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RifleDude
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Me too. And, I do prefer a clamp-on gas block to a setscrew or pinned one. One other option you can do if your gas block has a flat top (mine has integral rails on top and bottom) is to level the rifle in a cradle on the receiver rail, then once the rifle is level, put the level on the top of the gas block flat, level, and tighten. |
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Ted
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supertool73
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I had a barrel once where the gas port and the barrel extension were not square with each other. So my gas block was slightly turned. Still worked fine, but it would not have worked very well if my gas block would have been a front sight.
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Sgt. D
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If your dealing with flat top upper and your gas block has a short rail or flat top you can lay them upside down on two blocks and tighten the screws while holdin some down pressure. |
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RifleDude
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Another good tip. Thanks, Mark!
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Ted
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mil169
Optics Journeyman Joined: February/28/2012 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 378 |
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The flat top gas block would definitely make it easier. I tend to like the low profile versions like YHM clamp on and set screw style. I just didn't know how much tolerance there was to line up the gas block to the port. Is there a general size the gas port on the blocks are machined to?
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Sgt. D
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Most of the blocks I've seen are ported oversize to allow some play. The barrel port is really what determines the amount of pressure you get to the bolt. I have not heard of any benefit in having a exact matching block to barrel port. But to answer your question I believe there is a standard block port size. Maybe one of the other guys will know what it is.
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Take care of Soldiers, Show em how its done and do it with em, Run to the Fight & and hold your ground! I die my men go home! If you're a NCO and this ain't you. GET OUT! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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RifleDude
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My double rail (top and bottom) gas block is fairly low profile, is made by YHM, and is a clamp-on style. I had no trouble lining up the ports, and never had the first problem. |
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Ted
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Peddler
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Ted, we wouldn't expect operator error would be in your wheelhouse.
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cpwomack
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On my first build I spent a lot of time measuring where the port hole was on the gas block just to make sure I was lined up. After that I bought a jig from BCM that has a set screw that goes into the gas port and allows you to dimple your barrel. Works with Vltor gas blocks and others, but have used this on at least ten builds and it works well.
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koshkin
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I use low profile clamp on gas blocks almost exclusively and there is no magic to aligning them to the gas port on the barrel.
Since the hole on the gas block is oversized, you can just eyeball it. I have OCD, so I mount the upper vertically with the barrel pointed down and use a plumbline to align the gas block. Except for my Grendel barrel which has an incorrectly drilled gas port. That one I had to do some measurements on. Drives me nuts just knowing that it is off center. Works great though with zero reliability issues. ILya
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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White Oak Armory makes a very high quality upper match that with a Rock River lower change to a Geissele trigger your good to go cheap as it gets.
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mil169
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Here's what I propose to use on my "SPR" build:
Seekins billet SP223 upper (irmt-r) and lower Seekins MCSR rail Seekins mag release button Rainier 18" mid length SPR profile barrel YHM clamp on gas block WOA gas tube ALG Combat trigger- tuned by Giessele A2 buffer tube with Magpul MOE fixed stock KNS turned pins and detents BCM bcg Any suggestions?
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supertool73
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That should make a very nice rifle. Maybe try and adams arms piston kit. I sure like the one i got
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ccoker
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I will pipe in..
Nice ARs are well, just nicer.. done :)
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Rancid Coolaid
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I've seen more than a few issues with after-market piston kits. I haven't messed with them in awhile, but know Adams stuff had issues awhile back, a few years, not sure if they squared those away or not. Piston systems have their advantages (much cleaner running, much cooler running) and disadvantages (bolt and/or upper/lower wear if the bolt isn't traveling correctly in the raceway, reliability issues, non-standard parts, non-standard design, problem-prone gas blocks, and general "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"-ness) and the owner has to decide if they are worth the extra effort. I have one piston gun (Sig 716 - and like it) and it took significantly more time to break in than any DI gun I have owned or run. I have run a few more, don't care much for the recoil impulse on piston guns, but that probably has much more to do with the number of rounds I have run through DI guns. Back to top tier: what they said, materials and workmanship.
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supertool73
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My biggest like of my adams arms is running it with my suppressor. With DI it gets dirty crazy fast. With my piston i habe went near 400 rounds with suppressor. I can honestly say i have not had a single issue with the adams kit. I have over 2500 rounds with it so far. Their issues were back before they supplied their own custom carrier. Since they redesigned the carrier the issues have went way down. I have zero regrets buying mine. Recoil impulse, supposed accuracy issues, carrier tilt, have not been issues in my case. Mine gun still shots .5 moa and i don't notice much of a diff in recoil. A little but not much. I check my carrier and buffer tube often and so far no unusual wear.
If u are buidling a new gun its really not a huge cost increase either. Converting a gun is another story. If i had the disposable income i would convert all my ars to the adams kit. I just really like it a d have been happy with it. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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mil 169 that sounds like a very nice build my favorite AR is my 18in barrel M4 type
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mil169
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I'm gathering parts now. I had bought a Spikes bcg, but now I want the BCM. So I'll keep the Spikes as a spare. Then it's time for the expensive stuff, billet upper/lower and handguard.
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supertool73
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Consider a chromed or nickel plated carrier as well. They are much easier to clean than the phosphate ones.
This is a nice one. http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?cPath=52_97&products_id=779 Edited by supertool73 - July/16/2014 at 11:06 |
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mil169
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Thanks for the tips.
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