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Rancid Coolaid ![]() Optics Jedi Master ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8412 |
You'll hate the reticle on an AR, especially an accurate one. On the muzzle loader, it should be fine, and the mil dot has the smallest aiming point in low light - it is the one saving grace of that reticle.
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
Are you saying the lit dot is too big?
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
Also hoping someone can answer the question on how easy the eye box is to get behind?
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probably ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: June/01/2016 Location: PA Status: Offline Points: 51 |
This was a very helpful post. If you were open to the idea of dropping 2500 on the leica magnus, would the trijicon still be a "close enough" runner up for serious consideration, or would the Leica just blow it's doors off in terms of counting those antler points and making shooting decisions in low light?
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supertool73 ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 10476 |
In my experience, you are not going to get a scope that blows another away when you reach certain price points. Trijicon are good, not excellent, but good. THe illumination system is excellent, so it makes up some for the good glass in low light. You may have a scope with excellent optics, but a sh*tty reticle design. I have a swaro z6 that was amazing in the optics department, but the reticle was to thin for low light, so it was worthless to me for early morning hunting. I sold it and bought a VX-6 with bold reticle and while the glass was not quite as good, it is more usable in low light for me. I then bought a VX5 with firedot and it is even better in low light.
Will a mangus blow away a trijicon or VX-6? Not likely, but I dare bet it is indeed a little better. But it is not going to be like you are going from a tasco to a Swaro z6. You may gain 5% better optics maybe a bit more, or maybe a bit less. But it is not going to be mind blowing. |
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saltydog235 ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: January/07/2013 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 111 |
I have a 5-20X50 BAC Amber on my Savage PC .308, Great low light optic. I’ve shot quite a few critters at the edge of darkness and beyond. I bought the 4-16X50 MOA reticle which is a mil-dot #4 and have it mounted on a Sako 85 Finnlite in .300wm. It’s very good when the sun goes down and pretty good on my 500yd range. It’s not as good as my S&B Stratos or my Leica ER but it’s better than my NF SHV or NXS when darkness comes. I have a few Leupold remaining but never hunt with them, the ones I have suck in low light.
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
Supertool how would you compare the glass in low light on the Accupoint and the VX5 HD? I am cconsidering the 3-15x44 with firedot also. Also which scope has a more forgiving eye box?
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
I'd be interested in hearing which scopes stacked up best to your Swaro bino's.
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supertool73 ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 10476 |
The only accupoint i have currently is a 1-4x. So comparing to my 2-10x vx5 is not really apples to apples. But i would say vx5 glass is slightly brighter. But again we are comapring a 24mm objective to a 42mm.
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
So if you could get the scope in question for $725 wpuld you jump on it?
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supertool73 ![]() Optics God ![]() ![]() Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 10476 |
Yes, I love my vx5
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
I meant the trijicom
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probably ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: June/01/2016 Location: PA Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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I'd be interested in hearing which scopes stacked up best to your Swaro bino's. [/QUOTE]
Tier 1: The zeiss diavari V 2-10x50, which is my primary optic for 15 years, was closest to the binocs for brightness and clarity. A new Meostar R2 2-12x50 was right there with it - surprising since the Meopta is cheaper, but the coatings are more modern and the reticle is not as heavy, possibly making the image seem brighter. On tier 2 was my kid's Zeiss diavari C T* 3-9x40, a big Kahles helia C 3-12x56, and a Swaro Habicht 6-24x50. Again, surprisingly, a newer Meopro hung in with them - it is cheaper but the decent glass and newer coatings seem to make it a very good scope. Some of these were slightly better or worse than others, but all seemed to be on roughly the same level. I did not have out my older Zeiss conquests this year, nor any of my many leupolds ...... beside the new vx3i 3.5-10x50, which was by far the worst of the bunch. Deer that I could clearly see with the binocs and the diavari c were nothing but a vague dark blob with the leupold. It was so bad in fact that if I had another few days, I would have tested it against a standard vx3 3.5-10x50 to see if the low light capability was actually worse. |
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probably ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: June/01/2016 Location: PA Status: Offline Points: 51 |
edit to that post: the diavari C is a 3-9x36 T* not a 40.
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
Doesn't suprise me on the meostar. I have 8x32 meostar HD binos and they are one of the best purchases I've ever made with hunting equiptment.
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
So i think I have narrowed it down to the accupoint 2.5-12.5x42, and a leupold vx5 hd in either 2-10x42 or 3-18x44. I like the eye relief and mag range on the trijicon best. I like the weight and smaller size on the leupolds better. Any advice on which would make the better scope on a muzzle loader for low light hunting would be appreciated. I can get any of the 3 scopes for under $800 so cost isnt a factor.
Also I've never owned a scope with the side paralax adjustment. Not sure if I want to deal with another thing to worry about adjusting. I believe the 3-15 vx5 is the only scope with parralax adjustment. Dont really understand if this is something of focusing the image or just removing shooting error. If I'm constantly going to have to mess with the nob to get a clear image at differnt distances I want nothing to do with it. |
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BigGameBalls ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: December/10/2010 Location: MN Status: Offline Points: 276 |
Can anyone tell me more about this reticle in real life. Is it as obnoxiously thick as it appears in the pictures? I want a really thick bold reticle I just don't want something way over the top. I know often these manufacture images of the reticle are not accurate or bigger than the real life. ![]() |
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Rancid Coolaid ![]() Optics Jedi Master ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8412 |
Parallax is a bit more complicated than target focus, and having it is a positive for semi-precision shooting and for longish range. Clear as mud, right? On the reticle, if it is the same as the mil dot reticle (minus the dots, of course), it is a thick reticle. The good thing is the fine aiming point in low light. And my experience (with the 5-20 mil dot, green center dot), that was the singular good thing about that reticle. Literally everything else I disliked enough to sell the scope.
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