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Post some pictures if you can please.  Show the relevant information you reference.  Additionally, and in particular, there should be one or two JL ###'s.  These will be either a J-B ### and a J-E ###.  They are usually located at the objective end of the central hinge, but sometimes appear elsewhere.

The list of Japanese manufacturers of that era ran into the hundreds.  They ranged from small mom and pop shops that made small numbers to remaining Japanese giants like Kamakura, Nikon and Kowa.  J-B indicates the maker of the binocular and the J-E indicates who made the housing.

There were several prominent types of Japanese design shared by many.  There were only one or two basic designs (from housing appearance anyway) in each objective size category.

I do not see the name Hitomi in any of the manufacturers on my list.  They may have been a seller of optics who had a company make binoculars for them, but I really don't know for sure.

It is not particularly unusual to come across a view that will amaze you, especially for 50 or so year old binoculars.  The Japanese got to the point where they had the porro figured out.
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Well I'm on my way to another collection.... Whacko
 
 
Now I've done it!!!!
 
You guys hooked me good!!!
 
Unfortunately I wear eyeglasses so the extreme Wide Angle models are out.
 
Given that what WA binos have SOME eye relief so the eyeglass wearer can use them?
 
I've already started canvasing eBay and my first buy is a:
 
Sears 7X50mm Binoculars Model 473.25130 delivered for $15.80 Shocked
 
It looks prestine!
 
next a rangemaster then a couple of Jena(s)....  i'm a glutton...
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Unfortunately I wear eyeglasses so the extreme Wide Angle models are out.
 
Given that what WA binos have SOME eye relief so the eyeglass wearer can use them?
 


Bud,

On most vintage Porro prism binoculars you can either pull off the rubber eyecups or unscrew the 
plastic or metal eyecups.  This will give you additional eye relief for your eyeglasses.
Then all you have to do is glue some rubber O-rings around the metal eyepiece housings
to keep from scratching your eyeglasses.

I did this DIY project to the eyecups/eyepieces of my vintage Nikon 9x35 7.3* Porro prism binocular,
I also did the same thing to my vintage SPECTRUM I 20X65 Porro prism.   
It may not work with every vintage Porro prism eyepiece housing.

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check this out... one of the guy on another thread pulled this out of his hat...
 
 
 
Maybe this will help.
 
 
 
Japanese Manufacturer's Codes for Optical Products.

Most Japanese binoculars from the 1960s and several decades later carry one
or two tiny marks on the body, about 2 mm in height, frequently adjacent to
the hinge axis on the rear, between the objectives.  'JB' and two or three
digits identifies the manufacturer of the finished binocular, and 'JE'
identifies the maker of the body.  The J symbol has a small horizontal line
extending from the middle of the J, and is explained in a pamphlet from the
Japan Binoculars Export Promotion Association, _'63 Binoculars From Japan_. 
"Combining the letters L and J (standing for Light Machinery of
Japan)......on the shoulder hinges or support strut of all approved
binoculars manufactured in Japan since November 1959."  The JBEPA had their
US office in the Japan Trade Center, 393 Fifth Ave, NY.
This list was obtained by Bill Beacom, who arranged for its translation, and
converted to electronic form by Fred Schwartzman.  A second, later, list
added further companies; the earlier list used 'Kogaku' and the later list
used 'Optical'.  No dates are available for either list.
We are looking for the manufacturers represented by the missing numbers 65,
66, and 209.
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Checkup On Quality -  JAPANESE BINOCULAR INSPECTION INSTITUTE

Binoculars from Japan are rigidly inspected to make sure that every
component is of top quality and that all mechanisms are in perfect working
order. All optical products that have passed these rigorous standards are
tagged “PASSED” by the Government’s Japan Telescopes Inspection Institute.

The JL mark:  Only those binocular and optical manufacturers meeting Japan’s
Government standards of inspection and quality may use the authorized JL
symbol.  This symbol accompanied by the letter “E” or “B” and the number of
the respective manufacturer is engraved on the objective-end hinge or on the
cover plate. The letter “E” designating the metalwork manufacturer is
engraved on the right and the letter “B” designating the manufacturer of the
finished product is on the left.

“PASSED” labels.  This oval silver paper label marked “JTII” certifies that
binoculars have complied with the export standards of the Japan Telescopes
Inspection Institute. It is usually found on the axle of the binoculars.
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The quality of the JB marked products are rechecked by the Institute for
items that are exported. This rigorous Government system insures that only
top quality binoculars are exported from Japan. Know your dealer. Your final
check on a quality pair of binoculars is your faith and reliance in your
dealer. A reputable dealer will stand behind his optical products.
=====================
Below are two lists, one in numeric order and the second in alphabetic
order.

JB 1     Toa Kogaku Co.Ltd., Tokyo
JB 2     Katsuma Kogaku Kikai Co.Ltd.
JB 3     Toei Kogaku Seisakujo Co.Ltd.
JB 4     Toei Kogaku Co. Ltd., Hatogaya-Shi
JB 5     Meiji Seiko Co. Ltd.
JB 6     Asahi Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd., Tokyo.
JB 7     Nippon Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 8     Fuji Sbashin Koki Co. Ltd.
JB 9     Sato Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 10     Toko Seiki Co. Ltd.
JB 11     Omiya Kogaku Kikai Seisalcujo, Tokyo
JB 12     Orora Kogaku Co. Ltd. - Aurora Kogaku Co. Ltd.
JB 14     Ueta Seiki Co. Ltd.
JB 15     Tokyo Oputikaru Co. Ltd.- Tokyo Optical Co. Ltd.
JB 16     Sankei Koki Seisakujo Inc.
JB 17     Otake Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd., Tokyo
JB 18     Tokyo Kogaku Kikai Co. Ltd.
JB 19     FujiKogeisha Co. Ltd.
JB 20     Mitsui Koki Seisakujo Co. Ltd.
JB 21     Kokisha Co. Ltd., Tokyo
JB 22     Itabashi Kogaku Kikai Seisakujo Inc.,Tokyo
JB 23     Ishii Kogaku Co. Ltd.,Yokohama
JB 24     Ichikawa Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.,Tokyo
JB 25     Zuiho Kogaku Seiki Co. Ltd., Tokyo
JB 26     Futaba Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 27     Sanyo Koki Co. Ltd.
JB 28     Fuji Seinñtsukiki Seisakujo. Inc.
JB 29     Meikosha Inc.
JB 30     Kofu Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 31     Muraki Koko Co. Ltd.
JB 32     Miyako Seiki Co. Ltd.
JB 33     Teito Koki Co. Ltd.
JB 34     Musashi Kogaku Co. Ltd.
JB 35     Raito Koki Seisakujo Co. Ltd. - Lite Koki Seisakujo Co. Ltd.
JB 36     Jiyama Seiko Co.
JB 37     Yoshinon Kogaku Kikai Co. Ltd.
JB 38     Nakabishi Kogaku Inc.
JB 39     Josei Koki Inc.
JB 40     Mutsu Koki Inc.
JB 41     Shinsei Kogaku Seiki Co. Ltd.
JB 42     Nippon Garasu Kogyo Co. Ltd. Takinokawa Syuchojo
JB 43     Tozaki Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 44     likura Kogaku Seisakujo Inc.
JB 45     Taisei Kogaku Kogyo Co; Ltd.
JB 45     Tamron Co., Ltd., Tokyo
JB 46     Otsuka Kogaku Co. Ltd., Tokyo
JB 47     Tokuhiro Koki Seisakusho Inc., Tokyo
JB 48     Kazusa Koki Seisakujo Inc.
JB 49     Sankyo Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 50     Tanaka Koki Seisakujo. Inc.
JB 51     Yoshimoto Kogaku Co. Ltd.
JB 52     Kanto Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 53     Inoue Koki Seisakujo Inc.
JB 54     Suzuki Kogaku Seiki Co. Ltd.
JB 55     Enshu Kogaku Seiki Co. Ltd.,Tokyo.
JB 56     Hiyoshi Kogaku Co. Ltd.
JB 57     Oji Kogaku Kikai Co. Ltd.
JB 58     Ryuko Seisakujo
JB 59     Mitsui Kogaku Seisakujo
JB 60     Akebono Optical, Tokyo
JB 60     Wakaba Koki Seisakujo Inc.
JB 61     Meiho Kogaku Seisakujo Inc.
JB 62     Oshiro Kogaku Co. Ltd.
JB 63     Ofuna Kogaku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
JB 64     Kobayashi Kogaku Scisakitjo. Inc.
JB 65    
JB 66    
JB 67     Esaka Kogaku
JB 68     Sono Kogaku Kikai Co. Ltd.
JB 69     Akebono Kogaku Kogyo Co
JB 70     Sugamo Kogaku Seisakujo
JB 71     Toho Koki Co. Ltd., Tokyo
JB 72     Rubina Koki Co. Ltd.
JB 73     Tsuchida Kogaku Seisakujo.
JB 74     Omori Sogo Kogaku Kogyo
JB 75     Seki Kogaku Kikai Co. Ltd.
JB 76     Izumi Seiki Seisakujo. Inc.
JB 77     Koronbia Kogaku Co. Ltd.  – Columbia Kogaku Co.
JB 78     Kuribayashi Kogaku Seisakujo
JB 79     Furukawa Kogaku Seisakujo
JB 80 
 
 
 
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Bud,

I already posted that info in the above opticstalk link. Wink


Depending upon just how W I D E you are interested in going, here's some that I use with eyeglasses.

Nikon 7x35  9.3* Wide Angle Gold Sentinel Porro prism (made in Japan) (eBay)
Unlike the later Action Series the Gold Sentinel is sharp out to the edges.

Bushnell 7x35  9.5* WA Sportview Porro prism (Division of Bausch & Lomb Japan)
This one was really an inexpensive model during its day; I bought it because it was brand new, (eBay).
Mostly good for keeping in a vehicle year round just to have anything on hand.

Montgomery Ward 7x35 11.8* Ultra Wide Angle Porro prism (made in Japan) Salvation Army Thrift Store.
Eventually this one will go off to Cory Suddarth for an internal clean & lube + adjustments. 

All of these have the fold down rubber eyecups which work well with eyeglasses. Thunbs Up
Beware of vintage plastic or metal eyecups, which will not allow you to get as close to the eyepiece lenses with your eyeglasses.


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That is widely downloaded from this site, one every Vintage porro fan should have bookmarked.  In my case I have the Japanese J-L page as a file on my desktop, my laptop, my tablet, and even my cellphone.  Never know when it will come in handy, and it comes in handy quite a bit.

http://www.europa.com/~telscope/binotele.htm

As to the query on the eye relief on the Bushnell Rangemaster, there is maybe 10 mm on the early Fuji model and a bit less than that on the last Tamron model.  The view is superb.
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Man I'm digging a hole fast!  Looks like several will receive Vintage Porros for Xmas... Smile
 
Alright, first a couple of questions...
 
1)  Are my eyes fooling me or isn't the later Sears Discoverers actually Rangemaster gen 3s?
 
 
 
2)  Is there a short list of the more desired manufacturers? form the JTII list.
 
 
Man this is totally addicting!!!  I have to restrain myself or the only one getting Xmas from me is me...Loco.
 
I decided to buy a couple of the lower end models to start then I'd concentrate on cherry picking once I have a better idea of what I want an where I want to go...
 
So far.....
 
1.  Sears 7X50mm Model 473.25130  $15.80
 
2. Tasco 7X35mm Fully coated model 318  like new $17.50
 
3.  Sears 6266 Discoverer 7X35 578'@1Kft   $49.90
 
4. B&L Legacy EWA Field 11º  #12-7356     AF4872  $49.75
 
And I chickened out at the end and lost a Jena 8X30 in good condition that ended up selling for $86... Whacko
 
 
I'm thinking the B&L is the best find of the four followed by the Discoverer...
 
How do you guys think I did for starters?
 
 
 
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More glass than eyes.   Excellent   That's a lot better than having glass eyes.
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

 
2)  Is there a short list of the more desired manufacturers? form the JTII list.
 

Tasco 7x35 Model 110  Porro 657' @ 1,000 yds.

Bushnell Rangemaster 7x35 Porro 10* made by Fujinon.



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I don't think the Sears Discoverer is quite the same as the Rangemaster.  At any rate they have different JB codes.  They are very good glass.

If you start buying a bunch of these, be prepared for some clunkers and some needed repairs.  What repair  ability I have gained is from necessity in doing some of the work myself.

My recommendations for top end vintage binoculars are, in no particular order...

Baush & Lomb Zephyr  Probably the last truly made in the USA binocular.  Outstanding view
Bushnell Rangemasters  Big and heavy for 7x35's but what a view'  Versions by Fuji and Tamron.
Swift Binoculars.  This is a brand that has been destroyed and is a pity.  Their Audubon series 8.5x44 are seriously good. So are the Sport King and Holiday.
Bushnell Custom are good
Jason Venture
Sears Discoverer, particularly some of the 11* EWA 7x50's

Just go slow, you'll pick up a lot along the way...binoculars and knowledge.  Have fun.  Be prepared for the odd clunker.  Ask me how I know Big Smile
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Should be an interesting trip....  I used to clean and adjust the fiber optic inspection microscopes at my last job. B&L and AOs.   at 200 to 600 magnification it's hard to get the field clean and clear of debris. 
 
I've never opened up a bino but I'm well acquainted with optics cleaning procedures for microscopes.  I have the spanners needed to open / unscrew lenses too.  It's been a few years....Hippie
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I just scarfed these up on ebay yesterday.  Sears 6243 Amber Coated 7 X 35s  with 578' FOV.    $26.56 plus postage.  Will be a Christmas gift to a son-in-law....Look to be hardly used....






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Here is another photo but these are not the ones I bought.  Mine do not have any numbers carved into them.....Eek









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I like old binoculars....but they're not waterproof.  So, after you buy a few for very reasonable prices, you should quit and go back to getting real, waterproof ones....


But, I have a Sears Discoverer 7 X 50  11*   needs a cleaning, but is still great

and a Manon 7 X 50  small degree FOV    mint

a Tasco 7 X 35 400 International  11*    578' FOV   mint

a Tasco 118   7 X 35  with 11*  mint condition but needs collimation (!)  Shocked    [ I paid $18 for them to my door...]

a Baigish ( Russian )  8 X 30  Brand New....   ( paid $41 to my door!! )  Bucky






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Thanks guys, I think I've successfully survived my plunge into it.
Now to be more prudent and selective.  I'm getting lost in all the research, I have to admit...Whacko
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Tell me about it....I want them all!
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ED I was a royal CH from bidding on that 6243 but everybody is saying its problematic for eyeglass wearers on all the EWAs...
 
Got it cheap! Excellent
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Did you see the Monkey Wards One with 609'@ 1K?!?!?
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Help again guys!  There is a
 Fujinon Poseidon MTR-SX 7x50 Bino on eBay
and I've heard the Fijinon name more than once associated with hi-end Binos.
 
Are these decent glass?  They have EP of 7.1mm and 12mm ER I need and ~400'@1K
They are listed for ~$50 with a few hours left.  If good ones, what price point limit? ?$150?
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I've got all Monkey Wards and Jason super wides on my Watch List as we speak.....


I will have one or two of them soon.....I will certainly win one or two of them...
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Help again guys!  There is a
 Fujinon Poseidon MTR-SX 7x50 Bino on eBay
and I've heard the Fijinon name more than once associated with hi-end Binos.
 
Are these decent glass?  They have EP of 7.1mm and 12mm ER I need and ~400'@1K
They are listed for ~$50 with a few hours left.  If good ones, what price point limit? ?$150?


Bidding varies on eBay every time a different seller advertises.

Retail price on the internet is just under $500.00 for a Fujinon 7x50 MTR-SX.

The Fujinon 7x50 that you are referring to is in reality a Fujinon FMTR-SX which has field flattners
in the eyepieces & is more expensive than the MTR-SX. 
You can tell by the yellow rings around the eyepieces & the yellow paint behind the tripod adapter
socket cap.


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I just got a pair of Montgomery Wards 7X35s delivered to the door.  They have 11.8* 620 Feet FOV.  These are like freaking Brand New!  Very nice for $34 plus ship.  

I also got a Jason Statesman 11.5* bino a couple of weeks ago.  It's clean and sharp...but not as snazzy as these Wards ones.  I only paid $17 I think for those Jasons....



 
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