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Illegal immigration will always be a problem that will (IMO) NEVER be fixed.  The system is working as designed by our Federal Govt.
 
Why? The federal govt clearly does not want to fix it or as Cheap has stated, they would force states to enforce the laws and policys we have.  Illegals would not be able to get license, social services etc... extended to them  PERIOD.  They take from our societys support system and benefits without putting anything into it.  They pay no taxes. 
 
All the other issues are just symptoms and side issues all attributed to being here illegally.  Exploitation etc... all to be expected.  Some work very hard, some work for fair pay etc.. They take jobs that most do not want and some get exploited.  I personally would not want to pick tomatos in southern Florida for 10-14 hours a day.  I have seen those people in action when I lived down there.  Its back breaking HOT low low low pay work.  They load up in busses in the morning and come back at night.  Their hands are torn up.  But day in and day out they do it.  TRY getting some good ole white bread kids out there for that.  Good luck!  EVERY single person on welfare should be made to do these jobs and many others.  Try (as Cheap) stated, laying concrete for a living or roofing in the heat.  These are back breaking jobs. 
 
Interesting fact is that as long as the crime is in check and the economy is humming along, immigration is just a nuisance.  BUT economy tanks and now it's at the forefront of the news.
 
Don't get me wrong I'm all for enforcing immigration laws.  Enforcing what we have in place would be a huge step in the right direction. 
 
When you compare illegal immigration to what slavery was about it's a big step up.  If you want to have a really good conversation about Illegal immigration just ask an American Indian.  As far as they are concerned, WE ARE all illegal aliens! 
 
 
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Scooter be afraid aliens are from outter space the same place as the politically crowd come from,they will come down here and try to take our constution away American Flag
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Scooter, good read.
I would say that some do pay taxes, as I stated before, but most don't and take a hell of a lot more out than they put in.
I believe there's also a tax law that allows illegals to pay taxes as well.

I'm NOT an apologist for Mexicans, but if we rounded up ALL of the illegals and shipped them out of this country, the construction industry, that's hanging by a thread here in Charlotte, would crash.
Probably beyond recovery, due to the fact that the local legals simply won't do the jobs that the illegals would leave.
I'm OK with that too.

I know some of the things I've said here are tough to swallow, but I see it day in and day out.
The US has become a nation of lazy, worthless, moochers, that simply won't work, unless forced.
The young men needed to work in heat, mud, rain, cold, dust, etc are just not around anymore.

I honestly think if welfare bennies were cut, these people would steal and rob before going to work with us out here.
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I have a question mark, 
Say we did round up every illegal in the country and send them away, all of them not just one group. 
Do you think that if the citizens that are to lazy to do something now will see more jobs open and go after them even if it cost the employer more to pay them.  Lets say its gonna cost that employer more to do the job because of the labor cost increase.  It will cost everyone bidding on that jobs price to come up. it will make more money flow through american hands and the economy will start to rise? 
yeah it would take time but i think it would work.  I know some say no there are still those that would do nothing. But if the ESC saw all these open jobs they would start cutting off benefits and start follow up on recepients to make sure they still are doing the required 2 job interviews a week it would work, IMO
 
I know this is your lively hood and you have a lot of better knowledge on this subject so I am really taking in what you say.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Scooter, good read.
I would say that some do pay taxes, as I stated before, but most don't and take a hell of a lot more out than they put in.
I believe there's also a tax law that allows illegals to pay taxes as well.

I'm NOT an apologist for Mexicans, but if we rounded up ALL of the illegals and shipped them out of this country, the construction industry, that's hanging by a thread here in Charlotte, would crash.
Probably beyond recovery, due to the fact that the local legals simply won't do the jobs that the illegals would leave.
I'm OK with that too.

I know some of the things I've said here are tough to swallow, but I see it day in and day out.
The US has become a nation of lazy, worthless, moochers, that simply won't work, unless forced.
The young men needed to work in heat, mud, rain, cold, dust, etc are just not around anymore.

I honestly think if welfare bennies were cut, these people would steal and rob before going to work with us out here.
 
 
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Graham, as I've said, I don't think that illegal pay is low, by industry standards.
IMO, folks here in my field just need people to show up and work.
I've never had a man working for me that didn't make $8 an hour.
Most of my guys were working for an average of $12 an hour.
I started in this industry for about $7 an hour, 20 plus years ago.
I was a "lead" concrete finisher making $11 an hour in the 90's.

Fast forward to today....
I see youths working at McDonalds. How much are they making?

How much is enough? You start low and as you get more proficient, you get more money, in my industry.
Problem is, these punks want to make $20 an hour right out of the gate and that just isn't going to happen whether your legit or not.

Don't believe that the illegals are getting paid a few bucks an hour, Graham.
Business owners are willing to pay them the same pay they would pay an Anglo, because they must have workers.
And gladly. Rush Limbaugh would have you believe otherwise, but I KNOW that which I've posted here.
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All construction people here are making substantially more than minimum wage, but the pussies at Wendy's aren't going to leave the drive thru to work with me, even though they could make more $$$$.

As an aside, why are there so many adults working at fastfood joints these days?
Thought that was for HS kids and retired folks.
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Gotcha.

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Sorry to jump in here late but I gotta say, immigration is a mess.  I think the states should back Arizona and start fixing the mess. 
1.  We have approx 14 million people in this country, that we can't identify.  That, to me, is scary.  14 million people taking jobs from legal Americans. 
2.  14 million people getting benefits that hard working, tax paying, follow the rules Americans can't get. 
3.  14 cities the size of Dallas, Tx. that are completely illegal immigrants.  Using gas, causing property damage, crime, filling up our hospitals, our schools, prisons, jails etc...
4.  14 million people who believe they have a voice in this country and the right to use it.

Note: I know that all illegals are not bad people but, many are.
 
We put an illegal in jail, a couple of nights ago, who could barely speak any English and was not working.  He had come over to help build Jerry's World (Cowboy Stadium) and now that work was over, he was looking for something else.  Anyway, when we went to book him in, he had a card (I won't give any names here) that entitled him to $500.00 dollars a month for groceries.  Paid for by you and I.  He does not have to pay the money back and keeps getting it as long as he is here.  I am not a socialist saying that everyone should be getting this handout, or any others, but I am saying that we should not be giving it (our money) to someone who is not even legally here and is being put into jail. 

Lastly, I don't think the Mexican flag should be flown in America, I just don't understand how we can allow this.  It's like we are being taken over and we can't even see it.  Explorers used to plant their flag on land they found and claimed it for their country.  I don't like this.

Anyway, thanks for letting me in and I will set back and wait for the whoopin' I am gonna get. Wink

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Good copy, Trays.

I agree with you almost entirely. I don't believe that the 14 million have "taken jobs away from legals" though.
I think the lower paying jobs that should have been filled by legal youths between the ages of 18 and 25 have been taken by illegals by default.

That was what I was reffering to earlier. The young "men" in this country, for the most part, are not jumping into construction and the like, to learn a trade.
They would rather go to college or smoke pot and work flipping burgers somewhere and most haven't seen a real day of work in their lives, generally speaking.
These guys are living with Momma and are working at video stores, or convience stores with no real work skills and very little ambition.
The tradesmen now are the Latinos who scooped jobs that were forfited by American youth.

Now, another trend these days are Hispanics that start up their own construction bizz and aren't paying the full bill for workmans comp, insurance, nor taxes.
These guys are able to cut their prices down past whata legit American company can and are taking jobs away and tanking the market price for the rest of us.
Any Mexican will tell you that they would much rather work for a Gringo, than work for another Mexican.

Any hard working American reading this..God bless you.
My rants aren't aimed at you!

Agree 100% about them demanding rights they don't have and we can thank Govco for that.
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Mark I think you have the most experienced based and quite probably the most objective viewpoint I have heard on this subject....ever!  I also have to agree with Scooter about most of America's youth being too lazy and pampered to take the hard labor jobs!  I really think we need to seriously curtail our own support system and make those that do benefit from it payback in whatever way they are capable!  If its only to lick stamps so be it!  ONLY those that contribute to that system should be able to benefit from that system!
 
I also agree with mark that if we kicked all illegals out and cut off all the free assistance programs and unemployment  We would have a collapse of the labor industry and yes a huge jump in crime as the lazies turn to crime as the easier way to put food on the table and or maintain a decadent lifestyle!
 
I also feel the clean up needs to start with our federal government!  Who's vast majority of jobs where created simply to help reduce unemploment numbers.  Jobs that have somehow become much better jobs that comparable private sector jobs.  Better pay, benefits and job security.  All on the taxes payers backs and beyond there control.
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Well said, Bud.

All I'm trying to do is provide a slant from my experience and these things I've posted are things I see everyday.
In fairness, myself and others have probably contributed to the problem indirectly, as Shooter pointed out early on.
But, this hellified mess was caused directly by Govco and their idiotic policies concerning immigration and passing out hand outs to otherwise able bodied American workers.
Its almost as if the powers in Washington had an agenda when they came up with these policies and programs....

I'm on a jobsite in Kannapolis, NC right this second and did a half ass head count of the workers on site.
I'm going to say the Latinos out number Anglos and Blacks 30-1, out of roughly 400 people.
I'd further wager that over 90% of the Hispanics, conservatively are "undoc'd".
I admit that I have no way of confirming who's legit and who's not, but I'd bet Black Betty that I'm within 5% either way from being dead on.

Hey!!! How bout I yell "La migra" and count how many run into the tree line?
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Just to keep it "scientific".....
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Well said, Bud.

All I'm trying to do is provide a slant from my experience and these things I've posted are things I see everyday.
In fairness, myself and others have probably contributed to the problem indirectly, as Shooter pointed out early on.
But, this hellified mess was caused directly by Govco and their idiotic policies concerning immigration and passing out hand outs to otherwise able bodied American workers.
Its almost as if the powers in Washington had an agenda when they came up with these policies and programs....

I'm on a jobsite in Kannapolis, NC right this second and did a half ass head count of the workers on site.
I'm going to say the Latinos out number Anglos and Blacks 30-1, out of roughly 400 people.
I'd further wager that over 90% of the Hispanics, conservatively are "undoc'd".
I admit that I have no way of confirming who's legit and who's not, but I'd bet Black Betty that I'm within 5% either way from being dead on.

Hey!!! How bout I yell "La migra" and count how many run into the tree line?
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Just to keep it "scientific".....
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last week a co-worker got broad sided by an illegal pizza delivery guy with zero insurance.. the cop took him in , but now my bud is out the damage to his new truck, and has a broken arm that he has to take care of .. That is what makes me crazy ...Do you also go after the business owner too -- Well , he is ,and I think should  . I imagine there will be an out of court settlement. My great grandparents came here in the late 20's from Europe to escape the issues there. They signed on the dotted line and worked hard to get a leg up .. I have ZERO problem with those that enter the good ole' USA in that fashion.. Those that don't , well, that's why Arizona has done what it has done...
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Been there. Was hit broadside by a car full of them. Expired license, and no insurance. They were speeding, (70+) in a 35 with a sight distance problem. I got the ticket, but won in court based on skid marks, and damage, their speed was determined the largest contributing factor. That and the fact that the driver did not show up for court. It happens all the time, and is a factor for our insurance rates being higher, where there is a larger than average illegal resident population.
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I not only live in AZ but I am also in the "trades". For the most part, I agree with with Mark. Over my career, I have seen a decrease in young, white people coming into the trades. But in my opinion, wages have not kept pace with the cost of living in my AO, due to the increase of illegals. I have seen rent and property values go up triple since the early '90's but wages have stayed the same.  It flat sucks when you apply for job, and the first question they ask is "do you speak Spanish?"
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

But in my opinion, wages have not kept pace with the cost of living in my AO, due to the increase of illegals.
 
 
Are there a lot of Mexican ironworkers, in your AO? Theres a few here, but most ironworker crews are Anglos still.  
Kind of like pipe fitters and trim carpenters. These trades are typically non Hispanic HERE.    
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Not specifically in the Iron trade, but iron is not all I do. I also do steel studs, and the increase in that field has been dramatic. Iron is getting more Latinos, but not many(IMHO they don't like the heights). It is definitely a conundrum. I to have been frustrated with white people that come to work expecting to build nothing more than a paycheck. And I not necessarily convinced that shipping them all out  is going to cure anything(to expensive), but if something is not done to curb the flow, it is going to get ugly. I am also not convinced that it is up to the government( state or fed) or the employers. We as a country do have an ability, no matter what the media tells us.  



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