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    Posted: October/20/2019 at 08:53
Id like to suggest a hunting/ updated version of the SS HD3-9.
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Locking  and/or zero stop elevation, mil bssed.
MIL based G4, like koskins vortex reticle. No bdc. Just 1-2 mils vertical and horizontal.  Nice thick German 4 bars for  low light. . 
No slick power ring,  but throw lever. 

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Sounds reasonable!
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i want them to make a 2-20 with hd glass that cost $400. £ 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Urimaginaryfrnd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2019 at 17:00
I think it would make a lot of sense to have a hunting scope with mil based Christmas tree reticle and capped adjustments. 

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Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:

Id like to suggest a hunting/ updated version of the SS HD3-9.
Capped windage
Locking  and/or zero stop elevation, mil bssed.
MIL based G4, like koskins vortex reticle. No bdc. Just 1-2 mils vertical and horizontal.  Nice thick German 4 bars for  low light. . 
No slick power ring,  but throw lever. 

Of course swfa toughness,  perfect tracking

Personally, I would really like something like that and the reticle I originally sketched that became G4 was mrad based.  I also have a small tree version of it.

It is not clear if there is enough market for it to justify developing a new scope, but I think current 3-9x42 SS with covered windage turret and a hunting oriented reticle would have a fair bit of an audience.  

Throw lever can always be added on later.  I do not mind the power ring as is, since it is fairly unobtrusive and I have not found it hard to change magnification when needed (I have two of the 3-9x42 scopes).

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The Bushnell Elite LRHS is more than capable and has several qualities the OP mentioned.    It trumps the SS 3-9 HD in glass, turrets, weight, and price.
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except its been discontinued
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And when made, it was heavier and more expensive.  I liked the illuminated version though.

The 3-9x42 SS is 8-9 ounces lighter than the 3-12 LRHS/LRTS and had about 20% more FOV at the same magnification (when above 3.5x).

LRHS has a little more mag range, whichis the trade-off.

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i have both of those. Imo you’d be hard pressed to say the glass is better in the bushnell. If it is, its not easy to notice. 
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Having used the 3-9 SS for several years, I always wanted it with low profile covered turrets and a 4A. Now that we have the 2.5-10 for hunters I am still hopeful of a 3-9 x 42. The 42mm objective just makes for better low light big game scope. 
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Having used the 3-9 SS for several years, I always wanted it with low profile covered turrets and a 4A. Now that we have the 2.5-10 for hunters I am still hopeful of a 3-9 x 42. The 42mm objective just makes for better low light big game scope. 

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Having used the 3-9 SS for several years, I always wanted it with low profile covered turrets and a 4A. Now that we have the 2.5-10 for hunters I am still hopeful of a 3-9 x 42. The 42mm objective just makes for better low light big game scope. 

I'd go for a 4A based reticle with a couple of extra hold points.  They do not get in the way, but help wit functionality.  That was sort of the original idea behind the reticle that became the G4.



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I like it ILya
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I like it ILya

I was messing with the ballistics of my 280Rem and 3mrad takes it out to 600 yards.  That is far more than needed for just about any hunting situation I may encounter.

With that in mind, I started sketching up different options.  I have a whole library of simple-ish FFP hunting reticles designed to basically look like #4 on low power, but offer just a little more capability on higher mags.

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The G4 in the wonderful 1.5-8 x 32 Vortex Razor is quite good in low light. Something similar in the SS 3-9 would be great. I have used the SS in low light for coyote and it lacks good visibility at dusk and later.
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Koshkin, I didn't know you designed the Vortex G4 reticle.  I love it on my 2-10x40 HDLH. 

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Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

Koshkin, I didn't know you designed the Vortex G4 reticle.  I love it on my 2-10x40 HDLH. 

Great job!

Designed is too big a word. I was trying to convince Vortex to use a modified #4 in a hunting scope. Apparently, they were working on the HD LH at the time, so they took my sketch, re-did the dimensions to match the BDC holds they normally use and ended up with G4 BDC.

It did not do great in the US, but apparently it is a popular reticle in Europe.

I think it would do better if the dot was illuminated, but I like it as is.  I have two 1.5-8x32 scopes with it.

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I was thinking something like this. 
If i did my math right  that would be  correct  with the fov on the ss3-9



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