened to the rest of the foam I grabbed from work. Yes, that's a guitar case, because you never know when you might find yourself in a Mariachi bar and need to save Salma Hayek from drug lords Bandito

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That's a GSG-5 and the scope is an NCstar Mark III Tactical 4x32 with a mil dot reticle.
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