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It's marked down to 35 and that seems to be pretty accurate.    Oh wait, I missed the 5X part.  That's for focusing on 20X.  On 5X I don't know but you could use it much closer than that.


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Jon, as you well know, I ammo big fan of 20x optics, the eye box usually sucks. You say eye relief at 20x is a good 4 inches, but how precise must position be for good sight picture?

I have. 300WM in the works now, if ever a gun warranted a 5-20, this would be it.
It'd be a nice fit.
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Just posted at the other place...

Lets show some support...

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Chris told me some time back that I was just going to have to be patient in waiting for the SS5-20... so my wife bought me a Hensoldt.  

Patience REALLY DOES have its rewards...

I DO have a rifle that is just waiting for the 5-20, though...  I'm patient, but it is not...


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Thanks for answering all the questions Jon, and all the great pictures. I'm wanting this scope more and more. I do hope the stops make it to the production version, but if not, it's not a deal breaker.
 
And just to throw in my .02. I think I would rather have the midot section of the reticle illuminated, rather than just a dot. At least that's the way it appears to me.
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Sorry for all the misinformation in regards to availability of the new SWFA SS-HD 5-20x50 FFP. That is my fault for not keeping all my guys up to speed. I have purposely not told them much because ETA's are never correct and there are too many variables involved. So, many of you were getting vague responses for that reason.

I can tell you that some will be shipping THIS month. I cannot tell you the price yet but can confirm that it will be over $1000. but not over $1500.
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Thanks for the pics and write up Jon.  Good job SWFA...thing looks tuff, like the 50mm and love the reticle.
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I seriously cannot wait until a price is posted! I'm in love with this scope.
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Now that we have a price range, just let me know when you are ready to charge me and mail me one.
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I MUST have one! I may even have to build a rifle to put it on. This is the scope I've been waiting for. May have to sell a kidney to build a rifle and buy the scope, but that's probably why God gave me 2.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Sorry for all the misinformation in regards to availability of the new SWFA SS-HD 5-20x50 FFP. That is my fault for not keeping all my guys up to speed. I have purposely not told them much because ETA's are never correct and there are too many variables involved. So, many of you were getting vague responses for that reason.

I can tell you that some will be shipping THIS month. I cannot tell you the price yet but can confirm that it will be over $1000. but not over $1500.
There went my last kidney!!! I have been WET over getting one for a year or so. I can't wait.
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Unfortunately, the body parts you WANT to sell, no one wants...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Unfortunately, the body parts you WANT to sell, no one wants...
 
yeah I new you shouldn't have looked that nigh in alabama. I told you it would scare you for life, I mean who would have thought stripper midgets could be so fast in a hotel halway running with a pelican 1750 rifle case and my skivies on there heads. I know the SS3-9 took all the "little people" dished out and came thru with flying colors. See I also told you the viagra was not needed and you didn't belive me and took it anyways. Good way to screw up a good cont'a b-fast there buddy... the hot box's will never be the same.
 
 
back on track, I do have a B-day comming up !!!
 
 
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Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

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Here are some thoughts on the reticle as it seems to have generated quite a few questions.  Keep in mind the below is simply my opinion, reticle preferences are highly personal.  No reticle in the world will be liked by everybody, nearly everybody has some idea of something they’d like to change on any given reticle.  

For me the primary question is will the reticle get the job done?  That can’t be answered without what job and under what conditions?  Those may be different for different users.  A scope like this should have a reticle that answers “yes” for a large range of jobs and conditions.  It should be fast to pick up on low powers, easy to use for holdoffs medium or high powers and not cover the target too much at long range.

I feel the reticle does well at covering those bases.  It’s really a pleasure to use, simple, clean and uncluttered, easy to see on all powers yet still pretty thin on high power.  The thicknesses seem to be a good compromise for low power visibility, all around usability and long range precision.  If you’ve ever used a mildot you should transition over to this easily with no training required.  Of course that can be said for quite a few reticles which is where personal preference comes in.  

I like hash reticles as much as the next guy and generally prefer them to dot reticles for most of the time.  For bench-type shooting on paper with the scope cranked all the way up they’re hard to beat.  But when I’m not doing that, I have noticed some advantages to dot type reticles over the years, at least to my eye.

Generally they’re easier to see and use on lower powers for a given line thickness.  To make lines as visible on low powers they need to be thick enough they may look excessively thick on higher powers.

My brain sort of processes the difference between a full mil and a half mil a little more automatically with dots instead of having to identify the correct hash.  If I’m doing hold offs on medium power at medium ranges and time is an issue the dots just seem a bit faster to me.

Of course the biggest disadvantage to most of them is that they cover more of the target than you’d like at long range.  Hollowing them out solves that problem.

The dot in the center allows you to still use them as a precise aiming point.  It also gives you a direct reticle measurement of 0.1 mils for ranging.  The diamonds are 0.2 mils wide, the hash marks on the ends are .2 mils apart.  So you can very easily measure anything directly to the 0.1 mil with the in-betweens being 0.05 mil.  It’s a nice, simple way to do it without making a portion of the reticle look like a pincushion.

The diamonds work just like dots, after a couple minutes you won’t even notice their shape anymore.  The biggest difference between them and dots (or circles that are hollow) is that they are easier to see on low power because they can be “taller” without taking up more space on the reticle with a larger diameter (staying 0.2 mils wide).  They also seem to help a little to my eye at least with vertical and horizontal alignment when holding both elevation and windage.

On the bottom post—I don’t miss it.  It’s very natural and fast to use, just like an upside down 4a.  Very familiar for users of the MP-8, P4, P4f, etc.  The problem with a bottom post is with 5 mils of space on three sides and 10 on the bottom, the “duplex” you get at low power has a lopsided opening.  I’d rather do without than have it lopsided.   It got added back to the MP-8 for the IOR 3-18 and I always felt it was unnecessary.  Just my opinion.

Those are my thoughts.  Of course everybody isn’t going to like it (or any other reticle), but as I said the important thing is if it will get the job done.  For pretty much any use I can think of, this one will.

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Well thought out ,precise & simple presentation....Thanks Jon Excellent
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Jon, as you well know, I ammo big fan of 20x optics, the eye box usually sucks. You say eye relief at 20x is a good 4 inches, but how precise must position be for good sight picture?

It’s pretty flexible—as good or better than any other ~20X I have on hand or can remember using.  Though I haven’t tried a Hensoldt.  Certainly not problematic in any way. 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

YOu too huh Helo!

Oh yes.  I want one as soon as possible.  I have ideas and dreams for it already.
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Thanks for the thoughts on the reticle JonA.  I too prefer the hashes and that was one thing that instantly made me like that reticle design.
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