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Chris Farris II
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:36 | |
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rustic
Optics Master Joined: September/30/2011 Status: Offline Points: 1461 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:45 | |
I does to someone(monte carlo stock or not) that had quad by-pass surgery less than a year before. |
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Chris Farris II
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:47 | |
Why not get a slightly larger caliber that would be far more efficent for big game and a heavier gun combined with a muzzle brake instead of using a round like the .204?
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billyburl2
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/08/2009 Location: Cottonwood, AZ Status: Offline Points: 4015 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:54 | |
Because it doesn't weigh 4.75 pounds...Damn ounces are killers! Fair chase...
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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dillon_h
TEAM SWFA - Staff Woody Joined: July/28/2011 Location: SWFA Status: Offline Points: 306 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:54 | |
.204 is a great round, not for deer though. Especially not @250 yds.
You're looking at about 4" of drop, throw in a 10 mph wind (a gentle breeze) and you are looking at about 6" of drift... and that's if it stays constant. Throw a 15 mph gust into the picture and you're looking at 9-10" of drift... easily moving POI well outside the already small kill zone for that size projectile.
He may have very well taken 3 mule deer with a .204 and he may be a very very good shot, but its not worth the risk of wounding an animal like that and having it run off. Because your luck will run out and it will be a bad situation sooner or later.
That one deer would ruin those three you have already harvested IMO.
What I really want to know is, what kind of glass is on that .204?
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rustic
Optics Master Joined: September/30/2011 Status: Offline Points: 1461 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 10:55 | |
The average western south dakota fall day. As you can see from the pic a two year old 180-190 pounds center mass shot ran 40-50 yards and fell over. A 3oo yrd drag give or take to the pickup I did all the drag'n. |
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Chris Farris II
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:01 | |
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supertool73
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:03 | |
You could go .223 and shoot the 70 grain barns triple shock. Still very little recoil and a whole lot more penetration and a proper bullet.
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:10 | |
That is the original place were this thread ran into the reeds. The ballistics are not all that different between the .204 and the .223 I personalty know a far amount of people that use a .223 for both whitetails and mule deer out here. I don't see were all of this is going with "you need such and such to shot this and that" I have read about some of the outfitters up in alaska will not let some their clients shot moose and bear with 30-06 anymore(too small)... that plain stupid in every sense. My uncle lived in alaska(worked for a utility supple company) for near 30 years that is all he used up there for sheep, goats, moose, bear, wolverines, etc. Like I said before it all about shot placement whether using a cannon or a .223/.204 bad shot placement with ether your going to be chasing your venison. |
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billyburl2
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/08/2009 Location: Cottonwood, AZ Status: Offline Points: 4015 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:15 | |
Ballistics aren't much different...Terminal effects of the bullets referred to are! I don't think there are any penetrating bullets even offered for a 20 cal...Because it is a groundhog rifle!
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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Chris Farris II
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:17 | |
The .204 doesn't come in a 70 grain bullet and I doubt anyone using a .223 to hunt deer use a 40 grain or smaller bullet. That pretty much makes this arguement worthless. Our entire point is that a .204 will explode upon impact and more than likely not make it to the vitals.
Edited to remove long list of cluttered quotes. Edited by Chris Farris II - January/31/2012 at 11:24 |
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:18 | |
That maybe so. But as I stated when this thread went in to the weeds there is a good reason he was shooting a .204 and NOT his .257 or .300 wby. Again, a .204 IS perfectly LEGAL in SD and worked just fine on the deer just like a .223 works just fine for a lot people in the west that being the original fork in this thread... a ultra light "mountain rifle" chambered in .223. |
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Chris Farris II
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:25 | |
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:26 | |
He bought a 110 savage at a gun show chambered in .204 and saw the ballistics were perfectly legal and that being a zero recoil set up. And a that time he had quad by-pass surgery less than 9 months before he was looking for the lowest recoil possible that was legal. With that surgery they split his chest right down the middle needless to say he was still somewhat tender. |
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:27 | |
If you read the thread it was not for me. |
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supertool73
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:28 | |
This is a pointless, but, in a 223 they make stronger bullets, they have thicker jackets that are made to penetrate. That is the difference. In .20 cal they do not.
Look at the .20 cal 40 grain vmax. It has a thin jacket that is made to explode not penetrate. The sectional density is .137, that is very low. Optimally a sectional density of .230ish would be best for medium sized game. Even that 70 grain barnes only has an SD of .199. But it has the advantage of being a stronger bullet built to penetrate. The ballistics very well may show the numbers to be legal. But the bullets are not a good choice, even the manufactures say that. Anyway no point in debating it more, ultimately he can shoot what he wants. |
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:38 | |
Well, his hunting days are most likely at their maybe a year or two more at the most. It was good for him to get out and do something he loved then and let his situation beat him. It worked out great as a family outing. I was only there when he shoot the buck not the does(somewhere around 250) pretty controlled shooting from the hood of the pick-up not overly windy on a tiny buck. He has hunted all his life so yes, he is as good shot as most anyone else who has hunted most of his life... I guess. Edited by rustic - January/31/2012 at 15:29 |
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rustic
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Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:40 | |
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billyburl2
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/08/2009 Location: Cottonwood, AZ Status: Offline Points: 4015 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:43 | |
Ummm this isn't your original post? Every other thread that you have posted in isn't about how much things weigh? Really?
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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3 Tuns
Optics Apprentice Joined: June/28/2011 Status: Offline Points: 60 |
Posted: January/31/2012 at 11:51 | |
I bought one of Melvin's rifles years ago and would recommend any variant to a real hunter that could handle holding a very light weight rifle steady, and could afford the steep (but reasonable) price tag. Very few hunters need to have a rifle this light, but if ounces are all that matter then Forbes is the guy.
As for the the rest of this topic - unethical stunts like shooting deer "center mass" at 250 yards with a varmit rifle may be possible, but is offensive at the best. It would be a shame for a Forbes rifle to be associated with this type of activity.
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