Varmint Rifle Project - need advice

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   Hi,
I am looking to customize a .308 Remigton 700 VLS. My intention is to change the factory OEM stock with a Richards Thumbhole Target Style. I can't decide on the scope, and there are so may options. I am looking to spend around $ 450 for a good scope, preferably with illuminated reticle. Any advices on brand and models I should consider? I am really picky and if necessary I can shell out some more dough for a good quality product that will aloow me to shoot paper at 100-1000 yards.
Thanks.

Scandar

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Scandar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/20/2004 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scandar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Varmint Rifle Project - need advice Posted: May/20/2004 at 23:04
	Hi, I am looking to customize a .308 Remigton 700 VLS. My intention is to change the factory OEM stock with a Richards Thumbhole Target Style. I can't decide on the scope, and there are so may options. I am looking to spend around $ 450 for a good scope, preferably with illuminated reticle. Any advices on brand and models I should consider? I am really picky and if necessary I can shell out some more dough for a good quality product that will aloow me to shoot paper at 100-1000 yards. Thanks. Scandar

SAKO 75 SS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Apprentice Joined: March/31/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote SAKO 75 SS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/21/2004 at 01:16
	The Schmidt&Bender Police Markman in either 3X12X50 or 4X16X50 would be an excellent scope for a custom setup that you mentioned. The Schmidt&Bender Police Marksman has a 34mm tube which translates to giving you plenty of elevation clicks out to 1000 yard for the .308 Win round. This scope is expensive but on a custom setup I would not go with anything less than the best. You will never want another scope for this setup for you will know you already have the best.

Chris Farris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Farris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/26/2004 at 09:31
	Leupold 8.5-25x50 Mark 4 LR/T Illuminated Mil Dot Reticle, M1 Target Knobs, Side Focus, Long Range, Matte Finish....$1129.95
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Scandar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/20/2004 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scandar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/29/2004 at 13:24
	Thank you all for your replies. Does anyone have any experience with Nikon Monarch UCC 6.5-20x44 AO Black Matte Illuminated Mildot Reticle Riflescope? I've found it with $619.99. Some of the features are: Monarch UCC Scope 6.5-20x44 AO Black 95% light transmission Nikon's famous super-high resolution lenses 100% Waterproof/Fogproof/Shockproof One piece main body tube construction Fully multicoated lenses for unsurpassed light transmission/contrast Nitrogen filled and O-ring sealed Lifetime full warranty I like the 95% light transmission and the lifetime full warranty. From my photo experience I know that the Nikon glass is excellent, so my only concern is the overall durability of the product. Is the tube diameter (1 in. for this particular scope) an important factor? Thanks.

ranburr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Master Joined: May/16/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1082	Post Options Post Reply Quote ranburr Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/29/2004 at 20:26
	I think the Nikon would be a great choice for you. The Monarch lines are every bit the equal of comparable Leupolds, maybe even better in some cases. I have not used this particular scope, but the Monarchs that I have used have been very good for the money. The suggested Leupold is another good option but kind of pricey and I don't care for mildots on hunting scopes. I personally think that the Schmidt & Bender would be a whole lot of overkill for your project (not to mention cost). ranburr Edited by ranburr

SAKO 75 SS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Apprentice Joined: March/31/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 37	Post Options Post Reply Quote SAKO 75 SS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/30/2004 at 21:43
	The 1 inch tube will definitely be an important factor if you plan on shooting targets past 500 yards. You are going to need a 30mm tube to have enough elevation adjustment to get you out to 1000 yards. As mentioned before the scope you buy does not have to be a S&B, but I would go with a very high quality scope shooting at long range targets.

Chris Farris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Farris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June/02/2004 at 14:56
	Don't forget our 110% price protection policy!! The company you referr to (I could tell by the image tag) has yet to update their prices to the mandated minimum advertised price that Nikon dictates. We will never be undersold.
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Scandar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/20/2004 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scandar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June/03/2004 at 23:42
	Chris, You have gained another customer . I've learned my lesson (fortunately not the hard way) to buy gear from trusted vendors. I am still trying to make up my mind about the scope. This forum is great and for a newbie it is an excellent resource.

ntackett Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Apprentice Joined: February/27/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote ntackett Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June/26/2004 at 07:08
	If the leupold varmint ret was lit, I would say go that way,would have bought one myself but opted for the 54922 fine duplex lit. Norm

ConradCA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/24/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote ConradCA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July/02/2004 at 00:01
	How about the new leupold mark 4s 30mm body, sidefocus, illuminated retical and 8.5-25 magnification ? http://www.riflescopes.com/products/LEU56090/leupold_mark_4_lr_t_8.5-25x50.htm With M3 turrets you can get a cam for a 308! Edited by ConradCA

Chris Farris Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List TEAM SWFA - Admin swfa.com Joined: October/01/2003 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 8024	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Farris Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July/02/2004 at 11:08
	The highest magnification you can get the M3 from Leupold is 10x. Either the 3.5-10 or the straight 10x.
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ConradCA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: May/24/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote ConradCA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July/03/2004 at 15:18
	Check out this link for list of Leupolds with M1 or M3 turrets: http://www.leupold.com/products/tactical_products/Mark_4_8_5-25x50mm_LRT_M1.htm

Dale Clifford Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Jedi Knight Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dale Clifford Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July/05/2004 at 00:10
	You didn't mention the size of the target. This defines the reticle subtension. If you are shooting at an 18 inch chest, Springfields 3rd generation 4X14 works very well on my Rem 308 laminated stock shooting sub 1" with handloads at 100 and calibrated for correct drop 2650 fps with scope, using the scopes 1000 yd cross hair, puts it right on. If the target is smaller, use 1/8" fine cross hairs, If you are shooting for groups at this range (or any) use an aiming device trick that contrasts when you are OFF target like the bench rest folks do. Like a dot on a square. Regardless of this, unless your reloading skills are up to snuff the advantages of high powered optics goes wasted. Your cone of fire increases as range increases thus a 2 in group at 100 yards is a 10 inch miss at 1000 even if the scope has been targeted correctly.