XOTIC Scope

Here is what info  I have regarding the Weaver Tactical:

 

4-20 = 50MOA

3-15 = 60MOA

 

These mildot scopes are graduated in MOA and the detents are 1/4 MOA. Detent clicks on the adjustment turrets are .25MOA (this  0.26 inches so very nearly 1/4" at 100 yards)

 

Eye relief is 4in at 4x and 3.9in at 20x

 

Parallax is 25 yards to infinity.

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 My assessment is this:

 

Weaver made the same mistake that Trijicon did with the TR23 series when they designed these scopes, of not putting sufficient internal adjustment in them to get a

.308

bullet to a thousand yards while having a 100 yd zero. Take for example a 4.5-14x50 Leupold Mk4 has 100 moa of internal adjustment or an Nightforce 3.5-15x50 has  110 moa of elevation.  I realize that most police sniper work is 60 to 120 yds but if you are interested in the military market or the civilian tactical competition/ target shooting market--guys who understand trajectory are looking for more internal adjustment.  While you can use a plus 20 or plus 30 moa Badger Ordnance base on some rifles you still may not have the adjustment to be able to dial in correction from 100 yd to 1000 yd which is what  guys expect in that type of optic.

With a scope that has 50 moa of internal adjustment if a flat base was used that's half above and half below, in theory, so you have 25moa up to work with.

With a 100 yd zero it should take about 26.7moa to get to 800 yds, 33moa to get to 900yds and 40moa to get to 1000 yds shooting  GM308M2  Federal Gold Medal Match 175 SMK at 2600 fps. By using a plus 20 moa Badger base it becomes almost workable if you are lucky enough to be able to sight a 100 yd zero with that 5moa that is left of downward travel,  but a plus 30 moa base throws you 5moa over at 100 in either case working at the outer limits of adjustment for very long is not a good plan. If on the other hand you designed the scope with 70moa or more of internal adjustment none of this would be an issue and the 3-15 model with 60moa is very close to having enough adjustment - not a lot to spare but well worth a try as the price is a good value.  The eye relief sounds very generous as does parallax.

Future generations should also consider using 1/10 mil clicks rather than 1/4 moa clicks. Not sure if these are FFP or second focal plane, but the trend is toward FFP  mil / mil in tactical scopes.  An upgrade to the mil dot reticle would be an improvement also.

 

ATK advises:

 

 

 

 

 

From my experience 65 MOA is the minimum you need to reach 1000 yards and have a 100 yard zero with a .308.  A 20 MOA base is needed like you said.  Things do not always work out evenly with the way the scope is mounted so in some cases a little less may still work. 

Some of these companies really are screwing the pooch with these scopes, really makes  you wonder why.

The Trijicon one made me laugh.  They build ACOGs with a reticle drop out to 800 yards for a .223.  Yet they build a precision rifle scope with only 50 MOA.  lol  WTF

Those would probably be a fantastic scope if they had 80 MOA instead

Yea I spoke with them over that and I just did the same at ATK on the Weavers actually both companies have taken that to heart and are in the process of designing greatly improved tactical scopes.  In a couple of years there will be some really really cool scopes come out. Or what I am really wondering about is like with cameras & digital cameras and video cameras when we are going to see the civilian version of the active video targeting scope.  I have seen a photo of Chinese soldiers with helment mounted video that feeds from a video - scope on their rifle.   We are behind the 8 ball on this stuff.  Just take a video camera out in very low light and turn it on you can see like its night vision.  All it takes is super imposing a reticle that is zeroed.  We have the technology but its not seen in the civilian market.  I know that my fifty thousand dollars worth of high end camera equipment turned to almost no value over night with the digital transition and I'm thinking video based rifle scopes are not far down the road likely with computer balistic programs built in. Think about that one Chris  the SUPER SNIPER VIDEO TARGETING SYSTEM with optional helment mounted view screen.  Just hold the rifle around the corner and shoot no need to expose yourself.

What about a Sightron S3 if you want more power .   I have gone over this stuff again and again looking for something that would work other than another Leupold Mk4 that is less expensive than a Nightforce.  What I finally did was order one of the 10x HD Super Snipers and also order a 20x Super Sniper.  I have had a 20x in the past and the only down side to it is in low light it will look rather grey because of the small exit eye pupil not letting much light through but same same with any other scope same power and same objective size. I really suggest you buy one of the 10x HD scopes before your are saying boy I wish I had done that while they still had some of the 200 scopes that are all there will ever be in the public sector. If you want to get out of all this for less money pick up one of the othe SS models and you are back in the price range of that Monarch but with 120 moa of adjustment and real tactical knobs  10x ,  16x  0r  20x  or spend a little more and get the variable which I wish I had a dozen of.

From what I've learned with 50MOA total adjustment, if you use 10MOA canted base or ring inserts you still have to use reticle hold offs  to reach 1,000 yards.  If you use 20MOA base or ring inserts you put your self right by the edge of the scopes limit and your adjustments might not work out so good.