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How are the Hensoldt Fero 16 8X30s?  We see them on ebay all the time.  I understand that they are, like, impossible to get into for cleaning...I was wondering if they are a good binocular even if they are 20-30 years old and used.




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Originally posted by Son of Ed Son of Ed wrote:

How are the Hensoldt Fero 16 8X30s?  We see them on ebay all the time.  I understand that they are, like, impossible to get into for cleaning...I was wondering if they are a good binocular even if they are 20-30 years old and used.

Sometimes there are some examples of poorly repaired binoculars where the binocular was literally glued back together.  This is particularly true of the immediate post WW II era.  Things were a mess and anything that might be sold was dug from rubble and "fixed".  This has obviously led to some "tales".  Some true and some not.  There is nothing inherent in the design of any of those German 8x30 that preclude them being taken apart for servicing.

The Hensoldt should be a pretty decent binocular.  Holger Merlitz points out the early 1950's makrolon plastic body was prone to irreversible damage.

http://www.holgermerlitz.de/edf7x40.html
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Here is a pair of 10x50's that I've had sense the early 70's I'm pretty sure they came from Sears & Roebuck.The fov seems to be pretty narrow compared to the newer stuff. The glass is surprising good!




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They may have come from Sears, but Hulda is not the Sears brand binocular name, that is Discovery.  You are right in that they have a narrow fov.  The angular 5* fov is only an apparent fov of 50*.  Typically an afov of 60* is considered wide field.  Those old porros do have some pretty impressive images.

The JB-149 indicates the binocular was built by   Urawa Kogaku Seiki Seisakujo Co. Ltd.

The JE 28 indicates the body was supplied by  Fuji Seinñtsukiki Seisakujo Inc

Talk about a couple of mouthfuls!  This is the first time I have seen either of those two names show up on a binocular...which means very little Big Smile




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Thanks for the information on these Steve.    
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I couldn't resist any longer.  I ordered a Russian Baigish 8X30 binocular from some outfit in China.  Manufactured by KOMZ in Kazan, Russia.  I will let you know how they are when they arrive.    





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Chinese duplicity Ed, they say Made in Russia, but they are not Smile.  However they are probably pretty decent.  I'm interested in seeing what you have to say about how well they perform.
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I have some Russian 8X30s.  They are sharp enough but they are kind of dim and have a strong color bias.
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$39 plus $2 postage   Bucky
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I think mine were around there, but it took a long time to get them shipped from Europe.
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Some of the true Russian KOMZ or Bagaish porros seem to be decent from what I have seen posted elsewhere.  There was a discussion, Bird Forum I think, in several places where the Chinese Made in Russia knock offs came up.
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The Chinese knock-offs look slightly different and don't have central focusing, and don't have enough serial numbers....I hope these are genuine...
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I got my Baigish binoculars today!!!  Big Grin  They look good to me!!  





I saw one advertiser on ebay who actually claimed that the binoculars were not GENUINE BAIGISH!!  He wanted $59 plus postage.  His photos were different from the ones I got!  His binoculars had the writing on the opposite prisms!  The serial number only had seven digits!  My binocular has got an 8-digit serial number and BAK 4 prisms!  

I got some instructions in....Russian!!  BAK 4 prisms...I can see that by holding the binos at arms length and see a circular exit pupil.   

Anyway, they are exceedingly clear.  I guess about a 60% sweet spot.  No CA that I can find.....

What the Hell....for $41 !!!   Buy one!!!    



http://www.ebay.com/itm/181112818283?_trksid=p2055120.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT












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UPDATE:  Yesterday I was pretty exhausted after a very busy two days.  Now, I am a little more awake. 

These Baigish binoculars have a slight rose color coating on the lenses.  Very cool 3D effect.  I don't see any rolling ball effect.  150M/1000 yds.  ( still trying to figure that out in feet....450 feet? )  

They are very lightweight.  The little strap-holder slots are too small to put regular skinny straps through them....I guess I'll put some rawhide through there and tie a knot and make a loop, so I can connect my binocular strap to these guys.  

The above photos are from the ebay ad that I ordered from.  That's what I got.  Cardboard box with polar bears, little black zippy bag,  a plastic rain cover for the oculars,  and a chintsy little strap that resembles Bret Maverick's string tie.  

But, for the price, I am tickled with my new toy!  ( If the lenses fall out tomorrow, I will not be happy! )  


 

  
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Welp....there are a couple of Swift Audubons on the ebay website this week....they both look clean as new!  Probably 45 years old.  Look gorgeous.  How are these rated compared to today's stuff?  What would be a sensible value on these fellers?  We're looking at about $11 postage....













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Ed,

Those things are excellent, even superb by today's standards no less.  They are heavy as the dickens and you won't be packing them a long ways.

They look to be the type 2 b made between 1980-84.  They sold for about $205 in those days.  I think Hiyoshi made those for Swift.  Their weight is a bit over 38.0 oz.

Those should have a tripod adapter on the right barrel and not on the end of the hinge as is typical today.

There is a superb historical review of the Swift here on Bird forum:
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=42944

Look to post 15.

They are truly a superb classic binocular.  Just their size and lack of waterproofing is about the only ding.

As to value, they can be wonky.  I'd say $150-200 tops, but you never know, I snagged a jewel for $20, so you never know.



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Yep....both binocs from both ebay sales have the tripod screw under the barrel.  Amazingly, both binoculars are about the exact same condition---almost perfect!

Maybe I should spring for one of them!  




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Curious to know if you did you end up getting a Swift Audubon 8.5 x 44?

If yes let us know about it...


I bought one off ebay in April and have been very pleased with it!
Paid 68.00 + 12.75 shipping so not too terribly expensive.

- Wide FOV: 420ft @ 1000 yds
- clear optics; these BaK4 prism binoculars were neoprene gasket sealed to keep internal optics clean (weather resistant but not waterproof)     
- good control of CA, good sharp resolution, if just a little soft at the very edges. Impressive for their era - they were made in 1961


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No....I chickened out...and I believe the End Date of the auction was going to be while I was at work....

Those two went for something like $128 and $158 plus postage...

I just couldn't get serious about it after thinking about all the other things I need to do.  Whatever
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If you are still interested, there is a Mark II Swift Audubon 8.5 x 44 bino on ebay right now

It's a "Buy it Now" - ebay item # 251539658974 - price is 130.11 + shipping
it's in Great Britain

Has orig leather case + all lens caps, looks to be in very good condition, better condition and newer model than the one I bought in April

closes on 23 June so you have time   
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I prefer Porro prism binoculars especially those made in Japan. (i.e. Minox BD 10x44 BP) 8>)
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If you are still interested in a Swift Audubon

There is a 1965 Swift Audubon model 804 listed ebay right now as an
auction:
- current bid: 31.00
- listing ends on 20 July '14 at 7:32 AM (Pacific Time = 10:32 AM Eastern Time)
- eBay item number: 151356080989
- link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151356080989?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Originally posted by Son of Ed Son of Ed wrote:

No....I chickened out...and I believe the End Date of the auction was going to be while I was at work....

Those two went for something like $128 and $158 plus postage...

I just couldn't get serious about it after thinking about all the other things I need to do.  Whatever
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That bino went for a lot of money at the end.  
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Hi guys - I'm new to this forum which I found in my search for information. I'm very happy to meet a bunch of people who retain a love of old porros.

I could do with some help. I've collected for many years but stumbled on a pair of Japanese porros in a junk shop a few days ago. No case, no lens caps and looking very scruffy was a pair of Hitomi 8x30s, priced @ $10. 

I'd never heard of them but the right marks were visible, they didn't look abused and the interiors seemed clean enough so I bought 'em.

Fortunately all they wanted was a little external TLC. Moving parts were a bit tight but easily fixed and the insides were gleaming - clean as whistle & straight out of the factory. Not a trace of dust, fungus or lens film so no disassembly needed.

But the real good news was the vision - just stunning. 

I have a regular set of binocular test points ranging from a 20 foot distant bird table through a 10 mile distant TV mast and I compare results against a standard table of marks set by a pair of Zeiss 10x50. The Hitomi scored brilliantly in all respects. Bright and sharp as a pin, excellent focus and a joy to use. They even pick up the TV mast guy ropes and that is some result for an 8x30.

So these have me baffled. If they are so good - and believe me, they are -  how come nobody seems to have heard of Hitomi? Was there a name change? was it a test run? or have I just been plumb lucky?

The manufacturers marks are JB230 and JE6. 

Left plate - HITOMI   Coated Optics     plus a circle within  triangle design containing letters HOC.

Right plate - 8x30   Field 7.5   No. 65022

I would guess early '50s(?) with a standard finish for the type/period and no rubber eye reliefs

Any info really welcomed. Only hope I'm posting in the right place!

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