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OK guys, I'll try to answer most of the questions that have been brought up:

I have no exact price on it.  Obviously it'll be more than the 1-4X but I think they'll keep it pretty reasonable.  It should be very competitive with the newer offerings with a high "bang for the buck" ratio as usual but we'll need to wait and see exactly where they end up.  The quality/durability of the 1-4X is well proven and the same can be expected from this.

I have no delivery date either so guessing would only get me in trouble.  I can say this is not a 1-off show model, it's basically ready for production now.

On the scopes themselves:

There is no tunneling at any power.  I have the FOV specs written down somewhere, I'll try and find them.

There is no illumination bleed.  It's even better than the 1-4X in that regard.

Thread protectors will be offered for those who want to run with the turrets uncovered.

The eye relief looks to be around 4" or maybe just a hair under and relatively constant throughout the range, only changing .1-.2" or so.  So it is definitely usable for a big bore DGR for those so inclined.  For those who like their noses literally on the charging handle, you probably want a mount with more forward extension than the "slightly forward" Bobro shown.

The friendliness or "eyebox" is similar to the 1-4X.  Better than most scopes on 1X, not quite as good on 6X.  Like the 1-4, on 6X it's mainly in regard to reticle focus--not the image of the target.  So if you move your head around looking at the reticle on 6X, you can make it go out of focus if you try but if you're looking at the target downrange as you should be it's not something I notice much.  Like I said, similar to the 1-4X in that regard so if you're happy with those you'll be happy with this.

Reticle impressions:

While I like the Circle much better, I actually find the T-reticle on this nicer than on the 1-4.  The center portion is closer to the center so it seems to be a better aiming point on 1X with illumination.  I think it looks really good for that.  On 6X it's OK, but the posts that look so good on 1X are sort of big and distracting, especially with the illumination on.  It's certainly a reticle that'll get the job done but I think the vast majority would choose the circle concept.

The circle reticle kicks ass.  Having the circle go completely out of the FOV makes a big difference.  On 6X it looks like any other mid or high power tactical scope set on 6X, with no horseshoe covering the target, no big dot covering your aiming point, no generic BDC, etc.  I think that's what a lot of people are looking for in a "dual role" scope for long range use.  It's better for low light as well with the illumination only lighting the center with no big posts or circle lit up washing out the picture.

The center has 1/2 Mil hashes, and with 6X they are actually usable.  The lines on the posts are at 5 mil intervals and could be handy if you need to point out a target to somebody.

On 1X at close range it's very good.  As you can see when lit up it looks much like the Leupold Circle-dot in size but it's thicker and easier to see when not illuminated.  Some may still prefer the smaller circle in the 1-4X for that while some may not.  While the larger circle may seem less precise for farther targets, say, in the 25-75 yd range when on 1X the posts inside the circle are very easy to see and make pinpoint aiming much easier than an empty circle.  I think it works well.

I also notice the larger circle makes the scope nicer to use on 2-5X.  Even before it disappears completely, it gives you a more open view of the target and isn't in the way.  This scope doesn't need to be used as a 1X or 6X with a switch between.  Some may find they like putting it on 3X or so and just leaving it for a particular bunch of targets.  It's very fast and friendly to use that way.

Like the reticles in the 1-4X, these are both very fast and usable on 1X in very bright to very dim light without the illumination.  The illumination helps, but the scopes are still very usable without it in most any conditions.  That's important to some people but not others.  Some of the most expensive scopes don't do this very well.  

I'll try to take a pic of the illumination in bright light if the sun ever comes out again.  It has been a pretty gloomy month or so here.  I heard the sun blew up or something….  Anyway the illumination brightness is basically the same as the 1-4--bright enough to be helpful in all but the very brightest conditions, but not quite aimpoint bright.

Hopefully that covers most of the questions.

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Thanks again Jon A for the update.Hopefully we'll get some answers after the shot show has totally wrapped up.
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hi all, anyone know why I can't see the pics using firefox? with IE, I just get the red x.

any ideas?
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Pictures?  There are no pictures.  What are you talking about?  Y'all were just dreaming.....!      Big Grin

No, all the gawkers crashed my site.  I should have them back up in a couple of hours.

On a serious note, an important issue I forgot to mention:

The circuit board and contacts underneath the battery, as well as the battery cover have been redesigned and appear to be completely shockproof.

So this scope should be completely unaffected by the flickering illumination issue that some 1-4X's suffered.
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If this comes in at or around $1k, i'll put in an order next week and get in line. Just filed taxes and should be getting a nice return next week(ish). Big Grin
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Pictures?  There are no pictures.  What are you talking about?  Y'all were just dreaming.....!      Big Grin

No, all the gawkers crashed my site.  I should have them back up in a couple of hours.

 


hahaha, good one...

but now that they're up, I'm really impressed. can't wait to see one come up in production status...
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Originally posted by ra2bach ra2bach wrote:

hi all, anyone know why I can't see the pics using firefox? with IE, I just get the red x.

any ideas?


What java version are you using?
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Thanks for sharing, Jon.
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OK this is hands down the most interesting 1-6x scope for me. I just love the T-style reticle, to me it seems more useful than the circle dot at 1x, and on 6x I think the reticle looks "finer" and more suitable for precision work. This is exactly the kind of reticle I have been wanting for ages.
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Can we get subtensions please.
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Originally posted by HisDivineShadow HisDivineShadow wrote:

OK this is hands down the most interesting 1-6x scope for me. I just love the T-style reticle, to me it seems more useful than the circle dot at 1x, and on 6x I think the reticle looks "finer" and more suitable for precision work. This is exactly the kind of reticle I have been wanting for ages.

Oh great, apparently I can't buy an SWFA scope because I am located in Finland.
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Originally posted by HisDivineShadow HisDivineShadow wrote:


Oh great, apparently I can't buy an SWFA scope because I am located in Finland.


Unfortunately that is correct they do not export.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

no big dot covering your aiming point,



This is exactly what I think is missing in this reticle, a 1/2mil dia dot. That would make it rock for 3 gunnin, so for 0-250 yds or so just put the dot on and hit. Past that, zoom in and use the mils for drop.... This new reticle w the fat lines inside the circle looks like it draws the eye to the point of aim better than the 1-4 reticle, so i'm keeping an eye on this scope for sure, but a strong point of aim at 1x is important, IMO. Looks like this could be a viable option, but there appears to be a lot new this year to choose between...

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If you want a dot with drop reticle I think the upcoming bushnell 1-6.5x24 might be your thing.
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Anyone have a rough estimate of when this scope or the new fixed SS ones will be out?
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The only problem I have with SWFA scopes, wether it is the 1x4 or 1x6 is that the battery life kind sucks from what I've seen. I think you get only 20 hours that is not good, if they did a aimpoint deal where they use a AAA and get 1000 or 2000 hours it would be great,Kev
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My 1-4 with a lithium battery has lasted for quite a bit longer than what you mentioned, whered your #'s come from?
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A 123 or AAA would sure make the illumination last longer, but it would make for a pretty clunky scope.  I don't know of any scope that has battery life even remotely approaching that of the various Aimpoints, it's different technology.

That's the whole idea behind having a reticle that can get the job done well in most situations without illumination. 
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I forgot to add this pic here, to show the illumination in full sun. 




That grass is in direct sunlight.  Like the 1-4X, it's not quite Aimpoint-bright but it can be seen.  In any situation so bright the illumination washes out, you're left with the bold black reticle.  In conditions like the above, I wouldn't be using the illumination at all unless I was running in and out of buildings.
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Nice pic what is the scope set on is that 1x or 2x?,Kev
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Man, I have a 3gun build in the works, and this scope would be perfect. Can't wait for it to hit the market.
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Same here.  I have an LR-308 build that is about complete and looking for optics for the 0-600 yard range.
 
Been looking at a number of 1-4x scopes but old eyes could benefit from the 6x top end.
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I have a question. I know that it could be an optical illusion due to the photography, Not that Jon took a bad photo or anything, but on the 1-6 @ 6 power, is it clear and crisp to the edge, or am I seeing a little haze on the outer most edges next to the reticle base lines?
I'm looking forward to these scopes, I just put my name on the list. It will be perfect for what I intend to use it for. Thanks Jon for a great write up. I always enjoy your reviews.
 
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I don't have them anymore, but I don't remember a problem with the image at the edges.  The reticle was a bit picky about focus at the very edge depending upon eye placement, but it wasn't something that would affect use.  I think most of what you see above is just the way the picture turned out.  Getting the camera in the right spot isn't always easy, especially with scopes with small objectives.< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0">
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