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Blackbird
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Posted: March/04/2011 at 15:44 |
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I am considering purchasing a Sightron S III 20x-42mm (straight power) for ground-hog hunting here in Pa. I am concerned that the modified mil-dot reticles dots might be too large and cover up the aiming point on the earth-pig at long ranges. (over 800 yards) Does anyone that owns this scope or reticle type, have something to comment about my concern ?
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Have not used this scope, but per Sightron's technical data, the thin lines of the reticle are .14 inches wide at the center. .14 x 8 (for 800 yds) would be 1.12" of coverage.
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If you insist on having a lot of magnification, I would strongly recommend going with a scope that has a larger objective lens. For example, within the Sightron S3 line-up, at 20x, the image quality of 6-24x50 or 8-32x56 is head and shoulders above the 20x42.
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Blackbird
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Thanks for the comments guys. Since this scope will be on a dedicated ground-hog rifle, I like the simplicity of the straight 20x. I didn't know that the smaller Obj lens would have an effect on image quality. I do realize that my exit pupil, and amount of usable light is not that great. I will contact Bill Ackerman, Cecil Tucker, and Wally Seibert to see if either of these 3 gentleman change reticles on the straight power S III's. The tacticle "modified mill-dot" is my main concern. |
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Blackbird
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Well, after talking to Sightron and Bill Ackerman, the reticles can't be changed on the SIII's. So, any suggestions for a FIXED power (20-24), 30mm tube with at least 75 MOA elevation travel, and an ultra-fine crosshair, or .125 target dot reticle ? I have a line on a Mark IV Leupy 16x that was boosted by Premier Reticles to 24x, but I'm leary since Premier & Leupold won't do any warranty work any longer.
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koshkin
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I am still not sure why you want a fixed power scope (or insist on a 30mm tube for that matter), but to each his own, I suppose.
I am not aware of any scope that fits your requirements exactly. The closest are probably two scopes with 1" tubes: Sightron S2 Big Sky 24x44 with target dot reticle (60MOA adjustment range) and Leupold FX-3 Silhouette 25x40 (40MO adjustment range). Still, if I were you I would go get Sightron S3 6-24x50 or 8-32x56 with target dot reticle. If you really want a fixed power scope, you can always put some duct tape over the magnification dial. If you really need the smallest possible dot size, I think Sightron S3 10-50x60 has the tiniest one I have seen at 0.1MOA or thereabouts. ILya |
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Blackbird
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I was hoping for an excellent, high quality straight power scope, in the 20-24x range, since changing power is not needed for my application."Fixed" power is for simplicity. (less things to go wrong), and I assumed that money would be saved staying with a fixed. Also the scope will be used for long range ground-hog shooting (800-1200 yards), and load developement only. The 30mm tube diameter is for more MOA mainly in elevation.
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Blackbird
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Oh, by the way, after talking with the Sightron tech support, the 60 MOA as you mention (SII Big Sky) is TOTAL for both elevation and windage. So it would be 30 MOA in elev, and 30 MOA in wind. This is not nearly enough for my application.
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koshkin
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Who did you talk to in tech support? That is a misunderstanding of some sort. When they say total it means 60MOA elevation (30 up and 30 down) from the center and 60 windage (30 left and 30 right). ILya
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You reasoning is perfectly correct in theory. However, in practice, there is so little demand for high magnification fixed power scopes that you often pay premium for them. Besides, variable scopes from quality makers got so good that in most cases there is no downside to going with one of them. ILya
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koshkin
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As I said, there was a miscommunication somewhere, since that is simply not correct (not your fault; these things happen). ILya
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Blackbird, ILya is the TOP of the TOPS in optics and all things optical. You ask a question and got a truthful answer. In all honesty when the company workers have a question about there scopes they call ILya, yes he is that good and knowledgeable about them. Oh and he test just about ALL scopes before they hit the open market. |
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Blackbird: I run a 20X SS on my .22-250 groundhog rifle. No problems with the dots covering up. Frankly have never missed variable power and it will focus down close very well.
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Blackbird
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Thanks for the reply, but I'm not worrying about focusing down close. We don't shoot at the ground-hogs under 500 yards. I'm concerned about the dots and center crosshairs covering up my aiming point at over 800 yards, out to 1200 yards.
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You shooting groundhogs out to 1200 yds?
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SS standards
.25 mils at 800 yards = 7.2 in dot
crosshair will be about 2 inches wide there |
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Blackbird
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Someone better get their facts straight. I don't know who, but I am holding off buying a Sightron SIII SS 8-32x 56mm until this is positively clarified. Edited by Blackbird - March/25/2011 at 15:06 |
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koshkin
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If that recollection of the conversation is accurate, Steven should be fired on grounds of incompetence. It is 70MOA of total elevation adjustment and 70MOA of total windage adjustment. ILya
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