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Originally posted by FreedomFries22 FreedomFries22 wrote:

Hello everyone, I just received my SWFA SS 3-15x42 the other day, and I was getting to know it but I removed the N2 port sticker on accident. It was the one under the Ocular adjustment focus, not the Turret. I put it back on but it is sloppy now, And well I guess i just want to know if that was a big No No, or that it's not a big deal and i don't need to replace it or anything crazy... Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.

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hi I also just got my 3-15 sofa S's scope and luv it.  I would also like some info on mil mil and the scope specifically.  From what I understand I zero the scope then take off the knows and then re install so that my zero is shown on the know adjustments?  I also plan on getting a custom know made for distance for my favorite load so I need info on how to take the current elevation know off and put a new one on.  Do I use lock tite on the 3 screws ?  I would love a pic manual for the scope if there is one available.  Thanks for the great scope and any info you can send to my email, dlongfield@gmail.com would be greatly appreciated!
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hi I also just got my 3-15 sofa S's scope and luv it.  I would also like some info on mil mil and the scope specifically.  From what I understand I zero the scope then take off the knows and then re install so that my zero is shown on the know adjustments?  I also plan on getting a custom know made for distance for my favorite load so I need info on how to take the current elevation know off and put a new one on.  Do I use lock tite on the 3 screws ?  I would love a pic manual for the scope if there is one available.  Thanks for the great scope and any info you can send to my email, dlongfield@gmail.com would be greatly appreciated!
Sure, what would you like to know about MRAD? Just some general knowledge or is there something specific that you don't quite understand?
 
The turrets are re-setable.  Once you have located what's know as a "True Zero" you will take the supplied allen wrench, loosen the three set screws around the turret.
Lift the turret cap off the scope, rotate it to where the " 0 " is looking at you. Depress it back into the turret housing and tighten the set screws back down.
 
Currently custom Turrets are not available for the 3-15. But when they are, you will buy them from SWFA and send them to a company called Kenton Industries. They have several configurations available that you can have your custom turrets made.
 
NO! Never use lock tight. I suggest investing in a torque wrench and torqueing everything down to manufacturer specifications.
 
Unfortunately a manual is not available for the 3-15 yet. I have had a lot of irons in the fire and have not had the opportunity to start on that one. But I will be more than happy to assist you with any questions that you have.
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Thank you very much Skylark that is all I needed on scope info, I had just seen earlier in the thread where you sent the op some pdfs, I guess those were diagrams on the reticle and the like. I would be interested in them as well. Thanks for the timely response
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I emailed him this:
 
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NO! Never use lock tight. I suggest investing in a torque wrench and torqueing everything down to manufacturer specifications.

So what are the torque specs on the 3 screws?
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

NO! Never use lock tight. I suggest investing in a torque wrench and torqueing everything down to manufacturer specifications.

So what are the torque specs on the 3 screws?
 
Lynn, Thank you for bring this up.
 
The turrets screws just need to be firm.
 
I should have clarified, making sure your mounts and bases are torqued properly.
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We'll, I'm late with the info but here it is on the Geissele. SSA trigger I got a while back. At 100 yards, after a few rounds like Skyler told me, the bullet will finally hit the POA . A couple of adjustments and it got dialed in. That scope is awesome and the new Winchester ballastic tip 168 gr. .308. I put three in a row in a 5/8" group. Touching. The ammo is great. Update on hogs. Finally got one Tuesday at 100 yards. I put it behind his right shoulder as he was quartering away. He didn't even know what happened. I thought I had missed. He was in tall clover and I didn't see any twitching or kicking; thought I had missed him. Even at 100 yards or so, the round knocked him over on his side like a sledgehammer. He was dead before he hit the dirt. That's an awesome round. The trigger was so sweet and smooth. Didn't even think about it. It just hammered him. BTW, he weighed about 175-200 I think. I couldn't drag him anywhere. Had to winch him into the back of my truck with a come a long. Going again tonight. Now the real test come for the scope and I. Depending on range(240 yards) max., I'm going for a head shot; if it's a big hog.I know the scope is good. Question: should I put it on full power of 15x to do this?   
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Well I don't know how big the hogs head is but I was ring 3" a and 4" plates at 275 yards with my 243 like it was a video game haha but mine is a ss 3-9 and seeing the plates was nothing. I don't think you'll need the full 15at 240 IMHO but whatever is comfortable for you :)
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Yes you are right. I just got back and no hogs this evening, but I practiced viewing at the range and even on 3 power, I can make a shot. I'm confident now, I can make a head shot at 240 easy. It's the longest distance I can shoot at to the trees. I am looking where I can shoot at 400-800 yards on someone's property and do long range shooting. That would be so cool. I don't know what type of ammo to use on that though; got to do some research. I'm really hoping I will be able to make a long head shot soon on a hog. I'm able to use my sandbag on the shooting blind/ house (2/4 window frame); it's solid and the scope is solid with no movement except on the heartbeats. I left early; my night vision acted up and the green grass is so tall and it's hard to see them in it at night. Hope they cut it soon. There is enough ambient starlight to use when that's done.   
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Update. Went out last week and got a big boar 175-200#. 100 yards and quartering away from me and with the SWFA ss scope and the new Geissele trigger wow, it was crunch. With the 168 gr. Winchester ballistic silver tip, he was dead before he hit the ground. Man, it pulverized him. Thought I had lost him in the clover. I didn't see any movement or weeds moving. days ago, I got another one, same distance, female with ten piggies. She must have moved because the round took out her neck vertabre. I love the scope. I shot at two of the 25# piggies! and got one! but didn't realize it till yesterday when I was looking around for a spot to put the game cam. I must have hit him just as he was going in the bushes and didn't realize it. 150 yard running shot.
I need to shoot at 200,300, 400 yards to see what my drop is with the ammo.
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I can see that all I need is the 3x to use even at 250 yards on the hogs. They don't have a chance. Still waiting for the big one to come out at 250 and do a head shot on 3x and hope he doesn't move.
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Agreed... superglue is MUCH better...

A guy at the range once walked up to me and asked me to help him sight in his rifle... I picked it and started inspecting it and noticed something white all over the scope and rings.  I asked him what it was.. "some a' tha fellers tole me I needed to make sure that scope was in there tight... so I superglued'er in.  She ain't goin' anywhere".  I said "I'm sorry, I cannot help you". 

Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

NO! Never use lock tight. I suggest investing in a torque wrench and torqueing everything down to manufacturer specifications.

So what are the torque specs on the 3 screws?

 
Lynn, Thank you for bring this up.
 
The turrets screws just need to be firm.
 
I should have clarified, making sure your mounts and bases are torqued properly.
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OK I have another question. With the 3-15 scope and the swfa SS Piccanny mount on an ar-15, do you know the exact distance between the scope and the bore? When I measured it I got around 2.7 or 2.8 inches, and I notice most online ballistic programs and the back of ammo boxes typically use 1.5 inches which is probably more correct for bolt actions. So using the swfa S's mount and the 3-15 scope what is the distance above the bore on an ar-15? Thank you guys for all your help!
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Go with the measurement you took -- you should be close enough that it wont make nearly as much difference as wind drift and wind gusts. You can run the balistic program with different numbers then compare what you get.  On the humorous side of this the difference between where the barrel is and how high the sight is above it with an AR can be important in the real world.  Many years ago I laid an extra mag on the hood of the truck shooting at various targets in a field using the truck hood for a rest. Sight plane was clear to the target upon firing sparks went everywhere, I looked down and sure enought that extra mag had been in front of the barrel when I had shifted from one target to another. Some lessons are learned the hard way -- where the sight is and where the bore is are two different things. I can remember as a kid trying to sight in my first scope by turning the knobs on the scope - worked better a few years later when I realized the scope caps had to be unscrewed and take off to make the adjustment; that just turning the scope caps didnt change anything. Yep thats what I learned in the 60's

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Hey Skyler, I wanted your opinion on what happened the other night hog hunting. Full moon out, had my red hog light on and some hogs out in the field about 130-140 yards. Put my 3x15 SWFA SS on 10 power dead on the chest/ left shoulder area of a nice size hog and squeezed off the 168 gr. ballastic tip Winchester 308 thinking I had a dead hog on ground. Wrong. Up in the shooting house, my AR rests on a solid sandbag on the window sill of a 2/4 and I am rock steady in the chair. I definitely remember that hog feeding head down not moving when the gun went off. With that great scope I had a lot of body in the reticle and btw, I am using my new Geiselle SSA trigger. Nothing moved. Looked all over for that hog; nothing. There's no way I missed. (Possible) maybe the round went through flesh in that area of chest and he went a long ways in the trees around the field. I went back next day and looked again and it had rained, so I couldn't track for blood. Could it have been the ammo? Suggestions anyone? I know you can't get everything all the time, but I knew everything was solid; don't understand it. Going to try again tomorrow night(Monday). I did check my POI and it's still on. Maybe I had a flier.
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Originally posted by Ds1962 Ds1962 wrote:

Hey Skyler, I wanted your opinion on what happened the other night hog hunting. Full moon out, had my red hog light on and some hogs out in the field about 130-140 yards. Put my 3x15 SWFA SS on 10 power dead on the chest/ left shoulder area of a nice size hog and squeezed off the 168 gr. ballastic tip Winchester 308 thinking I had a dead hog on ground. Wrong. Up in the shooting house, my AR rests on a solid sandbag on the window sill of a 2/4 and I am rock steady in the chair. I definitely remember that hog feeding head down not moving when the gun went off. With that great scope I had a lot of body in the reticle and btw, I am using my new Geiselle SSA trigger. Nothing moved. Looked all over for that hog; nothing. There's no way I missed. (Possible) maybe the round went through flesh in that area of chest and he went a long ways in the trees around the field. I went back next day and looked again and it had rained, so I couldn't track for blood. Could it have been the ammo? Suggestions anyone? I know you can't get everything all the time, but I knew everything was solid; don't understand it. Going to try again tomorrow night(Monday). I did check my POI and it's still on. Maybe I had a flier.
 
There is a possibility it was the ammo. There is also the possibility that your adjustments could have been off.
 
I bring that up, because it happened to me last year while deer hunting.  Before I went, I went to the farm to double check my zero. Everything was perfect. When I got back to the house, I put my rifle in my office, dropped the box mag, disassembled the bolt and got my cleaning kit out.  I noticed before I started, that I was out of oil.  With everything cinched down, I went to my shop to get some more Hoppe's and Oil.
 
I came back in, cleaned the rifle and put it in my case, loaded up my truck and went to bed. Woke up the next morning, went to work, shortly after work, headed to the lease in Mid-West Texas. The first night, I didn't see anything. The next morning. I had three bucks exactly 100 yards in front of me and two does about 130ish yards out. I chose the one that appears to be the most mature and squeeze the trigger. At this time it's 20 degrees out and I was not able to follow my boat trail, couldn't locate it. I am watching this buck walk away. I swore I hit him. He then provides me with four other opportunities to harvest him, all of which failed.
 
Now, slightly irritated, I am trying to determine what happened!
 
My little brother Jake was also baffled. He said, I have hunted with you for years and shot next to you all my life and I have never ever seen you miss anything like that before.
 
We go back up to deer camp and I inspect everything. He suggests see where we are on paper. I set a target up, then engage one shot. Sure thing...I was just a handful of MRADs off. That completely let all the wind out of my sails because it was the last weekend of deer season in Texas and I had yet to harvest anything for the year.
 
My wife called me later that night as I was preparing to lay down and I told her about what had happened. She then informed my after I went outside, little fingers were the culprit. She was checking her email and my son was with her. And when she turned to tell him, do not touch anything the damage was already done.
 
Needless to say, I carry a card now with me and I know where everything is, but that is one thought.
 
Another thing is, you may have had a flier round. Honestly, there are several things that could have happened, but without being there to see, it is very difficult to figure out what would have been the culprit.
 
Have you tried hand loaded ammo or something like Barnes or Hornady? They are very consistent with their ammo.
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Originally posted by banditbump banditbump wrote:

OK I have another question. With the 3-15 scope and the swfa SS Piccanny mount on an ar-15, do you know the exact distance between the scope and the bore? When I measured it I got around 2.7 or 2.8 inches, and I notice most online ballistic programs and the back of ammo boxes typically use 1.5 inches which is probably more correct for bolt actions. So using the swfa S's mount and the 3-15 scope what is the distance above the bore on an ar-15? Thank you guys for all your help!

It won't make a huge difference, but a good way to measure sight height with dial calipers:

1) Measure the scope's objective bell housing. Divide this number by two.

2) Underneath the bell, measure the outside barrel diameter. Divide by two.

3) Measure the gap between the bottom of the bell housing and the top of the barrel.

4) Add these three numbers together to get the height.

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I have tried the Barnes and hornady and they don't do well. The 168 gr. Winchester does great. I'll let you know what happens when I get my next hog.
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