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    Posted: December/14/2004 at 09:22

Hi, I would appreciate any advice on a scope for a rifle I will be getting soon.  I'm looking at the following scopes so far...

Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x50

Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x50

Nikon Monarch Gold 2.5-10x50

 

My main want is a scope that will collect as much light as possible as it gets dark.  Any info will be greatly appreciated!



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IMO, If you have the $$$ for the Zeiss, fork it over.  You will not be sorry.  However, I do not think that the 50mm obj. would have a major advantage over the 44mm.  Either way the Zeiss is a winner.

 

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I would recommend Simmons 2.8-10x 44mm AETEC Scope instead.  For it has a much wider field of view than any of these other models you mention.  I say this because a lot of deer hunting is done at close range.  Here in Western Oregon, long range shots are more the exception than the rule, for example.

 

Now if you do all of your hunting in real open land, then this would not be a reconsideration.  But otherwise, it is most helpful to have a big picture in your scope when hunting at 100 yards or less.

 

And you would be amazed at how good these AETEC scopes look.  While they cannot naturally match the quality of such expensive scopes, they sure are a huge value for the money.

 

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The Nikon has the largest exit pupil (20mm-5mm), a 30mm tube for more adjustment range, and side-focus parallax.

 

I don't think Simmons has anything on the three scopes listed.

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HAHAHAHA simmons AETEC....HAHAHAHA this guy doesnt mind spending money for some quality...one more time...HAHAHAHA...ok... i would say the 3.5-10x44 conquest, the 50mm objective doesnt let in any more light, and jsut adds bulk, and cost more money.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carolinaflats Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/14/2004 at 20:48

Thanks for all the replys. I'm leaning strongly towards the Zeiss with the 50mm objective. The rifle it will be going on is a Winchester Model 70 Coyote in .25WSSM which isn't light  to begin with so the little extra bulk won't bother me. Most of the scopes I've used in the past were 50mm and the price difference is only about 20 bucks more. I sometimes hunt in pretty heavily wooded areas so any little bit of extra light is greatly needed. 

By the way...anybody have any experience with the .25WSSM? Seems like the ballistics are pretty much the same as a .25-06 which I really like. Thanks again! 

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You're wasting money on the 50mm objective...you will see no advantage to the 44mm regardless of what you are thinking.  If that's what you have your mind set on then buy it, but you are wasting cash.
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Even if it has been discussed many times, it does not mean everyone knows about light transmittance through a riflesope. CF if you do most of your scope work on high powers like 7 or 8 or higher and only if you are young. then you will need a large objective like your're  thinking. I don't know how old you are, but our irises do not get past 5 mm openings after about 40 years of age. 7mm if you're a pup. {before 40}. So a 20mm scope will transmit the same amount of useable light as that 50 mm at around 3 power. If you're older like myself, Then you can't use much more than a 36mm scope. I rarely go over 6 power. 36 divided by 6 power = a 6 mm exit pupil. My eyes are lucky to open to 5. Anything more than that is like pouring water into a full glass. The rest of the light coming through is wasted and unusable. This is why everyone is telling you to go to a smaller size objective. Just divide what power setting your scope is on the most or where it will max out for your hunting needs into an objective size. Depending on your age, if it comes out to 5,6 or 7 thats all the objective size you need. 

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Originally posted by arro222 arro222 wrote:

Even if it has been discussed many times, it does not mean everyone knows about light transmittance through a riflesope. CF if you do most of your scope work on high powers like 7 or 8 or higher and only if you are young. then you will need a large objective like your're  thinking. I don't know how old you are, but our irises do not get past 5 mm openings after about 40 years of age. 7mm if you're a pup. {before 40}. So a 20mm scope will transmit the same amount of useable light as that 50 mm at around 3 power. If you're older like myself, Then you can't use much more than a 36mm scope. I rarely go over 6 power. 36 divided by 6 power = a 6 mm exit pupil. My eyes are lucky to open to 5. Anything more than that is like pouring water into a full glass. The rest of the light coming through is wasted and unusable. This is why everyone is telling you to go to a smaller size objective. Just divide what power setting your scope is on the most or where it will max out for your hunting needs into an objective size. Depending on your age, if it comes out to 5,6 or 7 thats all the objective size you need. 

 

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I'm 23.  I'm willing to spend the extra 20 bucks unless there is a reason I should not. Thanks for all the info!
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Go for the 50mm.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redneckbmxer24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/17/2004 at 20:40

remember, larger objective = higher rings = center of scope being higher off the rifle = a bad cheek weld (most of the time) but do what you want, i will stay with my smaller objectives, and have the same preformance... hey, if you dont mind spending money, why not go for the swaro A-line???

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/17/2004 at 21:40
I'm with Cory all the way on this one. If you want to give up the farm, then as Cory stated, go with the Swarovski 3-10x42 w/ the TDS reticle.If not go with the Zeiss with the 44mm objective.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cheaptrick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/18/2004 at 04:43

Conquest w/ 44mm objective. It's all the scope you will ever need deer hunting.

 

The Nikon Gold is a terrific scope too though.

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If your setup can handle a 50mm, go for it, especially if you hunt in SC. I don't think of too much light as a problem. I'm using a Nikon Gold 2.5-10x56(#4 reticle) and a Kahles 3-12x56 and don't feel overscoped because the rifles balance well. I also use a Conquest 3-9x40 on a 760 carbine and it's very nice. I would recommend the Conquest in 50mm if that's your preference and it works on your rifle. Good luck.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carolinaflats Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/25/2004 at 21:02
Well I went with the recommendations from you guys and have a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 on the way. Found one for 418.00 so for the price and figured the 44mm would do after what I'd read.  Took the new Winchester Model 70 Coyote in 25WSSM to the range this afternoon with a temporary scope mounted (Bushnell Sportview 3-9x38) that my dad has had for years. The gun shoots really well with the Bushnell so I can't wait to get the Zeiss mounted!  Thanks again for all the good advice and Merry Christmas to all!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redneckbmxer24 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/26/2004 at 14:28

why not buy it from SWFA??? good choice with the objective size BTW.

 

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I was planning on buying from SWFA but the scope I found was on ebay and from what I read it seemed like the price guarantee did not apply to auctioned items. 

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Just my opinion, but I've bought and sold quite a few items on ebay as I'm sure many here have.....I have sincerely come to appreciate spending a little more (of course there's a limit) to buy direct from a company like SWFA and know 100% for sure that they will make sure I'm satisfied.

 

 

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I agree with you, but I'm a little biased.

 

We sell on eBay too and hear a lot of horror stories from customers that got ripped off.  Most common complaints involve people never getting their product, product not having a U.S. warranty or product being damaged or broken. Counterfeit optics got so bad on eBay that Swarovski actually did a press release concerning the problem.  We had to serve an eBay seller with papers to stop him from selling counterfeit Super Sniper scopes on eBay.  Bushnell / Tasco had to do the same thing to a company passing "off brand" scopes on eBay as Bushnell or Tasco.

 

The easiest way to keep from being taken is to make sure that whoever you buy from is an AUTHORIZED dealer for whatever brand you are looking to buy.  A simple phone call or e-mail to the manufacturer will tell you.

 

The second easiest way is to just buy it from us.   We have excellent customer service, ship the same day you order, stock just about every ring and base made, provide you with information via RifleScopes.com and OPTICSTALK.com all with a smile.

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I've bought two Zeiss Conquest on ebay with no problems....everything went as advertised.  No offense, but this is the other side of the story.
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another thing to remember, never bid on a item where the seller has no feedback, or is mis advertising the product... perfect example would be the auction for a 2004 polaris 700 twin that they had won in a coca cola promotion, and was for sale for $2300, and the pictured 4wheeler was a 2003 600 twin......DUUHHHHH....... and they were in the bahamas. "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is"

 

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unsure why bias against Aetec scopes; 2.8x10 on my win 270 shoots 1  1/8 groups. hunted wyoming oct 04 and found it to be a great scope..sometimes the extra $$ just pays for bigger adds.......what do you think?
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I love the AETEC, especially the original made in Japan AETECs.  Can't beat them in that price range.
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Your comment on the ballistics of your 25WSM couldn't be closer to the truth. All of the WSM's are no hotter than their predecesores, they are just avalible in shorter actions..........
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