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pyro6999
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Posted: January/23/2007 at 14:47 |
anyone use these chris told me they work great!! let me know what your experiences are with the a frame!
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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tahqua
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When I first took the super premium bullet plunge it was between the Swift and the Trophy Bonded. It was a toss up I figured. Now I know I was completely wrong and therefore, Chris is wrong, too.
Here's look'n at ya RMS..............I will try them Edited by tahqua |
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pyro6999
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chris told me that craig boddington was the one who suggested it to him, and he said his guides on african hunts were cussing chris for not having a tougher bullet in a bigger caliber then chris dropped 3-4 animals in there tracks and the guide changed his tune quickly.
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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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tahqua
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Swift A Frame takes the Partition to the next level, split and bonded jacket/core. An extremely tough and deep penetrating bullet. If Col. Boddington says it's good I think you can take that to the bank. Chris has been around a lot more than me, for sure, and I think you can take that to the bank, too.
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pyro6999
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i dont think i need something like that for whitetail i would think that since my good old sierra has brought down many elk and deer thats all i need, the reason i ask is i am planning on going after black bear, and the ones here are around 200 pounds a few get to 300 i think 400 and some change is the biggest ive heard of in this state, but i was wondering if i need a bullet like the a frame for my 6.5 rem mag to take a bear down, i know my old man used 180gr round nose for bear out of his 30-06 so do i need the a frame to make up for weight or will the speed and a sierra 140 be enough?
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tahqua
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That's an interesting question, pyro, as I have been loading and are a fan of Sierra bullets for 25 years. I think for bear a good stout bullet is in order for the smaller calibers like 6.5mm. No doubt the 140 gr. in 6.5 has good SD. I have shot many deer with the 160 gr SBT Sierra in 7mm. I have never lost a deer to these bullets but I have had them blow up on shoulders at close range. They are just so darn accurate that I keep using them. With a bear you have a much heavier shoulder and a flat base Sierra might work better. They only come in 120 and 160 gr., though. I would give the nod to the heavier one IMHO.
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pyro6999
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actually now they make a 140 grain bullet in the game king line 140spbt
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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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tahqua
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Sorry, I should have pointed out the flat base is the Pro Hunter. That 140 gr SBT GameKing should be a very good bullet in the 6.5. That's the bullet I'm going to load first for my .260 Rem. From .223 to .308 diameter, the best hunting bullet accuracy I've ever loaded has been from GameKing hunting bullets. It's just me, but I always go heavy for caliber when given the choice. Others here have told me of good results with 120 gr. 6.5mm bullets on deer sized game. If you decide to go light, go premium. Penetration really counts on bear. |
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pyro6999
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kinda what i figured, i have had some people try to tell me that the rem factory ammo for the 6.5 mag is too hot for the 120 bullet they load up and when they hit a deer they tend to tumble instead of spin, and create a huge exit wound.
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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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tahqua
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Pyro, I'm brain dead, 6.5 RM, oh yeah. I would go for the heavier bullets like the 160gr Pro Hunter, minimum. Or look at other premium bullets from 140gr. on up. Core jacket separation with boat tail bullets is a fact in my experience. Like I said, all my deer were still dead, but the bullets did break up. A bear is a lot tougher animal if you take a shoulder shot. Something to think about with a 6.5, especially that really cool mag, IMO. You know, all this talk about WSM's and now 6.5 RM is very bad for my marriage. You guys post pics, and I'll dream for now. |
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pyro6999
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so i should think about using an a frame or a here i go rootmanslim a barnes tsx the gun i posted and chris did too are the 6.5's i bought a couple weeks ago chris will get his tomorrow u.p.s!! |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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tahqua
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Yep, Trophy Bonded, A Frame, and TSX. Grand Slam is good as is Nosler Partition. There are so many good choices these days, it hurts, the wallet any way.
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pyro6999
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i know the sierra's are less than $20 per box the ones you named are twice that for 50 in some cases.
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tahqua
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Yes they are. I went with Trophy Bonded and worked up an accurate load for it. Then I stayed with it. But I always have an extra box of Sierras with me. Take your pick with a premium and I think you will be fine. Good luck on that bear hunt and give us a field report on that 6.5, would you?
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pyro6999
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absolutly if chris doesnt beat me to it!!
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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lucznik
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In the 6.5 caliber I have always had really good success with the 140 gr. Nosler Partition. My family has used this bullet in our .264 Win Mags on just about everything from small antelope to a couple of large Alaskan Grizzlies.
The new 130 gr. Nosler Accubond is a very intruiging round. My dad is out trying to kill a cow elk with one right now - they weren't available in time for the regular bull season.
I've killed a few elk with the 140 gr. Hornady SST and it seems to have worked fairly well. It is however, not a bonded bullet so; you may not want it for bear.
We tried Barnes bullets once before and always had a very difficult time with them fouling the barrels really badly - and quickly. This was before the TSXs came out so, I haven't tried that specific bullet. I do have a box of them to try in my 7-08 but, I am a little hesitant. Hopefully they have reformulated their alloy a tiny bit so as to address this problem.
Pretty much I agree with what the others have posted. Choose a premium bullet that shoots well from your rifle and then get hunting. |
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pyro6999
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thanks for the input lucznik, now i just have to decide which one to try first.
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They call me "Boots"
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Wally
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lucznik,
I had the same issues with barrel fouling using the old X bullets. I also found them finicky to load, but when I could get a rifle to shoot them, I always got excellent terminal performance.
The TSX's pretty much cured the fouling and accuracy issues. I load mine just like other bullets, and the results have been very satisfying. In fact, I now have two rifles that shoot a ballistic tip and a TSX to the same point of aim. In both rifles the TSX is every bit as accurate as the ballistic tips, and in one rifle the TSX appears to be slightly better. I shot a cow elk last year with my 6.5x55 using the 130 gr. TSX. I was very pleased with the results. Unfortunately my hunting was cut short this year, and I didn't get to do any more field testing. DRAT!
Steve Edited by Wally |
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rootmanslim
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I'm the lover of TSXs, that said the A Frame is an excellent bullet. I use 400 gr ones, 400 gr Woodleighs and a treasured hoard of 400gr old Xs in my 400 H&H. Any will go thru anything afoot in North America. The A Frames are almost cloverleaf accurate with 3 shots. The Woodleighs about an inch and the Xs about 1.75-2.5 inches as they are Soooo long that the twist is wrong. Pic of rifle below. Woodleigh top, Swift middle, NEI 395 cast bottom.
I have used the TSX 6.5s in a 6.5x55 and shot end to end on two large buck Antelope breaking shoulders & hips. I'm sure a bear would also die right now. |
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pyro6999
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ok so i have got votes for the tsx and nosler partition and speer trophy bonded and chris's fav the A frame. anybody got any other bullets i should try
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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