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    Posted: February/07/2011 at 15:17
I am getting ready to spend a little money on a new scope. Thank God I gave too much money to Uncle Sam last year. I shoot a 308 winchester at paper and steel out to 600 yds hopefully farther in the near future. Right now I have a fixed ss 16, and have been pleased with it so far, but I am wanting to step up a little in glass quality. I do occasionally hunt, but I do have a lower powered scope to use if I feel 6 x at the lower end is too much. So please consider this primarily a target only scope.

My question is simply this. Is the glass good enough for the extra magnification or would I never use it past 16 x anyway. I realize the extra magnification is not needed for the distances I am currently shooting, but it is the same glass same size package. The cost difference is not that much ($50). I know some have tested the 4x16 I do not know if anyone has looked through the 6x24.
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Gonna hear mixed reviews on this. I had a standard viper in 6.5-20 and never used it past 15-16X and trade it to another memeber here for his standard 4-12 viper and haven't looked back yet.  However he uses the 6.5-20 on max power with good results where I didn't like that much. Could be I am a bitLoco
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+1 with Graham....4-12 covers it all,out to 1k.
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I have the 6.5-20 Viper and don't like it above 16x either.  Also the 4-16 PST has more elevation adjustment than the 6-24 so if you wanna reach way out, that will be important.
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I have a few scopes in 6-18 and 6-24.  Most of the time I use them in the 12 to 14 mag range.  I don't like 6x as a starting point.  I would suggest the 4-14 over the 6-24.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Also the 4-16 PST has more elevation adjustment than the 6-24 so if you wanna reach way out, that will be important.

Good point, esp. for a .308.

I too will vote for the 4-16. But then, you already know what's it's like shooting @ 16X. If that really feels like not enough and you've got that other scope, the 6-24 may well be the way to go.
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Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

My question is simply this. Is the glass good enough for the extra magnification or would I never use it past 16 x anyway.

I now have both a 4-16 and a 6-24 PST and should be able to shoot them sde by side this weekend so I should have some comparative observations for you soon.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

My question is simply this. Is the glass good enough for the extra magnification or would I never use it past 16 x anyway.

I now have both a 4-16 and a 6-24 PST and should be able to shoot them sde by side this weekend so I should have some comparative observations for you soon.

Jon Thank you so much.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

My question is simply this. Is the glass good enough for the extra magnification or would I never use it past 16 x anyway.

I now have both a 4-16 and a 6-24 PST and should be able to shoot them sde by side this weekend so I should have some comparative observations for you soon.



I was going to go order a 4-16 PST this weekend, but I'm going to wait for your review.Excellent

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The verdict is in:  Get the 6-24.  No contest. 

The glass is noticeably better, certainly good enough for full use of 24X.  I shot it on 24X the whole time.  You can see the target (and holes in it) much better, the reticle is a tad thinner and I found it simply much more enjoyable to use.

Of course for a pure hunting rifle, 4-16X is a better all around power range and I'd say go with that if you really need to be using this scope to hunt in the thick brush/timber.  But for target shooting short or long range, varmints or hunting in open country I like the 6-24 much better.

Keep in mind that's only an example of one (well, two of the 4-16's and one of the 6-24) so I can't guarantee all 6-24's will be this much better than the 4-16's optically.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

The verdict is in:  Get the 6-24.  No contest. 

The glass is noticeably better, certainly good enough for full use of 24X.  I shot it on 24X the whole time.  You can see the target (and holes in it) much better, the reticle is a tad thinner and I found it simply much more enjoyable to use.

Of course for a pure hunting rifle, 4-16X is a better all around power range and I'd say go with that if you really need to be using this scope to hunt in the thick brush/timber.  But for target shooting short or long range, varmints or hunting in open country I like the 6-24 much better.

Keep in mind that's only an example of one (well, two of the 4-16's and one of the 6-24) so I can't guarantee all 6-24's will be this much better than the 4-16's optically.

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Looked through one of these Saturday an must say it's pretty sweet.  Might be some to look at too.

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Order is placed for the 6x24 Thanks Jon A for the input.

Now to wait lol.


Edited by 308 Sav - February/18/2011 at 10:49
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Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

I am getting ready to spend a little money on a new scope. Thank God I gave too much money to Uncle Sam last year. I shoot a 308 winchester at paper and steel out to 600 yds hopefully farther in the near future. Right now I have a fixed ss 16, and have been pleased with it so far, but I am wanting to step up a little in glass quality. I do occasionally hunt, but I do have a lower powered scope to use if I feel 6 x at the lower end is too much. So please consider this primarily a target only scope.

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One thing to think about is if you are getting a FFP (First Focal Plane) or SFP (Second Focal Plane).  When opting for the SFP (which is what I choose) the Viper PST has stops for Mil-Dot calculations.  The mil-dots on the PST's work at max power (16 for a 4-16x50), so when you are at 8 magnification, you'll have to multiple by 2 to get the distance, 5.3x  mulitply by 3, and 4x multiply by for.  This is used when the mil dots are used for calculating distance.  It's more complicated than the FFP, in which the mil-dots remain constant at any magnification, but I prefer having a stand sized cross hair at any magnification and doing the math. 
 
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I like the FFP myself ranging is not that big of a deal but is nice,( I have a laser). The advantages I see are in wind holdoffs and in the fact they shrink down to a nice illuminated plex at low end. Also I like for a dot or crosshair to always cover the same amount of my target as far as thickness goes.
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Ive only seen the 4-16 model but the 16 x was quite useable clear and sharp.  I suspect you could do fine with either scope trust your instincts.

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I just ordered a 6-24 myself.   Now the wait. Hope it's not too long.
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Has anyone taken one of the PST scopes and shot it in the morning/evening while facing in the general direction of a sunrise or sunset?
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I've hunted with a 2-7x32 and 3-9x40 Viper in all conditions for a few years now and I've never expierenced any issues. Sunrise, sunset, and even night time use have never given me a problem. The 3-9 has been used on my M70 .300wsm and I have two 2-7's on a couple of .22's. The only thing with the 2-7's is their 100 yard parallax setting which isn't the most desirable for .22 calibers. In no way do I baby my scopes while in the field. For cold and wet conditions, we get quite a bit of snow here in Wisconsin and temperatures that often drop below 0 during the deer season. With the success I've had with the Viper line of scopes, I plan on keeping them around for a while.
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